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Will 90 percent of users always hate Windows 8?


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Summary: Windows 8 doesn't exactly seem to be setting the world alight. Perhaps the requirement that indifferent users have to sit down and learn their way around something new is causing problems...
A very interesting article that summarizes a lot of the elements we have been discussing here.

Will 90 percent of users always hate Windows 8? | ZDNet
 

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Thanks for sharing. The article may explain some things, but I mostly quit reading after what's below--early in the article. I have no confidence in anyone who would make the statement below--either in the context of the article or in any other context.

"This method, by the way, explains Apple quite precisely. Apple's products don't do much, but what they do do requires no cognitive load or expectation of understanding drawing from prior experience whatsoever. For example, my son who at nine months of age would happily flick around the photo app on my iPad. Nine months!"

I read pretty many of the ZDNet news articles, and, IMO, the authors generally aren't very astute and especially not when it comes to Win8. About a week ago one author wrote about his discovery that you can get a start menu for Win8.
 
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I began reading the article but about half way through I just clicked it off as more idiocy, disingenuous BS diatribe. Sorry to say that we have an element in our society that manufactures statistics from thin air and purports to be an authority wherein in actuality they are just so much ho hum Bull ShIX artistry.

My humble apology to the delicate readers, really !

I don't belong to Microsoft, I'm not a spokesman for Windows 8. NO attachment, no nothing.

If there is any 90% it is the users and Newbies to Win 8 that don't even understand 90% of the OS. And I include myself except that my percentage of understanding is estimated now at 45% and increasing daily because I care and study it.

There is and was no previous OS that can touch Win 8 with a ten foot pole.

Further I will reiterate, again, that it is an exceptional marvel in technology and a breakthroug in science in that it brings forth the elusive 6th sense, bio-tech, touch sense, a dialectirec detection of the human bodys emissions of electric impulses detected by touch technology.
 

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Thanks for posting the article, WHS. :)

Not only the article, but I like reading the comments readers leave. One asked where do the stats come from? 1+9+90%? I realize he's getting it from the mentioned book, but then, again, where do those stats come from? Show me the stats from studies, not hearsay as it stands. Not one author I've read has referenced them other than one cold-show study without some short instructions to the candidates first.

Then to mention that his friend bought a lappy without touch screen. Doesn't anyone research and evaluate products before buying them? Windows 8 is written for touch. It's touch centric. Although it works well on a non touch centric device, why would he purchase a mobile device that is not?

Perhaps MS should advertise 8 as "Windows 8. Our complete touch centric OS". Perhaps that would get 8 over the hurdle.

Lastly, new products demand at least some learning. I don't know about anyone else, but I had to learn new things of previous OSs. I have to learn what's new in any new product I buy and use. I can't assume it's like the last. e.g. I learned how to drive using conventional manual hydraulic breaks. Then came power hydraulic breaks. Learned the "feel" of those. Then came ABS. I had to learn that I no longer needed to pump the breaks on slippery road surfaces in order to maintain steering control. I simply apply pressure and hold. The new system now does it for me.

I sure the hell hope I don't live in a world where 90% of people don't care to learn. Perhaps I'm naive after all?!! Geez......
 

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Understand what you guys are saying. But I found this section interesting.

•A tiny percentage (say one percent) of users are experts, with a high tolerance for learning.
•A few more (say nine percent) of users are willing adopters — they have an expectation that the product will meet their needs, and some (albeit low) tolerance for learning.
•The remaining 90 percent of users just use technology to get a job done and have no tolerance for learning at all. These are mainstreamers.
It coincides with an article I read a few years ago. There it was stated that only 2% of the world population advance civilization with invention, innovation, etc. The remaining 98% are just lemmings.
 

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No, because 90 percent of users don't hate Office 2007, 2010, or 2013.

Some people are too superficial in determining their analysis of Windows 8.
 

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No, because 90 percent of users don't hate Office 2007, 2010, or 2013.

Some people are too superficial in determining their analysis of Windows 8.
And some focus solely on superficiality and lose focus on how others use computers for productivity.
 

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No, because 90 percent of users don't hate Office 2007, 2010, or 2013.

Some people are too superficial in determining their analysis of Windows 8.
Some have issue with the ribbon, but I love the ribbon. I always had trouble with Office 2003.
 

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They're not superficial. Just readers climbing on to hackneyed statements made in the early pre release days.
 

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Some people are too superficial
If you keep telling them that - it will definitely make them enamoured and they will rush out and buy it.

If your product isn't selling - you need to fix it.
 

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The article is an example of someone trying to put aside his own prejudices and see the wider picture.

General thrust of it seems reasonable.

Funny end statement in jest.
 

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90% huh? I guess that's why on most surveys found online about Windows 8 more often than not the "like's Windows 8" usually account for half the votes, or there about. I understand surveys don't account for the majority of the population but it's a number based on actual people voting, not a number pulled put of thin air like this 90%.
 

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The article is an example of someone trying to put aside his own prejudices and see the wider picture.

General thrust of it seems reasonable.

Funny end statement in jest.
Do you mean "the stupid Start Button" or "one less thing to learn"?

@R0bR. :thumbup:
 

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I mean the "stupid start button"

He clearly understands how important it is and is wording it that way as a joke.

It is amusing, maybe he is British.

Like - I have had several chocolates already - oh... go on then, force me - I will have another of the wretched things.

That is not meant to be taken literally.
 

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I don't klnow what the figures are - but if you think 50% like - and 50% don't like - that isn't great for something MS is trying to sell.


90% huh? I guess that's why on most surveys found online about Windows 8 more often than not the "like's Windows 8" usually account for half the votes, or there about. I understand surveys don't account for the majority of the population but it's a number based on actual people voting, not a number pulled put of thin air like this 90%.
 

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I mean the "stupid start button"

He clearly understands how important it is and is wording it that way as a joke.

It is amusing, maybe he is British.

Like - I have had several chocolates already - oh... go on then, force me - I will have another of the wretched things.

That is not meant to be taken literally.
I think Matt Baxter-Reynolds is British. He is based there. His name seems to be British, but that's neither here nor there. I like this author and respect his view. He realized off the bat what MS is trying to accomplish. I enjoyed his other articles referenced on his author page.

I have been pretty positive about Windows 8 since about the time the penny dropped and I realized what Microsoft was doing: the PC market is going away, and Microsoft had to produce a product that straddles the PC and post-PC transition.
Matt Baxter-Reynolds | US | Meet the Team | ZDNet

I try my best to be open minded and put prejudices aside, especially after raising six children. I had to realize that they are individuals that had their own personalities. They each had their likes and dislikes. This was unlike the generation I was raised by. One had to conform. I'm glad it's a different world today. :)

I get the gist of what he is saying from a marketing point of view. One has to create a new product that people will enjoy without too much of a learning curve. I'm beginning to see that the curve is too much for people, if, and only if the 90% is correct. It's not 8 as being a bad product, it's the bigger learning curve is what he is pointing out. I would still like to see the reference to the percentages.

I find it all hard to believe that it boils down to "the stupid Start Button" (or Orb). The menu remains, just in a different form. A much better form to me.

I'm afraid I won't be that empathetic for the 90% as he is trying to be. It's plain stubborness to me.

BTW, I like British humor. I just wasn't sure how to take that. I'm a big fan of Monte Python members, The Circus, and other British shows televized here. Great zany and sarcastic humor! :)
 

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He has got the right idea it sems to me.

Going on the available information, removing boot to desktop and start menu is causing a problem for 8 sales.

IMO it is a pretty big problem, keeping quite a lot away from buying it.

They have other difficulties, too - doubtless, some are buying tablets instead of larger machines, perhaps they are hanging onto their existing lappie and using it at home when needed - the tablet is fine for most things - there is probably an element of that.

They don't seem to be buying 8 tablets, though. That is another problem, MS haven't positioned them right. They have to compete in that area.

They need to fix both of those to get this thing off the ground.

I don't agree with him the consumers are somehow at fault - they don't want to learn and so on.

He probably enjoys faffing around with tech/computer stuff.

Most people don't. There is no reason why they should.

I gave an example on another thread, like this:

You could buy a laundry liquid that to many people smells vile. You could take it home and experiment putting drops of perfume in and solve it - probably without too much difficulty.

A few people might enjoy that - a challenge, or puzzle - a sense of achievement, whatever.

Most people would get a whiff of it and leave it on the shelf. I think that is normal.

If the manufacturer is aware of the problem ( and he should be ) - yet he shoves it out anyway - then the manufacturer is being stubborn - and he shouldn't be surprised if it doesn't sell in huge amounts.
 

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Some people can't tweak & get frustrated with existing Windows 8 features.

I first got Win 8 & was aghast with Metro & no Start button.

I added Classic Shell & a few other things like Iconoid, etc.
(I like yellow desktop icon text)

I like playing with computer things.
Windows 8 has plenty to play with & change to suit.

I think Microsoft did make too many changes at one time to the interface.
The least they could do is provide a TweakUI for Windows 8.

If Quaker Oats got rid of the picture of the Quaker on the box, people would not like it.
The same with the umbrella girl on Morton Salt.---etc.

Changing too much at one time is, to me, a mistake.

But, after a while people will get used to the radical changes.

It's an adventure in learning.
Learning tweaks & work-arounds expands your knowledge of computer stuff.
And, the more you learn, the easier it gets.(For me anyways)

Just my personal thoughts.:geek:

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Here's a conflicting statement.

IDC I believe reported that many Windows 8 users want a start menu and a facebook app. What?
 

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