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Right, I did that. But initially the VMDK is only 2.56MB. And how is the Macrium recovery program going to work with that. Plus I have not figured out how to mount that VMDK so that Macrium recovery can see it. Disk Management cannot deal with it. Is there a way to define a true VHD in VMware.
The disk is dynamic so the 2.56MB is only important (statistically) for the host. The VM will see the total (virtual) capacity, way larger of course.

It will work on it.

Why do you need static disks because dynamic ones grow in size rather than use the whole size from begin.
I understand all that. My problem is different. I need a VHD big enough to be able to dump a Macrium image of the Win8 system into it. Hopefully I will be able to mount it. Then I can resize it.
 

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Hello Wolfgang,

You should be able to select "Store virtual disk as a single file" and set the maximum size you want at step 7 for that. If you did, then the size will grow up to your max.
That's right Shawn.

What he needs here, if I see that correctly, is a static fully allocated disk.
In Player version 5 we are able to do that: (adding a new disk)

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This can be done in a new VM or existing VM and the disk can be used anywhere.

I prefer the default (dynamic) method because it doesn't use all space when not needed.
But the static one has better performance so it seems. :)

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I wonder whether the performance on a SSD really makes a difference.
 

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Oh yes. A VM runs much smoother and quicker when running from a SSD vs HDD.
 

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I got stuck with the mounting. Nothing works. The VMware Mount program does not install. The other program only mounts itty bitty files unless you pay them $49. I tried a few other avenues and got stuck every time. I guess I am at the end of the line.
 

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That stinks. :(
 

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I am trying now to convert the .vmdk to a .vhd. But it is not easy to find a suitable program either. All I have checked out for now had strings attached.
 

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I am trying now to convert the .vmdk to a .vhd. But it is not easy to find a suitable program either. All I have checked out for now had strings attached.
That's indeed annoying. That's one of the reasons why Player is free.

Sorry to bring this back but VirtualBox is able to convert that.

You can use CloneVDIGUI as a GUI program instead of the command line VBoxManage.
-add the VMDK and "change image format to" VHD then you can leave it to fixed.

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The performance between the fixed and dynamic is insignificant on SSD's and I recommend dynamic since the SSD's have smaller sizes that HDD's.
 

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I managed to convert the .vmdk to .vhd with a program that I found on a French site (helps when you can read French, LOL). I then mounted the .vhd and restored the image of my Windows 8 installation into it. Now I have to reconvert the .vhd to .vmdk with the same program. That did not work at first on my Windows 7. I think it is because that part of the program needs Java which I have uninstalled on my Windows 7 (for the well known reasons) . I will now try it on my Windows 8 where I still have Java. Then I can fumble the .vmdk back into my test virtual machine. Hopefully that will work.

If you want to download the program, here is the site. Use the second link (the torrent) for downloading. The program itself is in English.
 

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I managed to convert the .vmdk to .vhd with a program that I found on a French site (helps when you can read French, LOL). I then mounted the .vhd and restored the image of my Windows 8 installation into it. Now I have to reconvert the .vhd to .vmdk with the same program. That did not work at first on my Windows 7. I think it is because that part of the program needs Java which I have uninstalled on my Windows 7 (for the well known reasons) . I will now try it on my Windows 8 where I still have Java. Then I can fumble the .vmdk back into my test virtual machine. Hopefully that will work.

If you want to download the program, here is the site. Use the second link (the torrent) for downloading. The program itself is in English.
Good to know other options exist. Thanks for the link. :)
 

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You are welcome. Right now I reconvert the .vhd to .vmdk on my Windows 8. This time it works. It was apparently the Java problem on my Windows 7.
 

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@ Shawn, I noticed that VMware does not seem to recognize eSata. When I turn my eSata disk on, it goes into Windows 7 and not into the active Winndows 8 guest. Maybe that's worth mentioning somewhere. I still have to test whether USB3 works as specified.
 

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Holy macro, I should have thought about this earlier. After mucking around with images, VNDKs, VHDs and alike for 2 days in order to find a path to carry my VMware Windows 8 to Germany, I was very disappointed that nothing worked (but I learned some in the process).

Now it was time to regroup. I copied the VMware folder to an external USB3 attached SSD and opened that with the VMware control panel. It noticed immediately that this was a moved folder and did some configuration adjustments automatically. Then it opened my Windows 8 as usual and went merrily along. I was even impressed with the performance from the external Mushkin.

Now the big question is whether that will also work on another system. Over the weekend I will set it up on my laptop and see whether it will also do the adjustments. Then there is still the question whether I do not run into activation problems - especially when I set it up in Germany with a different IP address. So there is still 'du pain sur la planche' - as the French would say - that reads:'work to be done', in Argot which is a French slang.
 

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I should have thought of that Wolfgang. I moved my VMs to another disk recently.
 

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I noticed that VMware does not seem to recognize eSata. When I turn my eSata disk on, it goes into Windows 7 and not into the active Windows 8 guest. Maybe that's worth mentioning somewhere. I still have to test whether USB3 works as specified.
Virtually only SCSI and IDE are supported no SATA but only SAS (Serial SCSI) and have better reliability performance than SATA and IDE.

It should be the same with eSATA: not supported as virtual connector.

However all our external SATAs (real disks, not in a VM) are supported if you "add external drive" (advanced) in the VM settings by disk. I didn't tested this with an eSATA here (don't have any).

USB3.0 works very well in VMware. :)

-----Just a tip-----
Increasing performance in older VM's: switch from IDE to SCSI:
If you have some older VMs with OSes like 2000, XP and XP x64, Server 2003 and you need SCSI or SAS drivers (sometimes they are not included) then you'll have to search for them on the LSI's site, the main SCSI manufacturer.

LSI drivers XP + Server 2003

For a new OS you normally hit F6 during install with a vmware driver floppy:
VMware: Installing Windows XP on ESX using LSI Logic driver « Beheer

Otherwise you install with the default IDE and then, on the VM desktop you add a SCSI controller (hot-swapable) which will install a driver and here (if unavailable) you can specify the driver from the first link.

I've moved for the default IDE and it works a bit faster. I was inspired by Win7's performance which already uses SCSI and SAS in a VM by default.
-----end of tip-----

Good luck with the VM moves.
 

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Now I have a strange problem.

Originally I assigned only 25GB for the VMware partition (single file, dynamic). Then I extended it to 40GB. That shows 40GB now in the VMware settings. But in Windows 8 on VMware it shows only the 25GB - both in Computer and in Disk Management of Windows 8. What am I missing.
 

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I think Windows must be remembering the size of the disk. I had the same problem with a Linux disk that I extended. I never did get to the bottom of it.
 

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Now I have a strange problem.

Originally I assigned only 25GB for the VMware partition (single file, dynamic). Then I extended it to 40GB. That shows 40GB now in the VMware settings. But in Windows 8 on VMware it shows only the 25GB - both in Computer and in Disk Management of Windows 8. What am I missing.
Odd that is doesn't show as unallocated space in the VM's Disk Management.

VMware Player - Expand Virtual Machine Hard Disk - Windows 7 Forums
 

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Thanks Shawn. I did exactly like the tutorial says. But at first, the unallocated space did not show up. Now it does and I extended the partition.

Maybe it had to do with the fact that I run from the USB port. Maybe that's what the 2 minute adjustment was that VMware was doing when I shut down first time. See here (post 964): Show us your SSD performance 2 - Page 97 - Windows 7 Forums
 

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