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win8.1 breaks network with two wifi Access Points


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#1
Hi I have two wifi APs in the home and only one has an Internet connection. the other is to access the wired LAN.

Last week I updated from win8 to win8.1 and thought everything was going well until I started getting wired LAN dropouts.

I have traced it back to 8.1 handling connection to wifi APs. In win8, I was able to have "Connect automatically" for BOTH wifi adapters on this laptop. Now when I try to connect to the non-Internet AP, win8.1 announces (correctly) "Limited access" and that's what win8 did too. BUT, win8.1 waits a few seconds then drops the connection with a useless message, "help me solve connectin problems," where there is NO problem. A limited connection for the AP to the wired LAN is OK as it was in 8.

So now I am stuck with no home LAN access unless I drop the Internet AP and connect to the LAN AP.

Also, in the great wisdom of 8.1, because it is only a "limited" connection, it does not remember the Passphrase so I have to type it in every time. So much for progress.

Can anyone please suggest what to do to get past this behavior and have a "limited" connection as OK as it is with win8?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    win8.1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Acer V5
    CPU
    i5
    Memory
    6GB
    Hard Drives
    240GB Sandisk SSD
    Internet Speed
    4G/LTE

broe23

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#2
So basically you are using the computer to act as a Router to "Bridge" the connections between the two routers. Not a good way to do it.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Linux Mint 17.2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Toshiba Satellite C850D-st3nx1
    CPU
    AMD E1-1200 APU with Radeon (tm) HD Graphics 1.40 GHZ
    Memory
    12GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon™ HD 7310 Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LCD
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
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    Crucial M500 240GB SSD
    Mouse
    Logitech M525
    Internet Speed
    45/6 - ATT U-Verse
    Browser
    Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    None needed. It is Linux.
    Other Info
    Arris NVG589 Gateway; Router - Cisco RV320; Switch - Netgear GS108 8-Port Switch & Trendnet TEG-S50g 5-Port Switch; Access Points - Engenius ECB350, Trendnet TEW-638APB; NAS - Lenovo ix2-4; Printer - Brother HL-2280DW; Air Print Server - Lantronix XPrintServer

    A/V UPS - Tripp-Lite Smart 1500LCD 1500 Va/900 W.
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109
#3
HUH? Where do you get two routers? The wifi for the Internet is a tethered phone with unlimited 4G data so the phone is the router. The LAN is on a data switch for the wired distribution so no router there. The data switch has an AP plugged into one of the ports.

Note! It was all working well until win8.1, so some help would actually, er, um help.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    win8.1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Acer V5
    CPU
    i5
    Memory
    6GB
    Hard Drives
    240GB Sandisk SSD
    Internet Speed
    4G/LTE

broe23

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#4
HUH? Where do you get two routers? The wifi for the Internet is a tethered phone with unlimited 4G data so the phone is the router. The LAN is on a data switch for the wired distribution so no router there. The data switch has an AP plugged into one of the ports.

Note! It was all working well until win8.1, so some help would actually, er, um help.
I read 100% what you posted. You did not read what I posted. Go back and re-read my reply to your first post.

A lot of people state Access Point, but mean they have a router. You have two networks. Which means that you have two routers.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Linux Mint 17.2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Toshiba Satellite C850D-st3nx1
    CPU
    AMD E1-1200 APU with Radeon (tm) HD Graphics 1.40 GHZ
    Memory
    12GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon™ HD 7310 Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LCD
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    Crucial M500 240GB SSD
    Mouse
    Logitech M525
    Internet Speed
    45/6 - ATT U-Verse
    Browser
    Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    None needed. It is Linux.
    Other Info
    Arris NVG589 Gateway; Router - Cisco RV320; Switch - Netgear GS108 8-Port Switch & Trendnet TEG-S50g 5-Port Switch; Access Points - Engenius ECB350, Trendnet TEW-638APB; NAS - Lenovo ix2-4; Printer - Brother HL-2280DW; Air Print Server - Lantronix XPrintServer

    A/V UPS - Tripp-Lite Smart 1500LCD 1500 Va/900 W.

rhapdog

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#5
I have an issue very similar to CarvedDuck. However, my issue is that my networks are:
1. Dial-up Network (for internet access)
2. LAN (for home network and printer sharing)

The LAN does not in any way attempt to share the dial-up on my computer. There are 2 computers on the network, each use a dial-up connection separately.

My problem is this: When I am online, I lose access to the LAN and can no longer access the scanning functions of my all-in-one network printer. When I hang up, the print functions return to normal. I recently upgraded from Windows 7 to 8.1, and never had the issue until 8.1.

It seems that any time I attempt more than one network connection with 8.1, then the OS disables other connections leaving only one active at a time.

This is entirely unacceptable, and was wondering if anyone knew how to configure 8.1 to behave properly in these types of situations.

When I reset my connection to the router in order to handle printing/scanning, then suddenly my browser can't find any web pages, because it is now trying to go online through the LAN instead of the dial-up connection, and I have to close and restart my browser to get the connection back again. Very frustrating.

Any assistance?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Custom Built by me.
    CPU
    AMD A10-6800K OC'd to 4800MHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS F2A85-V PRO
    Memory
    16GB Corsair Vengeance 2133MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS Radeon HD 7770 1GB GDDR5
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    Dual Monitor Setup
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050 + 1920x1080
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    Kingston HyperX 120GB SSD
    Western Digital Green 2TB
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    Seagate Barracuda 320GB
    PSU
    630W Modular PSU
    Case
    Full Tower, Custom Built
    Cooling
    Cooler Master Seidon 120XL Liquid CPU Cooling
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    Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000
    Mouse
    Logitech M705 Wireless
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    Superbird
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#6
If you only have one wifi receiver then that is normal as it can't maintain two wifi connections. I have two receivers, one is the internal one that comes with the laptop and the other is a USB TP-link TL-WDN3900. I have my Internet connection on the internal wifi and the LAN on the TP-Link one.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    win8.1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Acer V5
    CPU
    i5
    Memory
    6GB
    Hard Drives
    240GB Sandisk SSD
    Internet Speed
    4G/LTE
#7
Windows 8 isn't breaking anything here, the problem is that the OP has his network set up in a very unconventional way which makes zero sense to me.

I see no logic here at all and neither does Windows 8.

Although there is a Group Policy that allows you to connect to two NIC's at start up I'm not so sure it will help in this case.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro WMC
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Home built
    CPU
    Q9650 @ 4.05 GHz
    Motherboard
    Gforce 780i SLI FTW
    Memory
    8GB Gskill DDR2 1200Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    GTX-480
    Sound Card
    Asus D2 Xonar
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HannsG
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    Gskill 120GB SSD
    PSU
    Thermal Take 1000watts
    Case
    Thermal Take Xtreme
    Cooling
    9 fans air cooled
    Keyboard
    G15 logitech
    Mouse
    G9 logitech
    Internet Speed
    50mbps