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Why does W8 have so many security prompts?

streetwolf

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First things first. I disabled UAC and I turned off SmartScreen as I find them both annoying.

Why do some many programs require Admin privileges when my user account has it already? Why does a program like 7-Zip give me a message that I need elevated privileges when I right click on a zip file and select the option to extract it to the folder 7-Zip lists? I have granted all the 7-Zip executables Admin privileges. If I didn't I have problems extracting some rar/zip files where some files would not extract mostly executables.

It seems that W8 wants to annoy the hell out of me. Under W7 I also disabled UAC and never had the prompts for the same things that W8 does.

I'm running W8 Pro x64 from Technet, so it's RTM.
 

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Mystere

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Windows 8 has no more prompts than Windows 7. You also did not disable UAC, otherwise you would not get such prompts. UAC is the only thing that will allow those prompts.

In fact, you can't really disable UAC (well, you can, but there's no ui for it), all you can do is lower the threshold in which prompts appear.

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/5509-user-account-control-uac-change-settings-windows-8-a.html

What you are seeing is because the folders you are trying to extract to still have Windows 7 security ACL's. You have not yet granted ownership to your Windows 8 account.
 

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phailyoor

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You need to use the registry key to disable UAC. The slider DOES NOT work properly in windows8. You need to change the enableLUA key.
 

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streetwolf

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The UAC slider works fine. Perhaps it didn't under the Preview releases. Remember, I am running W8 RTM from Technet.

Because 7-Zip would not let me extract some files, I discovered I needed to run it with admin privileges. This is exactly what I mean about W8 restricting things more than W7. I never had to run 7-Zip with admin privileges to do anything.

The Elevation message I mentioned in my OP was caused by giving the 7-Zip program that handles the function I was doing (there a a few 7-Zip exe's for different functions) Admin privileges using Properties. Once I unchecked Admin privileges everything worked fine.

As further 'proof' of W8's increased security why do I have to run the Command Prompt with Admin privileges for things I never had to do this under W7?

Perhaps you are running the Preview versions of W8 and not RTM. If things are not like what I say for you and you are running Preview than it seems RTM has changed in this area.
 

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phailyoor

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Do metro apps work when the slider is down? YES. Is UAC still enabled when the slider is all the way down? YES.
 

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streetwolf

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Do metro apps work when the slider is down? YES. Is UAC still enabled when the slider is all the way down? YES.

So what exactly are you saying? That the slider does work and you were wrong to say it didn't. I'm sorry but I just don't understand your statement.
 

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SIW2

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Think about it this way:

The slider turns uac to a low level - but not off.

You can turn uac off completely via the registry, but if you do - then some apps. might not work.

enableLUA.jpg
 

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phailyoor

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Think about it this way: The slider turns uac to a low level - but not off. You can turn uac off completely via the registry, but if you do - then some apps. might not work.
Right. In windows 7, the slider completely disables UAC. In Windows 8, it does not. UAC is still very much active, even though "most" prompts should be gone.
 

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streetwolf

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Think about it this way: The slider turns uac to a low level - but not off. You can turn uac off completely via the registry, but if you do - then some apps. might not work.
Right. In windows 7, the slider completely disables UAC. In Windows 8, it does not. UAC is still very much active, even though "most" prompts should be gone.

Didn't know this at all. Thanks for the info.
 

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Mystere

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Right. In windows 7, the slider completely disables UAC. In Windows 8, it does not. UAC is still very much active, even though "most" prompts should be gone.

Actually, no. It was exactly the same in Windows 7. Sliding the slider down did NOT disable UAC. In there was a checkbox to turn it on and off, but they replaced it with the slider in Windows 7 and took away the ability to turn it off from the UI.
 

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phailyoor

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Right. In windows 7, the slider completely disables UAC. In Windows 8, it does not. UAC is still very much active, even though "most" prompts should be gone.
Actually, no. It was exactly the same in Windows 7. Sliding the slider down did NOT disable UAC. In there was a checkbox to turn it on and off, but they replaced it with the slider in Windows 7 and took away the ability to turn it off from the UI.
Really? I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the slider can completely disable UAC in 7.
 

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Brink

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In Windows 7, the slider set to the bottom level turns UAC completely off with EnableUA set to 0.

In Windows 8, the slider set to the bottom level turns UAC just about completely. As Wolfgang posted, if EnableUA is set to 0 in Windows 8, then it will cause issues with some Metro apps not working. You still do not get prompted by UAC with the bottom level though.
 

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Mystere

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In Windows 7, the slider set to the bottom level turns UAC completely off with EnableUA set to 0.

Right, but not by default if you slide it to the bottom. You need the registry setting as well. In this respect it works exactly the same on Windows 7 and Windows 8, but Windows 8 has the added problem that without UAC on some metro apps have problesm.
 

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phailyoor

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In Windows 7, the slider set to the bottom level turns UAC completely off with EnableUA set to 0.
Right, but not by default if you slide it to the bottom. You need the registry setting as well. In this respect it works exactly the same on Windows 7 and Windows 8, but Windows 8 has the added problem that without UAC on some metro apps have problesm.
Actually, The registry key is automatically set by the slider in windows 7. It is not automatic in 8.
 

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:ditto:
 

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For normal usage, you should keep UAC on for security reasons, but everyone is free to customize their OS.
 

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streetwolf

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The point I am making perhaps can be explained by this. I downloaded a program that makes a flash drive bootable. When I ran it a message pops up that I need to run it with Admin rights even though I do have Admin rights for my User Account. Running it with Admin rights did indeed make it run. I bet you that if I ran this under W7 It would run without this message. This is what I meant about more prompts in W8.

I am guessing that since I have the UAC slider at it's lowest level this might be the cause of the message in light of the fact that under W8 UAC is not off using the slider. Maybe I would have gotten the usual UAC message when running the program if my slider was set to normal? I
 

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