Will 90 percent of users always hate Windows 8?

[BillWindows]

Boy, there's a lot of 90 percenters on this Forum.

 

[SIW2]

IDC I believe reported that many Windows 8 users

Did they?

I think they are talking about non users here - the reasons why they will not buy it. Different group. perhaps?

 

[jimbo45]

Hi there
these sort of statistics are like trying to apply complex standard deviation and spread calculations to a set of observations which contain precisely ONE measurement.

The data sample used in the article is a) likely to be very small and b) certainly won't be a random group of "typical" users.

It's like those commercials on TV -- Most Women like this cosmetic or find it reduces blemishes. -- If you then check the statistics it will be a sample of around 50 women who probably are getting a small "service" for their participation. (Doesn't have to be cash -- could just be a goodies bag or a free meal etc.)

Cheers
jimbo

 

[HippsieGypsie]

Yea, I need to see hard numbers from scientific, undiluted studies. Although I enjoy and respect the author, I think anyone could write an article or book making statements to justify the means to their own ends. Not saying he's lying. I'm questioning the book. I will research.

 

[whs]

Hi there
these sort of statistics are like trying to apply complex standard deviation and spread calculations to a set of observations which contain precisely ONE measurement.

The data sample used in the article is a) likely to be very small and b) certainly won't be a random group of "typical" users.

It's like those commercials on TV -- Most Women like this cosmetic or find it reduces blemishes. -- If you then check the statistics it will be a sample of around 50 women who probably are getting a small "service" for their participation. (Doesn't have to be cash -- could just be a goodies bag or a free meal etc.)

Cheers
jimbo

Jimbo, there are a lot of people who make a curve from 1 measurement point. Isn't that common parctice in statistics, LOL.

 

[jimbo45]

Hi there
these sort of statistics are like trying to apply complex standard deviation and spread calculations to a set of observations which contain precisely ONE measurement.

The data sample used in the article is a) likely to be very small and b) certainly won't be a random group of "typical" users.

It's like those commercials on TV -- Most Women like this cosmetic or find it reduces blemishes. -- If you then check the statistics it will be a sample of around 50 women who probably are getting a small "service" for their participation. (Doesn't have to be cash -- could just be a goodies bag or a free meal etc.)

Cheers
jimbo

Jimbo, there are a lot of people who make a curve from 1 measurement point. Isn't that common parctice in statistics, LOL.

Hi there
I hope the manufacturer of the next plane I fly on doesn't use those type of Engineers when designing their aircraft or the Pilot finds his way to the airport that way.

Cheers
jimbo

 

[Coke Robot]

Boy, there's a lot of 90 percenters on this Forum.

I know right?! Some need to go outside and look at pretty scenery and realize that they're on a forums about a product doing nothing more than hating on the product; then come to the conclusion what a futile waste of time that is when they could do something like.... gardening.

 

[znod]

FWIW, here is the follow up by the author whs cited. Gee an "article" containing the comments to his original that he likes. ZDNet has few publication standards IMO, although some of its authors are OK to good.

 

[whs]

FWIW, here is the follow up by the author whs cited. Gee an "article" containing the comments to his original that he likes. ZDNet has few publication standards IMO, although some of its authors are OK to good.

The user comments are interesting reading. But many show that people don't want to learn. -- that is not my problem. I just find Windows 8 more cumbersome to work with than Windows 7. And since there are really no new attractive functions for me, I won't use it other than for academic studies in a virtual partition.

 

[DavidY]

The standout example in the article for me is when he describes watching his Dad use Windows 8:

I watched him try and do simple tasks and saw him again and again just floored by Windows 8's odd usability modes. He showed me how double-clicking a photo in his mail software (a normal desktop app) would open up the Metro-style photo viewer. Blam! His whole machine is taken over. Just a picture in the middle of a gray ocean with no clue, nothing to click. Taskbar gone. A close button? No. He was used to clicking on the taskbar to switch apps, used to clicking the close button to dismiss things when it got out of hand. (He'd never used Alt+Tab.) What's he supposed to do at this point, learn Alt+F4 to close a Metro-style app or the utterly undiscoverable mouse-based gesture of dragging a Metro-style container to the floor?

If you don't know the magic gestures or keystroke shortcuts, how do you know how do get out of that?

Sure you can Google it, but only once you've figured out how to escape the Metro screen in the first place and get to a browser.

I think this is why the Start button resurrection utilities are so popular - it gives people an escape route, and a constant interface which is on the screen all the time, by which you can take control again when you're lost. Even the former standard "F1" for help is broken in Metro, and not replaced by anything as far as I can tell.

People have compared Windows 8 to when the "ribbon" appeared in Office 2007, but the two are very different. With the ribbon, everything moved around, which is a pain for people who'd got used to the previous menus and keyboard shortcuts for the previous 10 years. But at least you can navigate the ribbon and figure it out, and for a user new to Office, I'll take Microsoft's word for it that it's easier.

Compare that with Metro on a non-touch PC which leaves you no clues on what to do.

Metro usability is fixable, but has a long way to go.

 

[znod]

FWIW, here is the follow up by the author whs cited. Gee an "article" containing the comments to his original that he likes. ZDNet has few publication standards IMO, although some of its authors are OK to good.

I just find Windows 8 more cumbersome to work with than Windows 7. And since there are really no new attractive functions for me, I won't use it other than for academic studies in a virtual partition.

Agreed. That's basically what I think, although Win8 is a perfectly functional OS. I am sticking with my virtual Win8 Pro on my MacBook Pro and second copy of it on my old HP laptop. I bought cheap. The only thing that might make be think twice is if I could steal a Win8 OEM laptop (with UEFI) in anticipation of "Big Blue"--once we get more of an idea about, hopefully, not BooBoo.

 

[znod]

The standout example in the article for me is when he describes watching his Dad use Windows 8:

I watched him try and do simple tasks and saw him again and again just floored by Windows 8's odd usability modes. He showed me how double-clicking a photo in his mail software (a normal desktop app) would open up the Metro-style photo viewer. Blam! His whole machine is taken over. Just a picture in the middle of a gray ocean with no clue, nothing to click. Taskbar gone. A close button? No. He was used to clicking on the taskbar to switch apps, used to clicking the close button to dismiss things when it got out of hand. (He'd never used Alt+Tab.) What's he supposed to do at this point, learn Alt+F4 to close a Metro-style app or the utterly undiscoverable mouse-based gesture of dragging a Metro-style container to the floor?

If you don't know the magic gestures or keystroke shortcuts, how do you know how do get out of that?

Sure you can Google it, but only once you've figured out how to escape the Metro screen in the first place and get to a browser.

I think this is why the Start button resurrection utilities are so popular - it gives people an escape route, and a constant interface which is on the screen all the time, by which you can take control again when you're lost. Even the former standard "F1" for help is broken in Metro, and not replaced by anything as far as I can tell.

People have compared Windows 8 to when the "ribbon" appeared in Office 2007, but the two are very different. With the ribbon, everything moved around, which is a pain for people who'd got used to the previous menus and keyboard shortcuts for the previous 10 years. But at least you can navigate the ribbon and figure it out, and for a user new to Office, I'll take Microsoft's word for it that it's easier.

Compare that with Metro on a non-touch PC which leaves you no clues on what to do.

Metro usability is fixable, but has a long way to go.

Good points.

 

[whs]

FWIW, here is the follow up by the author whs cited. Gee an "article" containing the comments to his original that he likes. ZDNet has few publication standards IMO, although some of its authors are OK to good.

I just find Windows 8 more cumbersome to work with than Windows 7. And since there are really no new attractive functions for me, I won't use it other than for academic studies in a virtual partition.

Agreed. That's basically what I think, although Win8 is a perfectly functional OS. I am sticking with my virtual Win8 Pro on my MacBook Pro and second copy of it on my old HP laptop. I bought cheap. The only thing that might make be think twice is if I could steal a Win8 OEM laptop (with UEFI) in anticipation of "Big Blue"--once we get more of an idea about, hopefully, not BooBoo.

I don't expect out much from Blue. I am getting myself prepared for the future studying Linux Mint - a really nice OS. Just made a bunch of tutorials.

 

[labeeman]

Some more comments on the 90%

The Mailbag: What you said about '90 percent of users hating Windows 8' | ZDNet

 

[Coke Robot]

"I hate Office's Ribbon UI."

-Said no one ever.

 

[msdos622wasfun]

Once the flatulence apps start pouring in, things will change, you'll see...

 

[Night Hawk]

Where have you been? could be asked here while most already know the number of 3rd party solutions is increasing just about ten fold daily. Now while most wouldn't rush to pay for one like StarDock's Start8 but go for the freebies like Start Menu 7 or Classic Shell(preferred here) StartDock apparently has something else available that can make some sense when going to run Metro or "Modern" apps. Start8 and MondernMix-- Windows 8's last, best hope for normality on the desktop

 

[Ray8]

It makes you wonder why any software company would make programs that allow you to configure and use Windows 8 like it was Windows 7. [sarcasm]I mean, no would want that.[/sarcasm]

 

[Coke Robot]

"I've always wanted to run my new operating system like my old one!"

-Said rarely anyone ever.

 

[Ray8]

"I've always wanted to run my new operating system like my old one!"

-Said rarely anyone ever.

But that's not what I said.