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Virtual Machine Warning


#1
Folks, I'm going to be accused of being a liar, an idiot, or an insane genius, but...

I installed the 8 Preview on the Oracle Virtual Machine today. When it wanted to reboot, it rebooted my entire computer, and BEFORE completing the start-up, tried to erase Windows 7 and install the 8 preview over it. I had already removed the installation disk. After five minutes of fighting, the installer gave up and spent another five minutes re-installing 7.

I have always read that a virtual machine cannot harm your computer, but that statement is not true.
 

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#2
Strange. Were you using a real DVD or an ISO for the installation? If you were using a real DVD and your real PC crashed then it would boot from the DVD if that is first in your boot order.
 

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#3
Hi Vince,

It's the first time I heard something like this. I use VirtualBox and never had an issue with restarts.

If you don't know what caused the problem (use the latest Virtualbox to make sure: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads) follow the Virtualisation tutorials here on the forum: Windows 8 Tutorials. Careful configure the vm: not all settings work, and diffrent operatng systems need diffrent settings. Sometimes VT-x is required on your processor (mostly when running x64 vm's). Some folks recommend VT-x for running Win8 (I never tested it without, can't tell if it works that way).

I have always read that a virtual machine cannot harm your computer, but that statement is not true.
I don't agree with this sentence until I see some proof. I don't know if it was the vm that made the host system flip. Never saw this happen.

Good luck

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#4
Hi Vince,

It's the first time I heard something like this. I use VirtualBox and never had an issue with restarts.
I have try about all the VM desktop hosted solutions, including also ESXI and Hyper-V servers hosted one, and I never see a such mess.
 

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    Gskill 4x4 GB
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    C:\Intel series 520 SSD , 250 GB
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#5
Folks, I have never heard or read about something like this either, but I watched it happen to me. I was using an ISO burned onto a DVD, and I had the ISO in my hand when this happened. The 8 Preview was (and still is) installed on an Oracle Virtual Machine.

Incidentally, it is running very well.
 

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#6
I'm running Win 3.11, Win ME, Vista, Win 8 and Ubuntu in mine with no probs.

Certainly, I've never struck that one before....
 

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#7
Next time install in vBox from the .iso file, not from a DVD.
 

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#9
Next time install in vBox from the .iso file, not from a DVD.
That's what I had tried to do. But at one point, the VM wanted me to tell it where the ISO file was, and the only choice it gave me was my DVD drive.
I have never seen that and I use vBox since 5 years with many installations. You must not have used the little icon that allows you to scroll thru your files.
 

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#10
This is what you should get.

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#11
Vince do you have dual booting on this PC before you try to install Windows 8 ?
 

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    Gskill 4x4 GB
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    4 x HD 7970
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    C:\Intel series 520 SSD , 250 GB
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#14
Oh, THAT little icon!
Yes. It is normal to load your ISO there before starting the VM for installation. I guess that if you don't it will default to your DVD drive.
 

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    Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 330 @ 2.13GHz
    Motherboard
    Hewlett-Packard 1425
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    8 GB DDR3
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    Intel(R) HD Graphics
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    Builtin
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    1366 x 768 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz
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#15
Vince do you have dual booting on this PC before you try to install Windows 8 ?
Yes, one for 64-bit 7 and one for 32-bit XP.
I don't use the Oracle software, but i will not be surprise you install the VM in the physic drive instead of a VHD , I go try it to see if you can do this.
 

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    i7-3960X Extreme Edition
    Motherboard
    Rampage IV Extreme
    Memory
    Gskill 4x4 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    4 x HD 7970
    Sound Card
    onboard
    Screen Resolution
    2560*1600
    Hard Drives
    C:\Intel series 520 SSD , 250 GB
    D:\ WD 750 black with Intel 40gb SSD cache Intel RST
    E:\ WD 2TB Black
    PSU
    Corsair AX 1200
    Case
    TT Mozart TX
    Cooling
    Water Cooled
    Keyboard
    Logitech G-15
    Other Info
    Windows 8 VM is install on his own SSD.
#16
.[/QUOTE]

I don't use the Oracle software, but i will not be surprise you install the VM in the physic drive instead of a VHD , I go try it to see if you can do this.[/QUOTE]

Well, Area 66, if we never hear from you again, we'll know that it worked.
 

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#17
Vince, what you are telling us is simply not possible.

The most probable scenario:
You not knowing how to set a vm to install from ISO tells you are not so experienced in VirtualBox. You started your new vm, entered DVD and clicked Next or OK or whatever, so instead of starting an installation on your vm as you thought, you started on installation on your Windows 7 desktop. This led to reboot, as always when installing Windows.

I do not want to offend you, just stating the facts: What you told was happening is not possible. This is a typical error caused by user.

Kari
 

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#18
You started your new vm, entered DVD and clicked Next or OK or whatever, so instead of starting an installation on your vm as you thought, you started on installation on your Windows 7 desktop. This led to reboot, as always when installing Windows.
You get it.... of course when he put the DVD it's start the Install. I don't think about it because I always install from an iso on my HD, no need to burn a DVD.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8 enterprise x64
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Pc-Quebec / Area 66
    CPU
    i7-3960X Extreme Edition
    Motherboard
    Rampage IV Extreme
    Memory
    Gskill 4x4 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    4 x HD 7970
    Sound Card
    onboard
    Screen Resolution
    2560*1600
    Hard Drives
    C:\Intel series 520 SSD , 250 GB
    D:\ WD 750 black with Intel 40gb SSD cache Intel RST
    E:\ WD 2TB Black
    PSU
    Corsair AX 1200
    Case
    TT Mozart TX
    Cooling
    Water Cooled
    Keyboard
    Logitech G-15
    Other Info
    Windows 8 VM is install on his own SSD.

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#19
I agree with Kari

If you click the right buttons on the right windows all should be alright.

Be careful where you click.


Hopachi
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 x64
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP Envy DV6 7250
    CPU
    Intel i7-3630QM
    Motherboard
    HP, Intel HM77 Express Chipset
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel HD4000 + Nvidia Geforce 630M
    Sound Card
    IDT HD Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6' built-in + Samsung S22D300 + 17.3' LG Phillips
    Screen Resolution
    multiple resolutions
    Hard Drives
    Samsung SSD 250GB + Hitachi HDD 750GB
    PSU
    120W adapter
    Case
    small
    Cooling
    laptop cooling pad
    Keyboard
    Backlit built-in + big one in USB
    Mouse
    SteelSeries Sensei
    Internet Speed
    slow and steady
    Browser
    Chromium, Pale Moon, Firefox Developer Edition
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    That's basically it.

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