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Win 8 pc cant see xp machines on network


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I just got a Dell pc with windows 8. I already have a network (wired and wireless) with 3 xp machines and 2 printers & internet connection. I have connected the Win 8 pc to the network wirelessly and it browses the internet fine through the network router. I also managed to get it to print on the network printer. Therefore the connections are working. However one of the xp machines has most of the files we use on a shared drive. I want to be able to access these files on the Win 8 pc but I cant see any of the xp machines. The drive is shared as all 3 xp machines can access them.
Any ideas?
 

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aramil

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MS "This problem occurs if the Link-Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) Responder component is not installed on the Windows XP-based computer.

Network Map in Windows Vista & later makes network diagrams of the connections between network devices that can be used to troubleshoot connectivity problems. Network Map uses a discovery protocol called Link-Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) that queries other devices on the network to determine how the network is organized.

Windows Vista & later includes the software components that implement the LLTD protocol. For other devices on the network to be displayed on the map, they must enable a discovery protocol that can respond to the mapping requests from the Windows Vista & later-based computer."

For the XP Machines:
Download Link Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) Responder (KB922120) from Official Microsoft Download Center

Also Make sure windows 8 network & sharing is showing your network as a "Home" Or "work" network so it trusts the local zone
 

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I just got a Dell pc with windows 8. I already have a network (wired and wireless) with 3 xp machines and 2 printers & internet connection. I have connected the Win 8 pc to the network wirelessly and it browses the internet fine through the network router. I also managed to get it to print on the network printer. Therefore the connections are working. However one of the xp machines has most of the files we use on a shared drive. I want to be able to access these files on the Win 8 pc but I cant see any of the xp machines. The drive is shared as all 3 xp machines can access them.
Any ideas?
Windows 8 does not support the network mapping feature. :(

By default XP uses MSHOME as a workgroup name. Windows 8 uses WORKGROUP as the workgroup name. You will need to change the workgroup names to all be the same on all workgroup machines in order for those machines to see each other and share files.

You will also need to turn on, network discovery and file and folder sharing in Windows 8 advanced sharing settings.

It's also required that you use the same user name and password between the Windows 8 and XP machines otherwise you won't have access. On the Win8 machine, you should be setting the Public folders to share with Everyone, then put the folders you want to share into the Public folders "that's what they are there for". Also be sure that the C:>Users folder is shared with Everyone on the Windows 8 machine or sharing will not work at all.

You will also need to set up the usual sharing permissions to allow the different levels of file access.

These links should help. :)

Workgroup Name - View and Change - Windows 7 Forums

Share Files and Printers between Windows 7 and XP - How-To Geek
 
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Hi guys
I've been following many threads and after finding no answer decided to put my issue here.
the problem is that I have 3 pcs at home and everyone works on different system ( xp, 7, 8). So: xp and 7 can see each other (workgroup), 7 and 8 as well (both: workgroup and homegroup), 8 and xp CAN NOT.
I've made all required settings (including instaling lltd) mentioned here and in other threads and forums with no effect.
any ideas please?
 

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Hi mattfly. Try your Firewall to make sure it is being seen. Then ping the xp computers.
Also please next time start a new thread!
 

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Hi, thanks for that. actually i've tried all of this stuff (fw-ok, ping-ok) and much more, nothing works for me. considering new thread. thanks again tarka
 

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thanks chev, i've just updated xp (automatic updates), allowed rd tcp-in but still nothing. i think my win8 causes problem because all other configs work fine.
 

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thanks chev, i've just updated xp (automatic updates), allowed rd tcp-in but still nothing. i think my win8 causes problem because all other configs work fine.
On the XP machine, it's usually required that you set up a standard User account with the same User name and password that the Windows 8 machine is using in order to gain access.

It might also help to set up the shares on the Win 8 machine, using the Homegroup style share settings set to share with "Everyone".
 

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Windows 8 does not support the network mapping feature ??

Windows 8 does not support the network mapping feature?? what are you talking about? of course it does?? No you dont need same username and password and he is asking about windows 8 not 7??
 

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Actually it is XP Home Edition that makes the Workgroup named "MSHome" - As a matter of fact, All XP Home, Vista Home, 7 Home and 8 Home editions crate "MSHome".

I have several XP Pro connected to my network, but I've had Home edition workstations as well, as long as they are on "Workgroup" they are seen by 8. But even if they are not, they show up in an 'MSHome" network that can be seen by 8 and connected to when I "Map Network Drive"

Even if your Xp's are not showing up in the Network from 8, just try Mapping them if you know their network names, I'll bet you can still connect to them.
 

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Oh Yah, for those to work, you have to have the Administrator account turned on and a password set, and you have to know the Admin Password. I always set these to the same thing on all Workstations. Sharing works through the Administrator account so it has to be turned on and shared. In XP Pro, it's easy to set a password through the Management Console, just right click on the Admin account in "Local Users and Groups" and right clock on Admin, choose "Set password".

In XP Home, Vista Home, and 7 Home, this is a lot mroe difficult, I use a 3rd party program called Yamicsoft Windows XP/Vista/7/8 Manager to activate the Administrator accounts, and then I set the password by logging into Admin and setting it. There is probably a way to do this from ad Admin Command Prompt, but I don't know what the command is, or the switches.
 

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Windows 8 does not support the network mapping feature?? what are you talking about? of course it does?? No you dont need same username and password and he is asking about windows 8 not 7??
I'm aware that we were talking about Windows 8 seeing as how I've helped solve some of these problems here in the Windows 8 forum.
 
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Name HOMEGROUP or USERGROUP to (YOUR NAME X) everywhere on all machines, make sure the spelling is the same. Share some folders or files..

in 7 or 8 set advanced sharing to Share Everything and NOT REQUIRE USER ACCOUNTS OR PASSWORD (setting that last one its at the bottom there, PASSWORD to NONE was tricky. 8 was resistant. i had to click through a few times, the interface needed to save I guess.)

now restart xp then in XP control panel> My Network Places > View Workgroup Computers.. you should see your work group on the xp and the one on the other machine 7 or 8..

that is all i wanted to do and nothing in this thread had helped me. The actual computer user names are not the same, I do not know about the password requirement as i do not know.
 

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