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Windows 8.1 Update 2 Confirmed


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Would it be better if there were separate editions of Windows that catered to the different audiences, like a tablet version where the desktop fades away, a hybrid version with both the desktop and Metro/Store so that people can use both, and an Enterprise/Pro version where the primary focus is desktop productivity?
That would be a huge mess. The average user will look at the store shelf and be like "WTF?" lol It's simple for them to implement. All of these options should be given to the user at the Windows Setup screen when they finish installing Windows on their computer. Windows should automatically detect if the computer is a desktop, a non touch screen laptop, a hybrid or a tablet and configure the appropriate settings. Or give the consumer a custom option as well that they can change at anytime through Control Panel. Why is this not implemented, I don't know lol.
Fair enough, the point being that the user should have the option to choose and/or make Windows the way they want it, whether that's done at the time of purchase or through setup, configuration, etc. And I'm guessing that the RT version of Windows without desktop wouldn't even be something that you could buy in a box on the shelf, it's just something that would come with the tablet.
 

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#43
Would it be better if there were separate editions of Windows that catered to the different audiences, like a tablet version where the desktop fades away, a hybrid version with both the desktop and Metro/Store so that people can use both, and an Enterprise/Pro version where the primary focus is desktop productivity?
That would be a huge mess. The average user will look at the store shelf and be like "WTF?" lol It's simple for them to implement. All of these options should be given to the user at the Windows Setup screen when they finish installing Windows on their computer. Windows should automatically detect if the computer is a desktop, a non touch screen laptop, a hybrid or a tablet and configure the appropriate settings. Or give the consumer a custom option as well that they can change at anytime through Control Panel. Why is this not implemented, I don't know lol.
Fair enough, the point being that the user should have the option to choose and/or make Windows the way they want it, whether that's done at the time of purchase or through setup, configuration, etc. And I'm guessing that the RT version of Windows without desktop wouldn't even be something that you could buy in a box on the shelf, it's just something that would come with the tablet.
It makes sense if this is implemented when they release Windows 8.2. Windows RT only works for ARM devices so they should already come with a version of Windows. If there are updates to the OS, it should be done on the device itself. Currently Microsoft doesn't think of ARM tablet devices like an iPad. If they did, they could of made something like iTunes where you connect your Windows RT tablet and configure it from another Windows computer.

I am sure whatever start menu windows rolls out won't be as good as classic shell so i will stick with that
I'm using Start8 and I like it. Looks exactly like the Windows 7 start menu with a flat theme instead. I use the Windows 8 Start Screen like a dashboard. It shows me the weather, shows me if there are new email messages. So I hold the start button for like 2 seconds and the start screen appears. Then I press the start button once and my desktop appears again.
 

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They should just call this thing Windows 8.2 then 8.3..etc. Maybe there is no Windows 9 since Microsoft probably thinks Windows 8 is a major shift from traditional Windows. Similar to that of OS X. There is no OS 11 because there is no drastic shift from OS X.
The OS version only increments when the kernel version changes. 8.0 was 6.2 and 8.1 is 6.3. update 1 didn't affect the kernel version so the OS version stays at 8.1. If they change that now it will just add more confusion.
 

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They should just call this thing Windows 8.2 then 8.3..etc. Maybe there is no Windows 9 since Microsoft probably thinks Windows 8 is a major shift from traditional Windows. Similar to that of OS X. There is no OS 11 because there is no drastic shift from OS X.
The OS version only increments when the kernel version changes. 8.0 was 6.2 and 8.1 is 6.3. update 1 didn't affect the kernel version so the OS version stays at 8.1. If they change that now it will just add more confusion.
There lies the difference between Upgrade and Update. 8.1 was Upgrade and it got updated after, so it has to stay 8.1 no matter how many and what updates do.
 

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They should just call this thing Windows 8.2 then 8.3..etc. Maybe there is no Windows 9 since Microsoft probably thinks Windows 8 is a major shift from traditional Windows. Similar to that of OS X. There is no OS 11 because there is no drastic shift from OS X.
The OS version only increments when the kernel version changes. 8.0 was 6.2 and 8.1 is 6.3. update 1 didn't affect the kernel version so the OS version stays at 8.1. If they change that now it will just add more confusion.
There lies the difference between Upgrade and Update. 8.1 was Upgrade and it got updated after, so it has to stay 8.1 no matter how many and what updates do.
I couldn't have said it better myself. :thumb:
 

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I am sure whatever start menu windows rolls out won't be as good as classic shell so i will stick with that
Agree that CS is excellent++ (as are surely the other menu fixers), but will also be very interesting to see what MS comes up with.

Generally, am glad for these positive signals from MS (after finally -and forcefully- realizing the seriousness of what was going on, sacking some people + starting to turn the ship before it hit something big and heavy), am slowly gaining some hope in the future, seeing a road ahead with possibilities of choice\coexistence between the playmobile-os and the 'normal' pc.
 

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SoftPedia as a news source and "Start Menu coming back" as the headline didn't tip you off? I doubt there is a better example of a fake story
 

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#49
Would it be better if there were separate editions of Windows that catered to the different audiences, like a tablet version where the desktop fades away, a hybrid version with both the desktop and Metro/Store so that people can use both, and an Enterprise/Pro version where the primary focus is desktop productivity?
That would be a huge mess. The average user will look at the store shelf and be like "WTF?" lol It's simple for them to implement. All of these options should be given to the user at the Windows Setup screen when they finish installing Windows on their computer. Windows should automatically detect if the computer is a desktop, a non touch screen laptop, a hybrid or a tablet and configure the appropriate settings. Or give the consumer a custom option as well that they can change at anytime through Control Panel. Why is this not implemented, I don't know lol.
The average user is going to buy whatever operating system comes preloaded on the device.
 

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Being able to resize the Window Metro Apps run in, like you can for desktop programs, works for me. I'm not sure I want the new Start Menu though. Hopefully that's something you can turn off if you want.
I would like to get a look at what MS is planning for the new start before I judge it. Right now I'm using ClassicShell for my start and it's serving me well. Hopefully MS can out do that.
ClassicShell is really good, but the need of other software to enable a consagrated feature annoys me.

:)
 

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I was okay with the start screen and tiles. For awhile. Then just for something to do I tried out the different start button apps. I finally wound up paying $3 bucks for StartIsBack, just personal preference and it looked best to me.
 

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SoftPedia as a news source and "Start Menu coming back" as the headline didn't tip you off? I doubt there is a better example of a fake story
Hi there.

I'd trust Softpedia much more than ANYTHING at all coming from rubbish (but somehow well respected --goodness knows why) sources like GARTNER. Most of their predictions have turned out to be hopeless -- you'd get the same hit ratio by Random Guessing.

Start menu could by now be an irrelevance but what is BEYOND DOUBT is a need to continue with a DESKTOP friendly OS. Whether you add the other "Kiddy OS" phone interfaces too is a matter of choice for Ms - but as we've all seen - the death of the desktop (or Laptop) is grossly over exaggerated.

Incidentally to those "Store Lovers" -- if you have to totally re-install your OS - maybe on several computers how do you get your apps again from the store --do you have to do it separately for each machine --IT support will LOVE that if there's 100's of machines to be serviced !! and what happens if the apps you are using have been updated in the meanwhile and don't work or people don't like them as much as the previous version --that's a HUGE complaint on GOOGLE's Play store - apps updated sometimes don't work or people prefer the interface of the old one -- there's no "Versioning" mechanism to retrieve previous versions or mass download for offline / mass installs for corporate environments.

Seems a total mess for any seriously professional outfit. Not all computer users are gamers / individual hobbyists. (BTW not decrying any of these users either - they are just as much a valued part of "the community of users" as any other but their needs are generally very different to those using IT systems seriously in professional environments).

BTW the reference to the "Kiddy OS" has relevance -- have a look at my screenshot below. !!!! ("Back to the future or Groundhog Day").

I never actually liked the W7 type of menu -- occupies too much real estate -- preferred the XP small menu style --easy to do with custom toolbars -- and if you want you can also add METRO apps to your custom toolbar / pin to DESKTOP which is great for Multi monitors. I'm hoping that some Metro apps will eventually be useful -- stock tickers and the like so while there isn't much currently I'm sure they will improve.

Also show screenshot with Metro apps on custom toolbar. Look at my post (nr 10) in this thread which shows how to do it.
http://www.eightforums.com/general-...tive-layouts-start-bar-too-many-programs.html.

You don't need any reg fixes etc. The trick is to find the actual program running name (not easy !!) and wrap it in an explorer shell: command. The post explains the details on how to do it. You can pin to desktop too.


Cheers
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Most of this information is already mostly confirmed. They slated Update 2 for between approx August and October.
Update 2 will have the replaced Start Menu, but others have confirmed that Floating Apps will not come till Win9 in 2015.

Of course all this information can change, but I doubt the Floating Apps will be in Update 2.

The Start Menu as pictured is what I hope we will be getting.
With that and the Start Screen, this will be pretty sweet.
Information at your Finger Tips.
Along with Insteon, being able to access your most important Live Info from the start button is a step in the right direction.

Interactive Tiles (which would essentially be full blown Gadgets) I hope will also be a part of Win9.

Keep in mind that all of this started in Vista as Ultimate Editions.
Unfortunately it got started in a bit of a under-managed mess, and was quite unsecured.
This is the results of starting over and bringing forth a much better managed oversight of the App (Gadgets) system.

Despite all the hoopla and over-exaggerated problems, Win8 is shaping up to be a damn solid OS.

I can say this, cause I have 2 Desktops, a Laptop and 2 Surface Pros all running Win8.1 Update 1 and current on all Updates.
None of my systems have a single problem with running anything I throw at them.

Incidentally to those "Store Lovers" -- if you have to totally re-install your OS - maybe on several computers how do you get your apps again from the store --do you have to do it separately for each machine
Sort of, but it's not difficult at all to do, and this will also the beauty of App Unification.
When you go into the store and look at the App History, you can install them from there
But let's say I installed 5 App on one PC, and 10 on a different one, I can see the history from all PC's
When I install an App on one PC and go to a different one and login with the same name
The Tile will show on the Start Screen with a small down arrow, click it and it automatically installs.

Seriously, install Win8 and actually use it for a while. It's a very solid OS and getting better.

This is the issue I have with people that want to down talk Win8 who have never actually used it,
or used it for such a short period of time they have no clue what they are actually talking about.

As for Versioning, I will grant that could be an issue
But if the app is that big, the developer better make sure they know what they are doing.
But that's an App Dev issue, not an OS issue. And you are not required to Run only Apps, unless you buy RT,
if that's the case, don't complain when you didn't spend the money for something with more options.
You get what you pay for.
 

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Along with Insteon, being able to access your most important Live Info from the start button is a step in the right direction.
That sounds good !

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They better engage some serious companies to make Store Apps, floating or not doesn't matter until there's some really big stuff to use them on. Bunch of lousy games and smartphone like Apps are just not enough to get excited about.
 

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They better engage some serious companies to make Store Apps, floating or not doesn't matter until there's some really big stuff to use them on. Bunch of lousy games and smartphone like Apps are just not enough to get excited about.
True !

Some apps are really cool and I use them, but for my job involving GIS, CAD, simulations and geological modelling I'm gonna need the good old way for a long time.

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Would it be better if there were separate editions of Windows that catered to the different audiences, like a tablet version where the desktop fades away, a hybrid version with both the desktop and Metro/Store so that people can use both, and an Enterprise/Pro version where the primary focus is desktop productivity?
That would be a huge mess. The average user will look at the store shelf and be like "WTF?" lol It's simple for them to implement. All of these options should be given to the user at the Windows Setup screen when they finish installing Windows on their computer. Windows should automatically detect if the computer is a desktop, a non touch screen laptop, a hybrid or a tablet and configure the appropriate settings. Or give the consumer a custom option as well that they can change at anytime through Control Panel. Why is this not implemented, I don't know lol.
The average user is going to buy whatever operating system comes preloaded on the device.
:ditto: ++ If I was to ask one of the people I meet at our dog park what OS was on their PC, 9 out or 10 of them would just say "Windows". If then asked them what version their eye's would glaze over, or I'd get that deer in the head lights look. These are just your average non tech types that do Facebook and e-mail. All they know is its Windows. If they were to go and buy a new device they are more concerned with how much it costs etc than what version of Windows is on it. They don't know the difference anyway. Up until Windows 8.0 its all pretty much been the same for them, I click this to get this. They don't usually have their WTF moment until they get it home and turn it on for the first time. That's when I get the phone call, or the, you know about computers don't you, when I bump into them.
 

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SoftPedia as a news source and "Start Menu coming back" as the headline didn't tip you off? I doubt there is a better example of a fake story
This site is like the tabloid of tech news. Mushy stories and high-end ads. Press on the author’s “Tweet” at the end to see what you get.

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Really?!! Let’s get serious. And I dare not open this site on my phone for when I attempt to scroll with a touch screen something opens or pops up!
 

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I was okay with the start screen and tiles. For awhile. Then just for something to do I tried out the different start button apps. I finally wound up paying $3 bucks for StartIsBack, just personal preference and it looked best to me.
I have tried them all and StartIsBack is the best of the bunch IMO. It is the only one of the 3rd party start menu apps that looks and functions like it is native to the operating system. All of the rest of them look and work like add on software. The colors don't quite match.......the text is slightly different.....extra features, etc. I have it on 3 machines and it is the best $8 I ever spent.
 

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HippsieGypsie

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Most of this information is already mostly confirmed. They slated Update 2 for between approx August and October.
Update 2 will have the replaced Start Menu, but others have confirmed that Floating Apps will not come till Win9 in 2015.

Of course all this information can change, but I doubt the Floating Apps will be in Update 2.
Yes, it was confirmed at the last conference.

The Start Menu as pictured is what I hope we will be getting.
With that and the Start Screen, this will be pretty sweet.
Information at your Finger Tips.
Along with Insteon, being able to access your most important Live Info from the start button is a step in the right direction.

Interactive Tiles (which would essentially be full blown Gadgets) I hope will also be a part of Win9.
Don't care for the idea of the Start Menu return and I hope it's off by default. I have all the info I need on the Start Screen. That's the whole idea of the new system > Instant personal info upon boot or wake.

Keep in mind that all of this started in Vista as Ultimate Editions.
Unfortunately it got started in a bit of a under-managed mess, and was quite unsecured.
This is the results of starting over and bringing forth a much better managed oversight of the App (Gadgets) system.
Lots of changes in MS management and restructering for sure. I think they're smooth sailing for the most part now.

Despite all the hoopla and over-exaggerated problems, Win8 is shaping up to be a damn solid OS.

I can say this, cause I have 2 Desktops, a Laptop and 2 Surface Pros all running Win8.1 Update 1 and current on all Updates.
None of my systems have a single problem with running anything I throw at them.
Yes, nothing more than the usual OS problems as in the past. The usual 80-90% problems with drivers. The other 10-20% of we users' fault.

Incidentally to those "Store Lovers" -- if you have to totally re-install your OS - maybe on several computers how do you get your apps again from the store --do you have to do it separately for each machine
Sort of, but it's not difficult at all to do, and this will also the beauty of App Unification.
When you go into the store and look at the App History, you can install them from there
But let's say I installed 5 App on one PC, and 10 on a different one, I can see the history from all PC's
When I install an App on one PC and go to a different one and login with the same name
The Tile will show on the Start Screen with a small down arrow, click it and it automatically installs.
Don't forget side loading custom-tailored apps to fit a particular business. This never get's mentioned enough. e.g. A restaraunt's touch screen cash register with menu and prices. They've even introduced pads with menus on them to order one's meal straight from the table. How about a custom app for signing in at a professional's office such as a doctor, dentist, lawyer, etc. A teacher with a pad giving a lesson to students that all have one. Tests as well. The possibilities are endless.

Seriously, install Win8 and actually use it for a while. It's a very solid OS and getting better.

This is the issue I have with people that want to down talk Win8 who have never actually used it,
or used it for such a short period of time they have no clue what they are actually talking about.
I'm with you 100% here, especially not using it long enough. It may be coincidence with timing, but hey... Click here on the latest.

As for Versioning, I will grant that could be an issue
But if the app is that big, the developer better make sure they know what they are doing.
But that's an App Dev issue, not an OS issue. And you are not required to Run only Apps, unless you buy RT,
if that's the case, don't complain when you didn't spend the money for something with more options.
You get what you pay for.
The big hurdle will be to get companies and devs to write everything in the Modern/Metro. As soon as MS gets finished writing Office in it I think the Desktop app will not be included in 9. It will be an all walled-garden OS.
 

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