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Windows 7 deletes Windows 8 restore Points


glasskuter

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I've got thes ame problem as others are having regarding losing restore points. I have read extensively about possible fixes both in this forum and others but nothing works for me. The following is what I've done. Anything that anyone can suggest would be greatly appreciated.

1. Partitioned one hard drive in 2 partitions. Did fresh install of Windows 7 and fresh install of Windows 8 on partitions. Installed Windows 7 first. Dual boot worked as expected. Originally left Win8 as default boot OS

2. When I went to make restore point on Win8 found that system restore was turned off on that drive.
I turned on system restore only on the drive where Win8 resided, set amount ofsystem restore space to maximum, and successfully made a manual restore point.

3. Booted into Win7. Checked that system restore was turned on. It was and I had restore points present.

4. Booted back into Win8. System restore was turned off again and amount of restore space had been changed back to 0%.

I did the above steps several times with same result. System restore would work fine as long as I never booted into Windows 7 but once I did all restore points made in Win8 disappeared.

5. I then tried to apply the registry fix that was written back in the day of dual booting XP and Win7 where XP would delete Win7 restore points. (adding subkey of \DosDevices\D:with value of 1 to hklm\System\Mounted devices\ to Win7)
This didn't work either. Win8 restore points still disappeared as soon as I booted into Win7.


6. In Win7 I checked VSS service & found it to be set to “manual” which I changed to“automatic” and started the service. Made another restore point successfully.

7. Booted back into Win8 and BOOM-restore point I’d made earlier was gone and amount of system restore space had changed to 0%

8. Thought the fact that having Win8 as default might cause problem so made Win 7 default OS. Went through all steps again but restore points still get deleted.


I read about the Bitlocker feature but I really don’t know anything about it. Would enabling Bitlocker on Windows 8 solve this problem with Windows 7 deleting the restore points in Windows 8? Does anyone have any more suggestions that might help me? I really appreciate any help.

 

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Ray8

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You may have hit on a problem that I think I may be encountering. I have a dual boot and have gone through the system restore setup in Windows 8 and when I go to Windows 8, the system restore doesn't have any restore points. I haven't checked since I did a manual restore point, so will need to check.
 

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Please Let Me Know If you Find Fix

Hello, If you find a fix for this please share with me and I will do the same. I'm not giving up just yet. Although I have a complete system backup since I'm always tweaking, adding hardware, etc I would just feel more comfortable knowing system restore would work like it is supposed to. In many hours of searching the web I found this is a problem shared by many and Microsoft keeps skirting the issue. I guess that's because they don't want us to dual-boot. Thanks for responding.
 

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My solution is to have a complete disk image so that if one goes wheels up, I just change disks and create a new image.
 

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I just checked Windows 8 and the manual restore point that I created is gone. This is a worry. Is it because of the dual boot, or is System Restore effectively no longer working? System Restore is one of the most useful features of Windows 7 and if it no longer works in Windows 8, then that's a serious negative for me.
 

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Restore points can disappear for many reasons - this seems to be one of them. In clear - they are very unreliable. I suggest you make images. Those you can manage yourself and are not at the mercy of the systems. I use this free program. Works great and I have never had a problem in Windows 7 or Windows 8.
 

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I use paragon for all of my disk imaging (much better than Acronis in my view), but System Restore is simply such a useful feature for so many reasons. One of the best is when you try out a program and uninstall cannot remove everything that the program seeded throughout the PC. System restore usually clears the lot and a quick run with CCleaner, registry clean, fixes any persistent dust bunnies.
 

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Having full system backup is not really a solution

Yes, I agree the importance of having a complete backup, which I do. I use both Acronis True Image 11 and Easeus ToDo Free. But since installing Windows 8 I have as yet had to recover from it. With both programs I have performed my backups from within Windows 7 since according to what I have read neither version of the programs are compatible with Windows 8. In the event of catastrophe I'm not even sure I could recover my Windows 8 partition from within Windows 7 using the backups I've made with either of those programs. I have as yet to purchase True Image 13 which is supposed to be compatible with Win8. When I have time I plan to experiment using an extra hard drive just to see if what I am doing is really any protection at all for Win8. I am turned off by Paragon as a backup solution. I attempted to use it once and it left me high & dry. It's interface is not straight forward so I'm sure I did something wrong but the bad experience turned me away from ever using it again.
Both Acronis and Easeus interface is pretty straight forward and both have saved me many times in the past.

One question I have for you guys. When making my backups from within Win 7 I am backing up all my partitions. After a backup using Acronis I can browse each partition in the backup and everything seems to be there. But could I recover only one of the partitions from within the backup?
Should I be backing up each partition in separate backup instances-I mean backup Win7 in one backup run and then backup Win 8 in another run? This is kind of a gray area for me.

But backups do not take the place of system restore. Since this issue is not new I can't understand why someone, somewhere hasn't gotten to the root of the problem. I have read for hours across the net and it is not a new problem.


As a side note, since I made my original post regarding this, I installed Win8 alongside Win 7 in another newer HP laptop. The same issue is present in that dual boot install also. So, this is not caused by an issue with Malware
or a third party defragger as some have suggested. In reading some of the responses across the net from so-called Microsoft gurus all I found was their standard song and dance answers like running SFC,etc.....
Then when people post back that that didn't work the posts just go dead because no one follows through until a concrete solution is obtained. This issue is really frustrating me.
 

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Funny that, your experience is the complete opposite of mine, when it comes to Paragon vs Acronis. I've used two versions of Acronis and just wanted to scream.

I don't do backups, I do complete disk images. At certain points in time, when there's been a number of updates etc, I completely image my working drive, all partitions, onto my backup drive (actually two - HDDs are cheap), so that I have a know good backup at all times.

However, I use SyncToy (automatic backup) to backup all of my data from one partition in the OS drive to another separate HDD (again two drives). Also, just about everything I have on my PC is replicated on my tablet and I regularly copy data files through my network, from my PC to my tablet, so that I have a live version of important stuff when I'm out and about.
 

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Was informed that enabling Bitlocker in Win 8 was solution

Just to followup, I posted this problem on the Microsoft forum and received a response that enabling Bitlocker in Windows 8 solved this. I have as yet done this myself so I can't verify for sure that it works. I'm still trying to understand the pros and cons of having Bitlocker active. If you want to try it here's the MS article on how to enable Bitlocker Lock up your data using BitLocker Drive Encryption - Microsoft Windows
I'm going to sit and stew awhile about the fact this issue exists in the first place.:mad:
 

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Surely not? Encrypting entire drives just so that System Restore works has to be the most painful way of accessing what was once simple and easy.

Oh, my bad, it's not a problem, it's a feature.
 

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7 Hours of Working with MS-no fix

After multiple attempts I finally got someone with MS technical support. It ended up being escalated after trying many different things.I have cauliflower ear from being on the phone so long. My poor old computer has been restarted so many times it was on the verge of smoking.
Higher support finally said that it MIGHT work correctly if Windows 8 was installed in dual boot by using a full version install disk. Personally, I do not think so as common sense tells me that the system restore feature in an upgrade version of Win8 is exactly the same as system restore in a full version. When Win8 is done as a fresh install using a full version disk as opposed to a clean install using an upgrade iso (keeping no files and full re-format) the OS is exactly the same,so No, I do not think it will make any difference. I really didn't want to give up on resolving this issue but I'm not going out & buying the full version cd just to test their idea.

The technician told me that MS does not support dual boot. He said that support would have to come from te community, not MS. Actually I was kind of surprised he tried to give me any free support at all. He said that Win 8 should be the main operating system with Windows 7 set up as a virtual machine. He did say that using Bitlocker should resolve the issue but although my machine is only 2 years old it does not have TPM so I couldn't enable Bitlocker. Even if it did have TPM my opinion is that Bitlocker is not the solution. It just opens doors for more serious issues down the road. Since I have my system backed up in case of emergency I guess that , against my normal character, I will holler "uncle" and give up on this. Hopefully someone, somewhere can come up with a solution.

I was hoping to stick it out until a real solution was reached because I know so many people have this issue. Sorry, folks, I tried. :confused:
 

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Of course Windows 7 Ultimate (and Enterprise) share the ability to boot from VHD natively with Windows 8, so you do not need to suffer the overheads of running in a totally virtual environment, and all the resources on the physical machine can be made available to the booted OS for any of these Windows versions and editions.

The VHD of the alternative OS need not be mounted when the other OS is running, thus overwriting of the Restore points would be impossible. It also means that complicated partitioning would not be required. It would probably be best to have the system partition set up with Windows 8, and the partition holding the VHDs themselves could be separate allowing for easy snapshots of the all the VHDs to be made for backup purposes in the event of some snarl-up.
A set-up such as this does not mean that the Windows 8 and Windows 7 systems could not exchange data, or that one system could not be modified from the other, just that one Windows version could not automatically affect the integrity of the other.
It also seems possible that older and non-native-VHD-boot Windows versions can be made to run from VHDs as well:
Install and Boot Unsupported for Native Boot OS from VHD - Tutorials - reboot.pro
So the world is your oyster for Bare-metal multibooting systems now.
 
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The restore point created by Win8 refuses to allow the change of owner under security and will not allow the copy of a restore point; is there any way to override this problem?
 

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The restore point created by Win8 refuses to allow the change of owner under security and will not allow the copy of a restore point; is there any way to override this problem?
Make images, then you can do that.
 

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I keep a disk clone, but it would be much simpler if MS would fix the problem. The issue of coping a restore point is a shortcut, but they even blocked that. The more I use Win8, the more unhappier I become.
 

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I keep a disk clone, but it would be much simpler if MS would fix the problem. The issue of coping a restore point is a shortcut, but they even blocked that. The more I use Win8, the more unhappier I become.
Why don't you send a note to MS and ask for them to fix it.
 

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Do I have this straight: In a dual boot system (Win7 & Win8) the restore files are stored into the root of the first system installed; in the case of Win7 being installed first, the restore for Win8 is the "secondary" OS and Win7 controls the file and sees a Win8 file as hostile when it is booted?

If this is true, all MS has to do is change their algorithm and allow each operating system to store the file instead of having a master. MS spends too much time trying to copy Linux and taking the power from the user; if the user messes up, it is their problem - GIVE OUR POWER BACK.
 

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