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What we are REALLY getting with Windows 8


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1. Windows 8 will be compatible with the tablets. This is the most expected function, which will support touch screen optimization and bring the Win 8 users more entire Windows experience.

2. Ending BSoD. Microsoft will cancel the disgustful BSod, while the screen will hint the users of Blue Screen of Death when the earlier version of Windows 8 crashes and needs reboot. But Whether the BSoD will not appear or not in the final windows 8 is still a myth.

3. Windows 8 Appstore similar to Mac. But recently, some evidences show that the screenshots of the Windows 8 Appstore are fake. But it does not mean Win 8 will certainly not to add such applications.

4. Logon with password by touching. Many phenomena show that windows 8 will be similar to Android to have the function of logon the system by touching. Users have to preset the password manually while not entering the password on the keyboard. If the Win 8 supports the tablets, this function will be strong enough.

5. Facial recognition logon. With this function, the users can log on the system easily through the camera.

6. Boot with outlay driver. Some media reported that users will use 16GB outlay driver (including USB driver) to up load windows 8 OS. Any computer can be used to up load the windows 8 professional.

7. Ribbon toolbar on Windows browser. Windows 8 may adopt the toolbar similar to the Ribbon Toolbar of Office 2007, for the computer files and guiding function optimization.

8. New logon interface similar to Windows Phone. Though it is similar to Windows Phone, but Win 8 will be more advanced.

9. New task manager will manage the application programs. It is said by the WinRumors that Windows 8 has added the new task manager, which will help the user to judge which app is taking up the RAM and CPU. And it is conducive for the users to close the app making the computer busy and extend the battery using time of the laptops.

10. Synchronization of online ID setting. Windows 8 can help the user to set online ID and save all the user settings, parameter choosing, website collection by the users, etc. in the cloud storage. Then the user can logon with any computer on Windows 8 operating system to use their familiar settings.

That's the top ten I have found to date, can anyone add some more to this list? :huh:
Should it REALLY be called Windows 8, or Windows 7 SE?
 

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1. Windows 8 will be compatible with the tablets. This is the most expected function, which will support touch screen optimization and bring the Win 8 users more entire Windows experience.

2. Ending BSoD. Microsoft will cancel the disgustful BSod, while the screen will hint the users of Blue Screen of Death when the earlier version of Windows 8 crashes and needs reboot. But Whether the BSoD will not appear or not in the final windows 8 is still a myth.

3. Windows 8 Appstore similar to Mac. But recently, some evidences show that the screenshots of the Windows 8 Appstore are fake. But it does not mean Win 8 will certainly not to add such applications.

4. Logon with password by touching. Many phenomena show that windows 8 will be similar to Android to have the function of logon the system by touching. Users have to preset the password manually while not entering the password on the keyboard. If the Win 8 supports the tablets, this function will be strong enough.

5. Facial recognition logon. With this function, the users can log on the system easily through the camera.

6. Boot with outlay driver. Some media reported that users will use 16GB outlay driver (including USB driver) to up load windows 8 OS. Any computer can be used to up load the windows 8 professional.

7. Ribbon toolbar on Windows browser. Windows 8 may adopt the toolbar similar to the Ribbon Toolbar of Office 2007, for the computer files and guiding function optimization.

8. New logon interface similar to Windows Phone. Though it is similar to Windows Phone, but Win 8 will be more advanced.

9. New task manager will manage the application programs. It is said by the WinRumors that Windows 8 has added the new task manager, which will help the user to judge which app is taking up the RAM and CPU. And it is conducive for the users to close the app making the computer busy and extend the battery using time of the laptops.

10. Synchronization of online ID setting. Windows 8 can help the user to set online ID and save all the user settings, parameter choosing, website collection by the users, etc. in the cloud storage. Then the user can logon with any computer on Windows 8 operating system to use their familiar settings.

That's the top ten I have found to date, can anyone add some more to this list? :huh:
Should it REALLY be called Windows 8, or Windows 7 SE?
I have discussed all the problems with Win8 in other postings but since you raised the issue of the Metro-style apps in the "Start Screen" let me say that these are not "more advanced" in any way. These "Metro-style" apps utilize a different code base than WP7/7.5. Thus WP7/7.5 apps will not run on the new "Start Screen". Which means that WP8 would likely transition to this code base and that WP7/7.5 will soon be orphaned. Ridiculous
 

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Mike Lonewolf

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ADRz as I have as well talked in other threads, this top ten list is just basically stating that to myself this is NOT a desktop
update to Windows desktop per-se, more so a move by Microsoft into the tablet foray. EVERYTHING I am looking at, would IMO feel more at home on a tablet, MS phone, than a desktop, or a laptop. Which also has me thinking that the long awaited MS Courier, and the current Acer Iconia 6120 would benefit from this type of operating system. Sure it will work with desktops/laptops BUT as I said in that other thread I am thinking this is a move by Microsoft to get the road warriors market added to their other computing devices. A example of such, the Xbox was Microsoft's foray into the game hardware/software arena, and as far as the numbers on that go it has taken the lead from Sony, and Nintendo in that area. Personally with the introduction to 3D TV coming next, I can see the Microsoft 3D TV hitting the scene next.
 

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I hate the ribbon on Windows Explorer. It just made Windows Explorer bulky on top and when you hide it, it hides the important buttons as well. Ribbon might have done well with Office but it has no place on Windows Explorer!

I could add a few things on your list:

1. Better backup management. If you go to the non-Metro Control Panel, check out File History. Its a cool thing that automatically backs up you files to another drive.

2. System Refresh and System Reset. If you go to the non-Metro Control Panel, check them out on the Recovery settings. With the Refresh thing, the computer can be put back to its original state without losing your files and System Reset, its supposed to "reset" things that you should do if youre giving away your computer, not sure what it does. But when I tried them, they are apparently disabled. Dunno why.

3. 16 Bit Application Support. It can be enabled in the non-Metro Control Panel as well.

4. Hyper-V Support. If you go to Programs and Features then to "Turn Windows Features on or off" you can enable Hyper-V because its disabled by default and I don't know why.

5. IE 10. Well, its "almost" similar to IE 9, but it still has a few bugs like when I'm typing something on the chat panel on Facebook, I have to press the keys hard cause some letters won't appear. The advantages of IE 10 over IE 9 is that it shows your commonly visited sites if you open a new tab and if anyone else has noticed this before, IE 10 finally has a native spelling checker! After so many years, Microsoft!

6. Performance Improvements. Though, this may not be noticeable on systems with rather good specs, Windows 8 is faster than Windows 7 and it boots and shuts down faster too than its predecessor. Windows 8 isn't done yet so there may not be as many background processes running in it. Its these processes that make the startup slower and the shutdown slower too because they needed to be terminated on shutdown. I have Windows 7 and Windows 8, dual booted in the same machine, I installed Call Of Duty game on a shared partition. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 are running it in compatibility mode for Windows XP SP2. I kinda noticed that Windows 8 somehow, is faster in restoring its Desktop to normal state after I closed Call of Duty. It takes a bit more time for Windows 7 to recover its Desktop after I closed Call Of Duty which is a bit of an old game and sometimes Windows Explorer would even freeze and restart on Windows 7 after I closed that game. This never happened on Windows 8. It may be an indication that Windows 8 is slighlty better in handling applications and crashes though I have not yet found any other examples to prove this.
 

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16 Bit Application Support is only supported in 32-Bit version of Windows this is how it's been since Vista. If you're going with Windows 8 64-Bit then you loose 16-Bit support and I can't see why anyone with a desktop or laptop would want to upgrade to a 32-Bit version of Windows 8 unless you've got a Windows tablet like the Acer W500 or really old laptop that can only handle 2GB ram maximum.
 

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ADRz as I have as well talked in other threads, this top ten list is just basically stating that to myself this is NOT a desktop
update to Windows desktop per-se, more so a move by Microsoft into the tablet foray. EVERYTHING I am looking at, would IMO feel more at home on a tablet, MS phone, than a desktop, or a laptop. Which also has me thinking that the long awaited MS Courier, and the current Acer Iconia 6120 would benefit from this type of operating system. Sure it will work with desktops/laptops BUT as I said in that other thread I am thinking this is a move by Microsoft to get the road warriors market added to their other computing devices. A example of such, the Xbox was Microsoft's foray into the game hardware/software arena, and as far as the numbers on that go it has taken the lead from Sony, and Nintendo in that area. Personally with the introduction to 3D TV coming next, I can see the Microsoft 3D TV hitting the scene next.
The problem to what you are saying is quite simple: 99.999% of all Windows installations are in the desktop/laptop area. There are hardly any Windows tablets to speak of. Thus, your comparisons should be with the dominant OSes in this area, not with Windows itself. Thus, what I (and most others) need to know is what would be the use of Win8 tablets when compared to those running iOS 5.0 or Android 4.0. Do you have any functional experience with these OSes???

All your comparisons/improvements are with the previous desktop versions of Windows and then you are asking me not to make any further comments because all of these are directed to tablets!!!!!
 

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I hate the ribbon on Windows Explorer. It just made Windows Explorer bulky on top and when you hide it, it hides the important buttons as well. Ribbon might have done well with Office but it has no place on Windows Explorer!

I could add a few things on your list:

1. Better backup management. If you go to the non-Metro Control Panel, check out File History. Its a cool thing that automatically backs up you files to another drive.

2. System Refresh and System Reset. If you go to the non-Metro Control Panel, check them out on the Recovery settings. With the Refresh thing, the computer can be put back to its original state without losing your files and System Reset, its supposed to "reset" things that you should do if youre giving away your computer, not sure what it does. But when I tried them, they are apparently disabled. Dunno why.

3. 16 Bit Application Support. It can be enabled in the non-Metro Control Panel as well.

4. Hyper-V Support. If you go to Programs and Features then to "Turn Windows Features on or off" you can enable Hyper-V because its disabled by default and I don't know why.

5. IE 10. Well, its "almost" similar to IE 9, but it still has a few bugs like when I'm typing something on the chat panel on Facebook, I have to press the keys hard cause some letters won't appear. The advantages of IE 10 over IE 9 is that it shows your commonly visited sites if you open a new tab and if anyone else has noticed this before, IE 10 finally has a native spelling checker! After so many years, Microsoft!

6. Performance Improvements. Though, this may not be noticeable on systems with rather good specs, Windows 8 is faster than Windows 7 and it boots and shuts down faster too than its predecessor. Windows 8 isn't done yet so there may not be as many background processes running in it. Its these processes that make the startup slower and the shutdown slower too because they needed to be terminated on shutdown. I have Windows 7 and Windows 8, dual booted in the same machine, I installed Call Of Duty game on a shared partition. Both Windows 7 and Windows 8 are running it in compatibility mode for Windows XP SP2. I kinda noticed that Windows 8 somehow, is faster in restoring its Desktop to normal state after I closed Call of Duty. It takes a bit more time for Windows 7 to recover its Desktop after I closed Call Of Duty which is a bit of an old game and sometimes Windows Explorer would even freeze and restart on Windows 7 after I closed that game. This never happened on Windows 8. It may be an indication that Windows 8 is slighlty better in handling applications and crashes though I have not yet found any other examples to prove this.
Again, all of these are valid if you are discussing Win8 in the desktop. If you want to evaluate how good Win8 would be in tablets, then you need to compare it to iOS 5.0 and Android 4.0. Then you can tell me what the performance is in these machines vs. the leading OSes in that area.

I am not going to buy a tablet simply because it runs Win8. In fact, I am strongly predisposed to purchase an ICS (Android 4.0) tablet as I believe that the interface in ICS is superior to that of Win8 (and the multitasking is more robust). Why would I want a Win8 tablet??? Nobody can provide any answer to this at this time in this forum.
 

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ADRz, no one is telling you that. BUT from what I am seeing, it SEEMS as though MS is heading to the tablet arena. (To myself as least) I agree with you, if you are currently happy with your current tablet O/S then stay with it. With the 2 tablets I mention,
it appears that Windows 8 would be at home on them. I see this as being a better fit for Windows 8 than a desktop/laptop enviroment.
 

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ADRz, no one is telling you that. BUT from what I am seeing, it SEEMS as though MS is heading to the tablet arena. (To myself as least) I agree with you, if you are currently happy with your current tablet O/S then stay with it. With the 2 tablets I mention,
it appears that Windows 8 would be at home on them. I see this as being a better fit for Windows 8 than a desktop/laptop enviroment.
Yes, it may be a better fit for Win8. My point was that any comparisons of Win8 in that area should be with iOS and Android (their current versions), not with the desktop version of Win7.

Thus, if anybody wants potential users to gravitate to Win8 tablets, then one must provide solid reasons as to why Win8 is a superior value to iOS or Android. To be honest, I just do not see it. So, it is not only users who are happy with the current mobile OS. As Win users in the mobile area are virtually non-existent, Microsoft must present good reasons as to why Win8 is a better proposition than iOS or Android. Nobody has fleshed out such a rationale, as far as I know.
 

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ADRz said
Microsoft must present good reasons as to why Win8 is a better proposition than iOS or Android.[end-quote]

Why? They didn't for IBM, nor Apple, nor did they do it for Sony, or Nintendo. As well as not for Osbourne, nor Atari! They JUST took those markets, and steamed rolled thru the competition, and EVEN now they have the Linux camp sweating heavily. Seriously ADRz Do you believe in your heart if Microsoft wants the Tablet market, they won't crush Android, and iOS? I still say THIS is their move onto that market. And with the announcement on the message boards at MSDN that 2500 Couriers will be going to beta testers this upcoming February I'm starting to feel the BULLDOZER (Microsoft) coming down on them!
 

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ADRz said
Microsoft must present good reasons as to why Win8 is a better proposition than iOS or Android.[end-quote]

Why? They didn't for IBM, nor Apple, nor did they do it for Sony, or Nintendo. As well as not for Osbourne, nor Atari! They JUST took those markets, and steamed rolled thru the competition, and EVEN now they have the Linux camp sweating heavily. Seriously ADRz Do you believe in your heart if Microsoft wants the Tablet market, they won't crush Android, and iOS? I still say THIS is their move onto that market. And with the announcement on the message boards at MSDN that 2500 Couriers will be going to beta testers this upcoming February I'm starting to feel the BULLDOZER (Microsoft) coming down on them!
Well, I am not sure that most have the sense of a Microsoft "bulldozer" effect in the mobile space. In fact, most analysts in the area believe that Microsoft would do well to make it into 3rd place in this area. Personally, I do not believe that Microsoft would make an impression in this market segment.

You have not told me as yet as to why you believe that consumers will pick up MS tablets vs iOS or Android. What do you think that these tablets would be able to do that the competition cannot do?

No, I do not feel any "bulldozer" coming in any shape or form. I think that MS would not be able to compete against the iPad and the various Kindles because it cannot even come close to their pricing point and because it cannot offer anything comparable in terms of ecosystem.

Microsoft would be offering tablets through 3rd party vendors. So, let's assume that HP, Dell and Lenovo start selling Win8 tablets. Now, what can these companies offer that it would be in any way similar to the Apple and Amazon offerings??? They cannot even come close, right? Amazon and Apple can afford to give away the hardware at cost (or even take a small loss) because they can make so much money from books, films and music. What would be Dell's motivation to offer a cheap tablet???? Why would Lenovo put out a $200 tablet??? I do not see it happening, sorry!!!

Then, you have Windows Phone that had the Metro UI for a year or more and has a tiny market share. Where was the "bulldozer" here???? I think that you have it all upside down!!!
 

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Well, there is another thread where I've posted quite a bit about new desktop usable features of Windows 8.

Wow, this is ridiculous. It's like people think A DEVELOPER PREVIEW BUILD OF A NEW WINDOWS OPERATING SYSTEM IS THE FINAL VERSION. It's not! Microsoft has said themselves that they've included a working Start Screen for developers to build in. It's a shell of a final version. The DP of 8 is only focused for developing in the Start Screen. Of course there aren't many significant benefits or features of 8 in the Desktop because Microsoft needs working apps for the beta build for tablet users and metro app users. It's a whole new interface to build in. The Desktop benefits will probably come in the beta where we'll see what Windows 8 will do for the Desktop computing experience. Until then, all those naysayers need to sod off from major judgments of a non-matured OS. Geez.....:mad:
 

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ADRz said
Microsoft must present good reasons as to why Win8 is a better proposition than iOS or Android.[end-quote]

Why? They didn't for IBM, nor Apple, nor did they do it for Sony, or Nintendo. As well as not for Osbourne, nor Atari! They JUST took those markets, and steamed rolled thru the competition, and EVEN now they have the Linux camp sweating heavily. Seriously ADRz Do you believe in your heart if Microsoft wants the Tablet market, they won't crush Android, and iOS? I still say THIS is their move onto that market. And with the announcement on the message boards at MSDN that 2500 Couriers will be going to beta testers this upcoming February I'm starting to feel the BULLDOZER (Microsoft) coming down on them!
Well, I am not sure that most have the sense of a Microsoft "bulldozer" effect in the mobile space. In fact, most analysts in the area believe that Microsoft would do well to make it into 3rd place in this area. Personally, I do not believe that Microsoft would make an impression in this market segment.

You have not told me as yet as to why you believe that consumers will pick up MS tablets vs iOS or Android. What do you think that these tablets would be able to do that the competition cannot do?

No, I do not feel any "bulldozer" coming in any shape or form. I think that MS would not be able to compete against the iPad and the various Kindles because it cannot even come close to their pricing point and because it cannot offer anything comparable in terms of ecosystem.

Microsoft would be offering tablets through 3rd party vendors. So, let's assume that HP, Dell and Lenovo start selling Win8 tablets. Now, what can these companies offer that it would be in any way similar to the Apple and Amazon offerings??? They cannot even come close, right? Amazon and Apple can afford to give away the hardware at cost (or even take a small loss) because they can make so much money from books, films and music. What would be Dell's motivation to offer a cheap tablet???? Why would Lenovo put out a $200 tablet??? I do not see it happening, sorry!!!

Then, you have Windows Phone that had the Metro UI for a year or more and has a tiny market share. Where was the "bulldozer" here???? I think that you have it all upside down!!!
Don't underestimate manufacturers. Ever. Don't underestimate Microsoft's competitiveness. Ever.

Why do you believe that the Windows Phone 7 hasn't made an impact on consumers out of curiosity?
 

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ADRz, no one is telling you that. BUT from what I am seeing, it SEEMS as though MS is heading to the tablet arena. (To myself as least) I agree with you, if you are currently happy with your current tablet O/S then stay with it. With the 2 tablets I mention,
it appears that Windows 8 would be at home on them. I see this as being a better fit for Windows 8 than a desktop/laptop enviroment.
Yes, it may be a better fit for Win8. My point was that any comparisons of Win8 in that area should be with iOS and Android (their current versions), not with the desktop version of Win7.

Thus, if anybody wants potential users to gravitate to Win8 tablets, then one must provide solid reasons as to why Win8 is a superior value to iOS or Android. To be honest, I just do not see it. So, it is not only users who are happy with the current mobile OS. As Win users in the mobile area are virtually non-existent, Microsoft must present good reasons as to why Win8 is a better proposition than iOS or Android. Nobody has fleshed out such a rationale, as far as I know.
It's the same reason as the Windows Phone argument, it's purely different. It can go against the android and win in the major categories of practicality and design. With an android, you get a jailbroken iphone with a crap ton of apps and crap ton of questionable apps that might be trying to get your banking info. With an iphone, you get something that hasn't geneuinly changed since 2006 OTHER than the app store. You still get the main basic apps, and you have a store to buy apps that make up for the lack of features. With a Windows Phone 7, you get something that is truly original, not a copycat build, not something that won't change. You get a device that is actually smart at keeping you connected with people. You'd think by now that would be obvious with smartphones, but not so. You also get the fastest growing app marketplace among them. In 15 or so months of the Windows Phone Marketplace, there are over 50,000 apps. It took iOS 12, it took android 18 months. Better proposition in my rational opinion.
 

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You'd think by now that would be obvious with smartphones, but not so. You also get the fastest growing app marketplace among them. In 15 or so months of the Windows Phone Marketplace, there are over 50,000 apps. It took iOS 12, it took android 18 months. Better proposition in my rational opinion.
Good point
 

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Don't underestimate manufacturers. Ever. Don't underestimate Microsoft's competitiveness. Ever.

Why do you believe that the Windows Phone 7 hasn't made an impact on consumers out of curiosity?
I do not underestimate anything. But none of the major manufacturers has any proven record of selling tablets and for a good reason. They are in the hardware business, they are not in the content provision business. They are neither Apple nor Amazon. They can only appeal to businesses which are the major purchasers of their products. Thus, their tablets are and will be targeted to businesses (if they need them), not consumers. Neither Lenovo, Dell or HP have any ecosystem to support consumer-oriented tablets. Nor can they offer tablets at $200 because they have no way of making money through content. Dell had a 7'' inch tablet out there for quite some time until it finally killed for poor sales. Amazon, on the other hand, sold untold millions of Kindle Fires. At $199, they are an impulse buy. At over $500, it gets to be a different proposition. At that level, nothing beats the iPad.

Why do you even ask about the impact of Windows Phone 7 with the consumers. It even trails Symbian for market share!!!! Even in the US, it has a 5% market share and it is actually declining. Despite "Mango", it had an underwhelming performance during the holidays. So, despite lots of advertising, it has been a commercial flop. None of the WP phones even offer LTE speeds nor do they support multi-core processors. WP may get to be competitive at some time, but it would not be any time soon.

In November, I had to get a new phone. I examined very carefully WP7.5 and Android phones and decided to buy an Android (The Galaxy SII Skyrocket). In fact, I believe that you would have reached the same decision. If you are presented with a phone with very limited customization capability, no expandability, no access to the file system versus one that has all these and much more (almost infinite customization capability, additional storage, true multitasking, LTE speeds, dual-core processor, etc, etc) why pick up the first? It makes no sense. WP7 is not Windows, it is a new and very closed OS.
 

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It's the same reason as the Windows Phone argument, it's purely different. It can go against the android and win in the major categories of practicality and design. With an android, you get a jailbroken iphone with a crap ton of apps and crap ton of questionable apps that might be trying to get your banking info. With an iphone, you get something that hasn't geneuinly changed since 2006 OTHER than the app store. You still get the main basic apps, and you have a store to buy apps that make up for the lack of features. With a Windows Phone 7, you get something that is truly original, not a copycat build, not something that won't change. You get a device that is actually smart at keeping you connected with people. You'd think by now that would be obvious with smartphones, but not so. You also get the fastest growing app marketplace among them. In 15 or so months of the Windows Phone Marketplace, there are over 50,000 apps. It took iOS 12, it took android 18 months. Better proposition in my rational opinion.

Sorry, but the above indicates total ignorance of iOS 5.0 and Android. I doubt that you have used these OSes at all. If you knew even the basics about Android, you would have known that it can do much of the same thing as WP7 through widgets and hubs. It so happens that it is up to the user to select what to run. iOS has also a certain level of integration.

On the other hand, WP7 is visually uninteresting. Have you ever used it? I have. Beyond the opening screen of squares, there is nothing, just a long list of apps. In fact, any integration is just skin-deep and some is not even there. There is very limited customisability and there is no access to the file system or capability of attaching more storage. Nor can you "sideload" apps (which you can easily do in Android). It does not support most modern hardware. So, if you are such a great supporter, why would you choose it over Android?

In addition, let me inform you that you need to "root" Android phones as you "jailbreak" an iPhone.
 

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