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Why Are PC Sales Up And Tablet Sales Down?


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Cause I use a pc .. and could never do what I do on a tablet. I do software development .. and good luck on a tablet. I would throw it through the window and go back to my pc. There are just some things that they suck at .. and honestly if someone wanted to give me a tablet for free .. I would tell them to keep it.
 

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Cause I use a pc .. and could never do what I do on a tablet. I do software development .. and good luck on a tablet. I would throw it through the window and go back to my pc. There are just some things that they suck at .. and honestly if someone wanted to give me a tablet for free .. I would tell them to keep it.
I'm a developer as well but that doesn't mean I don't have have use for a tablet. Don't you ever use your PC for something other than development? I wouldn't want a tablet as my only computing device but in addition to my other devices it has its place.
 

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Cause I use a pc .. and could never do what I do on a tablet. I do software development .. and good luck on a tablet. I would throw it through the window and go back to my pc. There are just some things that they suck at .. and honestly if someone wanted to give me a tablet for free .. I would tell them to keep it.
I'm a developer as well but that doesn't mean I don't have have use for a tablet. Don't you ever use your PC for something other than development? I wouldn't want a tablet as my only computing device but in addition to my other devices it has its place.
:ditto: Not to the being a developer part, but I also wouldn't mind having a tablet to play with at times.
 

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Well yes .. I do other things too. But that is a major part of what I do on my pc. I couldn't imagine doing it any other way. I have played with my sisters iPad .. didn't really like it that much. :shock:
 

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I also do developement (occasionaly) and many other activities on my pc, but all of them would be difficult or very boring to do on the cripled interface of a tablet. I can think that it's nice to bring an altra small, light weight computer with you, but if using it is boring, what's for?[hr][/hr] The worse thing on a tablet is the lack of real keyboard. That's what kills me. The touch-screen keyboard taks half of the display area and it's never as fast as typing on a real one. (Try to type with 6 figers at a time -3 fingers with each hand- on a touchpad screen keyboard). So you think wow what a large screen, then the keybord opens itself and your large screen is transformed into a narrow band.
 

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I bought a used Dell XPS 12 for $550 and it's the best money I've spent in a long time for a laptop. Windows 8.1 is neat and fast, and the laptop converts to a tablet for things that don't require heavy keyboard work. I took a chance on this being a good combination laptop/tablet idea, and pleasantly found out I was correct for once.
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Perhaps the move to a simpler, cheaper PC replacement will finally shift the cost/benefit equation such that these web applications will finally be upgraded or replaced with SaaS solutions.
I believe that the exact opposite will occur.

As hardware becomes cheaper, the (apparent) cost of software increases.

When a PC cost a few thousand dollars, spending $500 on software didn't seem that bad.
Now a PC costs a few hundred dollars, spending $500 on software seems excessive.
Hi there

That's true --- if you think now that a full copy of CS6 (the non subscription version) can cost well over 600 USD - more than a decent cheap entire PC !!.
I think it was closer to $2K here in Australia. :eek:
I could build (or even buy) a monster PC with that kind of cash


Now that there is a big push to move to 2160p (I've decided to refuse to call it 4K) imagine how tiny text would be on a 2160p tablet.
If the screen was 20cm x 11.25cm (8" x 4.5") it would have ~190 dots/cm (~480 dpi).
 

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Use an iPad at work, tiny little screen for my eyes. Wait to look at things when I get home on my 24" monitor :)

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I also do developement (occasionaly) and many other activities on my pc, but all of them would be difficult or very boring to do on the cripled interface of a tablet. I can think that it's nice to bring an altra small, light weight computer with you, but if using it is boring, what's for?[HR][/HR] The worse thing on a tablet is the lack of real keyboard. That's what kills me. The touch-screen keyboard taks half of the display area and it's never as fast as typing on a real one. (Try to type with 6 figers at a time -3 fingers with each hand- on a touchpad screen keyboard). So you think wow what a large screen, then the keybord opens itself and your large screen is transformed into a narrow band.
Hi there

Why not try one of those small blue tooth keyboards if you just need a keyboard for a few things on a tablet -- however I find a Convertible device is the best of both worlds -- although expensive I LIKE the SP3. In Tablet mode it's brilliant when I'm travelling and just want to watch a movie / browse the Internet. Try sitting on a fairly packed train and watch a movie on an enormous 17 inch Alienware laptop !! -- no matter how good that laptop is it's 100% impractical for travelling with !!

The 10 ins screen of the SP3 is large enough to watch a movie with -- I've tried using a Samsung S5 phone -- the SP3 is much better !! or watching a sports streaming service like SKY SPORTS - trouble with SKY SPORTS is all the other passengers want to watch the game too !!!.

Of course for Actual REAL computer work you need a proper keyboard and mouse too - possibly a decent sized monitor and some local storage -- well a convertible gives you that too.

I expect as the price comes down we'll see a lot more of these -- the Lenovo IMO isn't a competitor yet for the SP3 -- it's too fiddly switching between tablet and computer mode - but other cheaper convertibles will come now people are discovering the usefulness and versatility of the form factor. - I know it's no good for hard core gamers and some serious video editing stuff but most users aren't in that category.

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There's another type of computing devices that is largely ignored for now but has a great potential. Those are very small but potentially powerful PCs for which CPU manufacturers are gearing up right now. Those CPUs, Intel and AMD are too much for tablets but are going to rival today's desktop CPU + GPU combinations. Very lo power requirements mean not only battery life but also lo heat and therefore easier to keep in small packages. With wireless and micro USB connections to multiple devices they should be able to be connected to a large, smart TV set as well to smaller displays size of a tablet.

HummingBoard is set to take a bite out of Raspberry Pi
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Hi there

Those devices -- to do WHAT with exactly -- A Smart TV doesn't need a large amount of Horse power - in fact even a small old Netbook Atom processor is more than enough for it -- 99.9% of the power requirement for a TV comes from the SCREEN. You might need some circuitry for handling fast refresh rates - especially on Huge new 4K screens but that hardware is specialized and won't be of much use outside these displays.

Also a TV is essentially for Entertainment and relaxation -- I doubt (at least where I live) many people want to have loads of wires and boxes hanging off a TV and turning it into some sort of "Teenagers" Bedroom.

I refuse to have ANY computer in my living room - I've got plenty of places elsewhere where I can use all that type of gear -- I only have ONE exception - If I absolutely have to watch a movie that for some reason or other doesn't stream properly to the TV then I hook up a laptop via HDMI - but the laptop is REMOVED as soon as I'm done watching.

I agree with the old adage "Don't mix Business and Pleasure" -- Most times the computer stays where it belongs - in an Office / Hobby room / shed etc.

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A TV set for display ONLY, nice big screen instead of those little ones like tablets etc. It's more likely that there is going to be a TV set in a home than a computer. Mixing business and pleasure does not have to be bad. I used to love my job and frequently took it home to finish what I did not have time at work. I don't even have a TV set as my computer and 3 screens can handle all of it from one place. Most of the time, one of screens runs TV program or I'm playing music while I'm working on the main one.
 

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A TV set for display ONLY, nice big screen instead of those little ones like tablets etc. It's more likely that there is going to be a TV set in a home than a computer. Mixing business and pleasure does not have to be bad. I used to love my job and frequently took it home to finish what I did not have time at work. I don't even have a TV set as my computer and 3 screens can handle all of it from one place. Most of the time, one of screens runs TV program or I'm playing music while I'm working on the main one.
Hi there

I suppose that's a "Life type" thing -- my take on it is Work is for Work and Playtime is for just that -- but each to their own -- I've seen what happens in places like the UK where a lot of people are forced to work any hours god sends them on those "Zero Hours" thingeys (not allowed here thank goodness) which make the ancient Roman model of Slavery seem almost benign in comparison.

Zero-hour contract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(Hopefully Serbia won't let that type of thing in "under the door").

Mind you as an Engineer we often got overruns but that was completed "On Site" -so when I got home I was actually HOME and probably needed a nice stiff strong drink !!.

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Ugh, those "Zero Hour Contract" does not look too good for general work force. If it would at least work like retainer for lawyer or something like that. One reason I did not like to do work privately was insecurity of earnings. Anyway, I may seem like workaholic but in reality I did what I liked, mechanics, electronics, computers etc. and also like troubleshooting problems, a form of mind gymnastic I think. I was blessed with pretty good health too, so didn't find it all too difficult. Other hobbies like shooting and fishing, provided welcome change. While in Canada, i used to take one longer weekend a month off and go to a remote forest (there's a lot of it few hundred klicks from Toronto) all alone and just sit and watch nature. It empties your mind and recharges you greatly.
 

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A TV set for display ONLY, nice big screen instead of those little ones like tablets etc. It's more likely that there is going to be a TV set in a home than a computer. Mixing business and pleasure does not have to be bad. I used to love my job and frequently took it home to finish what I did not have time at work. I don't even have a TV set as my computer and 3 screens can handle all of it from one place. Most of the time, one of screens runs TV program or I'm playing music while I'm working on the main one.
Hi there

I suppose that's a "Life type" thing -- my take on it is Work is for Work and Playtime is for just that -- but each to their own -- I've seen what happens in places like the UK where a lot of people are forced to work any hours god sends them on those "Zero Hours" thingeys (not allowed here thank goodness) which make the ancient Roman model of Slavery seem almost benign in comparison.

Zero-hour contract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(Hopefully Serbia won't let that type of thing in "under the door").

Mind you as an Engineer we often got overruns but that was completed "On Site" -so when I got home I was actually HOME and probably needed a nice stiff strong drink !!.

Cheers
jimbo

In the US the same thing is called "independent contracting"...;) The only people who ever do that are those who by circumstance are forced to do it...;) The only "advantage" to it is that since you are not legally "an employee" but an "independent contractor" they can't withhold taxes from your check...but you're still liable for them, anyway...;) [Says someone who hasn't been in that status since his teenage years]....Minimum-wage statutes do not apply to independent contractors, either. Like zero-hour, I'd imagine, independent contracting is entirely voluntary, though--you cannot be forced into it (except indirectly, of course, through economic circumstances.)
 

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A TV set for display ONLY, nice big screen instead of those little ones like tablets etc. It's more likely that there is going to be a TV set in a home than a computer. Mixing business and pleasure does not have to be bad. I used to love my job and frequently took it home to finish what I did not have time at work. I don't even have a TV set as my computer and 3 screens can handle all of it from one place. Most of the time, one of screens runs TV program or I'm playing music while I'm working on the main one.
Hi there

I suppose that's a "Life type" thing -- my take on it is Work is for Work and Playtime is for just that -- but each to their own -- I've seen what happens in places like the UK where a lot of people are forced to work any hours god sends them on those "Zero Hours" thingeys (not allowed here thank goodness) which make the ancient Roman model of Slavery seem almost benign in comparison.

Zero-hour contract - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

(Hopefully Serbia won't let that type of thing in "under the door").

Mind you as an Engineer we often got overruns but that was completed "On Site" -so when I got home I was actually HOME and probably needed a nice stiff strong drink !!.

Cheers
jimbo

In the US the same thing is called "independent contracting"...;) The only people who ever do that are those who by circumstance are forced to do it...;) The only "advantage" to it is that since you are not legally "an employee" but an "independent contractor" they can't withhold taxes from your check...but you're still liable for them, anyway...;) [Says someone who hasn't been in that status since his teenage years]....Minimum-wage statutes do not apply to independent contractors, either. Like zero-hour, I'd imagine, independent contracting is entirely voluntary, though--you cannot be forced into it (except indirectly, of course, through economic circumstances.)
Hi there

I'm talking about these new "ZERO HOURS" types of Contracts -- these have only been around for a few years -- I worked most of my life as an independent FREELANCER which is a totally different Ballgame -- usually you get a proper contract with no "Minimum" hours and your rights are almost the same as an Employee while you are on the job.

Not wishing to Hijack the thread - but there's a whole UNIVERSE of difference between this "Zero Hours" stuff and a proper external Free Lance contract as a lot of independent I.T contractors or Engineers will know. A typical I.T freelancer will have a guaranteed nr of hours a week to work at a specific rate per hr - OK they do their own taxes and don't get statuatory paid holidays (except in the EU zone (apart from the UK which opted out of "The social charter") after every 13 weeks in a contract you get a specific nr of days holiday) .

Not wishing to turn this thread into an "Employment Tribunal" but there's a whole UNIVERSE of difference between genuine Freelancers who want (and like ) working that way to these EVIL "ZERO HRS" Thingeys.

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In a high-tech oriented society, there's the mindset that "newer must be better", and since that is generally forced on us my the media and bloggers, the obverse "older is worse" must also be true. But, as those of us who have been around with computer technology for decades, we know that in reality, "older is different". It's scary to realize that there is more computing power in the digital watch on my wrist than on all of the computers contained in a single Apollo mission -- but those old computers got the job done! I have a relative who swears that Tablets are the best computers around, but when I pressed him for what he uses at work, he quietly admitted (1) he uses a desktop PC (for multiple windows, keyboard, and mouse use), and (2) prefers to use that over his tablet. When I asked him why he didn't relish spending the day reaching across his desk to touch a tablet screen, he replied "Why do that when I can use the mouse?" -- exactly -- Tablets are great for multimedia work and nearly every I know (including my spouse, kids, and grandkids), uses them for videos, pictures, and movies. Plus, like others have said, everyone I know that WANTS a tablet already has one. Verizon is even giving them away to customers as incentives for upgrading their cell phones. So basically, there's no huge herd of tablet buyers out there lining up to buy the latest and greatest table.
 

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New type of any machine can be compared only to similar machine, in case of computing devices it's tablet against tablet, laptop - laptop, they are made for different uses. You can't compare a freezer and refrigerator and they are as close devices as you can get, much less to compare them to stoves. So, we have smart phones that do SOME computing, tablets that may do some more computing but less phoning, laptops that do much more computing but next to none of phoning (Skype etc. notwithstanding), then we have desktops which have other roles. So, all of those devices have their role in life and is good thing they all exist but there should be no comparison between all of them. If each one is used the way they are made for they are good things but if you try using them to replace one another none of them will be good.
 

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Yeah, older is not necessarily worse but different. My first computer was an IBM PC in 1984. My phone and tablet are many times more powerful with faster processor, far better graphics, more storage, more RAM, connected to the rest of the world, etc... but I would rather edit a document or a spreadsheet on that old IBM PC than try to do the same on my phone or tablet. Of course I'd much rather do those things on a modern desktop than the old PC but the old PC could get the job done better than my phone or tablet.
 

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    W10 Pro (desktop), W10 (laptop), W10 Pro (tablet), W10 (laptop)
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A PC =/= a desktop. A PC is a laptop, x86 based tablet, or desktop. A Surface Pro is a tablet PC.

I think everyone here mostly didn't read the article because it speaks of tablets, i.e. ipad garbage, versus the enterprise buying new PC hardware to replace old xp hardware. PC sales are up, they're not necessarily all desktops. People are realizing that tablets, like the ipad, are incredibly limited to a certain subset of functions that end up requiring a PC. That means it's a huge waste of time and money.

The article also then points out the fact about things like "super tablets" i.e., the Surface Pro 3 and the enterprise's desire for them. Windows as it is right now isn't totally adjusted for sole touch input only with a keyboard because of the Desktop, so it's not the perfect solution but as we all should know by now it's the best solution out there.
 

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    Crosshair V Formula-Z
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    16 gig DDR3
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    ASUS R9 270
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    1440x900
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    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
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    OCZ 500 watt
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    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
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    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
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    Internet Explorer 11
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    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014

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