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This could be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

I’ve been trying out the Consumer Preview for a couple of days now and it looks as though MS have chosen to make using the desktop UI in Windows we all know as difficult and frustrating as possible. On logging in for the first time you are confronted with the Metro start screen. It then takes ages to find things like the Network Centre, Control Panel, Windows Explorer etc. as they are not on the initial Metro start screen. You have to hunt around the entire OS to find them and then either make shortcuts to the Metro UI or pin them to the desktop taskbar to access them quickly. MS have also deliberately removed the old ‘Start’ button from the bottom left hand corner of the desktop screen, making it a nightmare to navigate anywhere if you want to quickly open a programme that is not pinned to your desktop taskbar. This makes trying to work productively a complete joke. Whoever thought that removing the START button from the desktop screen was a good idea should be taken out and publicly flogged and pelted with rotten vegetables. A decision some brainless cretin at MS seems to have made.

As for the Metro UI start screen, it works well on a mobile phone or tablet maybe but certainly not in the desktop environment. You can no longer simply install shortcuts to programmes on your desktop screen, they get placed on MS’s new Metro start screen, a screen designed specifically for tablets and touch screen monitors in combination with swipe movements on the touchscreen. The entire Metro UI is designed for swiping across the screen on a tablet, not for desktop use with keyboard and mouse. There is no option to turn off the Metro UI and just use the familiar Windows desktop UI with Start button in the bottom left hand corner most Windows users are used to.

As for trying to shut down your computer in Windows 8, it took me a search on Google to work out how to shut down the computer in Windows 8. Shutdown Windows 8 Consumer Preview « FAQforge Unbelievably user unfriendly.

This is going to be a disaster for Microsoft, a bigger flop than Vista ever was. I already dislike Windows 8 and that’s only after 2 days of using it with a keyboard and mouse. No company in their right mind is going to buy this nonsensical operating system when it comes to IT productivity and ease of use. What on Earth are Microsoft thinking? That companies will all dump their desktop computers and buy tablets with a 7″screen to use Windows 8 in the workplace and pay for a lot of IT training so employees can find their way around this horror? I really don’t think so. Excel spreadsheets and writing long reports in Word on a 7 or 10 inch screen with touchscreen keyboard. Nice experience? Mmm, Idon’t think so. More like buy Windows 8 and lose lots of money through a lack of productivity.

So far, using Windows 8 is turning out to be the most frustrating and unenjoyable experience I’ve ever had on a desktop computer. MS have got a lot of work to do in order to make Windows 8 user friendly enough for those who prefer desktop computing to get any productive work done.

If this is the future of Microsoft Windows it looks as though I’ll either be sticking with Windows 7, or I’ll be switching to Linux. By the looks of it I wont be in the minority. Welcome to Vista 2 from Microsoft.
 
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It will flop due to false information spread by stupid people. Windows 8 is a new OS which requires re-learning and is too much trouble for dopes.
 

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Changing from any version to something newer is always a learning curve. But how MS went about this type of major gui change is what will meet with rejection by many and make it flop more then anything else.

The rest is when someone gets 8 on and then wants to revert back to the previous version they were running from a huge disappointment. It's not so much "finding your way around" as it is the additional steps needed in order to take care of the common tasks you do regularly making the experience one to regret. It's best labeled as "Awkward" for the most part.

The market depends on satifying the customer or it simply doesn't sell. It won't matter how good or bad something is if the consumer isn't getting what they are looking for in any way, shape, or form. With Vista people simply didn't understand that Windows grew in size as MS realized finally and came out with MinWin kernel to replace the bloat rep the previous version saw.

But at the same time people weren't paying attention to the improvements in stablility and security for that version. And would you believe many have gone back to Vista after being disappointed with 7?! You can be sure they will be less likely to even look at 8 upon seeing the gui upheaval.
 

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It will flop due to false information spread by stupid people. Windows 8 is a new OS which requires re-learning and is too much trouble for dopes.

And just what makes you think you're so smart?
 

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It will flop due to false information spread by stupid people. Windows 8 is a new OS which requires re-learning and is too much trouble for dopes.

Don't think it's fair to call many of the folks stupid people and in my experience re-learning is never a problem provided there are some real world benefits. Those benefits vary from individual to individual hence some are going to implement 8 and others will not. MS IMO have failed to get across those benefits to the ordinary desktop/laptop user.

I'm sure if you're in the market for a phone/tablet then maybe MS will do well. Only time will tell on that one. Where MS made it's biggest mistake was to remove the option for either 'classic' or 'metro' UI at install time. By going down this route they automatically alienated a huge number of people. MS are suffering from fruit company envy. They've seen how much Apple earn from downloaded apps and they also want a slice of the cloud computing market. I have no interest in downloading apps or cloud computing.

I don't have a problem with companies making a profit as without profit then development stops and that's not a good scenario for any of us. But to try and force feed a UI that many do not want is extremely poor market research. MS are living in a bubble over this and time will tell. To suggest though that it will fail due to 'stupid' people and 'dopes' is neither fair or reasonable.

There are many experienced contributors to this forum and whatever their opinion, I wouldn't call them stupid.
 
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The thread starter pined quite well most of the issues on this biggest downgrade ever, worse that Vista’s. You may like it, agree or not, but they are hard facts. However he just missed one point: this OS is simply a marketing hoax. MS is losing grip on the market because their portables are selling far behind other brands. They planned this OS in order to attract customers to buy their products. Just look at this objectively. They are doomed to fail and will have to look for other strategies. This OS does have many updates to follow communication advances and modernization methods and facilities, but it is a real downgrade in all other ways.

Regarding the controversial tiles menu, they don’t even give an option to customers, just make you accept it. The tiles menu is clearly exceptionally good for small hand-held portables, but not appropriate for desktops. Other opinions are just that. Don’t agree? Just wait and the time will show you. Fortunately, that can be corrected with applications like Classic Shell, Pokki, StartMenu X and others, but no option is given from MS because they want to push people hard.

Windows 95 was a big change also, but immediately accepted by everyone because everything in it was intuitive, better and well conceived. Now we are facing something that is nothing of that. So the problem is not because people has to get used to it. Everyone always accept and almost immediately get used to progress, but this is downgrade in every way, like graphics, accessibility, configuration and personalization to name just those immediately jumping at you.

By the way, Free Software Foundation marked their presence at MS big show in NY and many have received their e-mail as follows.

Our volunteer, Tristan Chambers, was there and caught the whole thing on camera! Pictures here: GNUs trick-or-treat at Windows 8 launch — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software.
Reporters and security guards at the event weren't sure how to react when they were greeted by a real, live gnu. The gnu -- which, on closer inspection, was an activist in a gnu suit -- had come for some early trick-or-treating. But instead of candy, she had free software for the eager journalists. The gnu and the FSF campaigns team handed out dozens of copies of Trisquel, a fully free GNU/Linux distribution, along with press releases and stickers. Once they got over their confusion, the reporters were happy to see us and hear our message -- that Windows 8 is a downgrade, not an upgrade, because it steals users' freedom, security and privacy.
Free software operating systems are the real upgrade, and they don't need a zillion-dollar launch event to prove it. To show Microsoft that their ads won't change our minds, we're starting an upgrade pledge: switch to a free OS, or if you're already using one, help a friend switch. We can pay Microsoft a chunk of change for their new, proprietary OS, or we can stand up for our freedom. The choice isn't as hard as Microsoft wants you to think.
Sign the pledge now! -- Pledge to Upgrade to Free Software — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software
And yes, there is a privacy ultrage on pushing pub into the OS. We are yet to see how the European Union will take that abuse. They have already taken decisions against not so shouting matters like browser choice (as was pushed by Micrsoft IE), tracking cookies and permanent login (eg:. Yahoo).
 

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I have no problem with learning how to use new programs. However the metro UI is the equivalent of installing cancer cells for my OS. Its not a case of simply learning how to use it, it is absolutely terrible to use.

Moving my mouse cursor to a corner is far less practical and much slower than simply having a start button on the task bar with all the same functions would be. Most of the time I move my cursor to the corner and nothing even happens. Another bad thing is that if you do open a metro screen app, theres no way to close it other than using task killer (no X button to click to close like a window, escape key doesnt work, and getting back to the start screen takes 20x longer than it should do).
 

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The main problem of Windows 8 is this guy, he don't understand that our desktop is not what he hold in his hand, Windows 8 will be great if the Metro Crap Start Page will be re sizable and can run in a window with also re sizable icon , but look at hin, he is too much in his bubble to think about other peoples and he is actually see him self as the next Steve Jobs , wait the boar of Microsoft see the sales he will need a new job

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One may or may not like Metro.

I don't care.

What I don't like is MS trying to control everything - removing choices.

If they get away with this - the future looks very bleak.
 

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SIW2 , the futur ? , this is what I post on another forum, and it explain why Microsoft panic



Google is killing the PC and Microsoft.


It's not for nothing that Microsoft try since many years to win the search engine war: For many years Microsoft sell OS, Offices and other software for individual PCs, they make billions with it. Early as 2005 Bill Gates realize than one day peoples will stop to use PC and they will use utilities like cloud computing, look at what happen after, Microsoft race against Google, they lost. Google release Android making company sell millions of Android phones, Microsoft lost the market and not try desperately to regain the market by forcing peoples to use a Phone interface in their PC( Windows 8 ) . Microsoft try Office 365, but it cost more than Google Apps and even more if you want a version of Office with it. So now Microsoft is in the race for the Cloud domination, they are few step at the back of Google. Even Valve realize that, it's not for nothing they want to port their games to Linux because if Google and Microsoft succeed to kill the PC, nothing will be left for Valve ( Steam ) to make money.

Think about it in a not so far future, you may rents all your software for you cloud terminals , play all your game on a console cloud terminals, the PC will be extinct, like the typewriter and the vacuum tube.
 

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Windows 8 is a new OS which requires re-learning and is too much trouble for dopes.
Some people are of the opinion that anyone who buys W8 is a dope, and if that's correct nobody will ever be able to use it! Guess that includes me cos I just bought it ... and paid $149 for Pro OEM Disk. And as Max out of 'Get Smart' would say: And loving it! ... with hacked Orb Start Menu and Explorer 7. :redcarded:
 

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SIW2 , the futur ? , this is what I post on another forum, and it explain why Microsoft panic



Google is killing the PC and Microsoft.


It's not for nothing that Microsoft try since many years to win the search engine war: For many years Microsoft sell OS, Offices and other software for individual PCs, they make billions with it. Early as 2005 Bill Gates realize than one day peoples will stop to use PC and they will use utilities like cloud computing, look at what happen after, Microsoft race against Google, they lost. Google release Android making company sell millions of Android phones, Microsoft lost the market and not try desperately to regain the market by forcing peoples to use a Phone interface in their PC( Windows 8 ) . Microsoft try Office 365, but it cost more than Google Apps and even more if you want a version of Office with it. So now Microsoft is in the race for the Cloud domination, they are few step at the back of Google. Even Valve realize that, it's not for nothing they want to port their games to Linux because if Google and Microsoft succeed to kill the PC, nothing will be left for Valve ( Steam ) to make money.

Think about it in a not so far future, you may rents all your software for you cloud terminals , play all your game on a console cloud terminals, the PC will be extinct, like the typewriter and the vacuum tube.

PC extinct? Rubbish. What about 2560x1600 gaming? What about 24/7 x264/x265 rendering? What about heavy duty production work? We'll always have some form of a PC.

As to the OS, Microsoft can't ignore phones and tablets. They need to have an ecosystem to match Apple especially. To do that they need an OS built for OS's and tablets. While doing that, they need to maintain desktop users. I challenge anyone in this thread. to come up with a better UI - you can't. Its too hard. They are two separate worlds but Microsoft needs both to survive. I say as a first try its decent. I will be interested in how Win 9 turns out.
 

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the flatter ui of the desktop was a welcome change but it could have used a little more refinement.

should this be "File Explorer"?
 

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the name of the application is explorer.exe , in Windows 7 it was call Windows Explorer and in Windows 8 it's call now files explorer in the menu but in the task manager they call it Windows Explorer, they really have a problem at Microsoft.

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Microsoft need to keep both the Tablet and Desktop/Laptop PC market alive, I like the UI but I do think it would have been better if Microsoft had released this as a Tablet edition and another OS for standard PC users which still focuses on the good old desktop UI.
 

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Metro is ok for a Windows 8 desktop, they just have to make it re sizable and in a window. But it's too hard to understand for mister vanity Steven Sinofsky
 

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Microsoft need to keep both the Tablet and Desktop/Laptop PC market alive, I like the UI but I do think it would have been better if Microsoft had released this as a Tablet edition and another OS for standard PC users which still focuses on the good old desktop UI.

I used to think that way too when I first started using 8. I thought, well, maybe there should be an option to bypass, an optional start menu, an option for no metro. But the arguments are all over the map. No nested menus, I can't find things, Where is Microsoft taking us...

my focus is always, primarily, on the good ol desktop UI. Can't do much without it. Cannot see a tablet version on a system with 8GB of memory, 10 terabytes of storage, high powered graphics and multi monitors. Despite the naysayers, the gloom and doomers, anti touch crowd, and cloud conspiracy theorists, the combination of WinRT and Win32, is to coin a phrase, an equitable arrangement.
After using it for a problem free year, 8 works.

Windows 8 is a new OS which requires re-learning and is too much trouble for dopes.
 

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    Rosewill Silent Night 500W Fanless / PicoPSU
    Case
    open bench - no case enclosure
    Cooling
    Silverstone HEO2 Passive Silent
    Keyboard
    logitech washable K310
    Mouse
    logitech wired
    Browser
    ie / maxthon
    Other Info
    Totally silent. No fans at all.

HippsieGypsie

It's Gururrrrrr8!
Windows 8 is a new OS which requires re-learning and is too much trouble for dopes.
Some people are of the opinion that anyone who buys W8 is a dope, and if that's correct nobody will ever be able to use it! Guess that includes me cos I just bought it ... and paid $149 for Pro OEM Disk. And as Max out of 'Get Smart' would say: And loving it! ... with hacked Orb Start Menu and Explorer 7. :redcarded:

Good for you, Mustang! I sincerely mean that! I realize all will not like 8 out of the box. I'm glad you sought your own way. Goes to show that you can't always get what you want, but you can surely get what you need. :thumbup:
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1 Pro X64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer T690
    CPU
    Intel Pentium D Dual Core
    Motherboard
    Acer/Intel E946GZ
    Memory
    2GB (max upgrade)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3000 - PCI Express x16
    Sound Card
    Integrated RealTek ALC888 high-definition audio with 7.1 channel audio support
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer AL1917W A LCD
    Screen Resolution
    1440 X 900
    Hard Drives
    350 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.10
    Thumb drives
    PSU
    Standard 250 watt
    Case
    Desktop 7.2" (183mm) W x 17.5" (445mm) L x 14.5"
    Cooling
    Dual case fans + CPU fan
    Keyboard
    Acer Windows PS/2
    Mouse
    Wireless Microsoft Arc
    Internet Speed
    54mbp/s
    Browser
    IE11
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Office Pro 2013 / Nokia Lumia 1520 Windows Phone 8.1DP GDR1

Kat

Banned
I have no problem with learning how to use new programs. However the metro UI is the equivalent of installing cancer cells for my OS. Its not a case of simply learning how to use it, it is absolutely terrible to use.

Moving my mouse cursor to a corner is far less practical and much slower than simply having a start button on the task bar with all the same functions would be. Most of the time I move my cursor to the corner and nothing even happens. Another bad thing is that if you do open a metro screen app, theres no way to close it other than using task killer (no X button to click to close like a window, escape key doesnt work, and getting back to the start screen takes 20x longer than it should do).

I felt the same way, at first.

But, after using it for a year or so, it's second-nature now.

It's not an OS you'll feel immediately at home with, it does take time.

I DO use Classic Start, AND the Start Screen.

Oh, to close a Metro app.....ALT +F4.

And a bottom-left left-click will take you straight to the Start
Screen, and a top-left left-click will take you back to your program.

One click, each way......
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8 Enterprise 64-bit (7 Ult, Vista & XP in V-Box)
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire Ethos AS8951G 'Super-Laptop'.
    CPU
    Intel Sandy-Bridge i7-2670QM quad-core
    Motherboard
    Acer
    Memory
    8GB DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 3000HD / Ge-Force GT555M 2 gigs
    Sound Card
    Realtek/5.1 Dolby built-in including speakers.
    Monitor(s) Displays
    18.4" full-HD
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1024
    Hard Drives
    2x750GB Toshiba internal, 1x500GB Seagate external, 1x2TB Seagate external, 1x640GB Toshiba pocket-drive, 1x640GB Samsung pocket drive.
    PSU
    Stock
    Case
    Laptop
    Cooling
    Air-cooled
    Mouse
    I/R cordless.
    Internet Speed
    Borderline pathetic.

Mustang

New Member
Member
Good for you, Mustang! I sincerely mean that! I realize all will not like 8 out of the box. I'm glad you sought your own way. Goes to show that you can't always get what you want, but you can surely get what you need. :thumbup:
Thanks Hippsie. I felt it was worth the money for the improvements to the OS kernel, despite having to do hacks to get what best suited my way of using Windows. And the hack Ex7ForW8 actually grabs files from W7 installation disc when installing. So you end up with the exact same Orb Start Menu with all functions. You never see "Metro", but can click a toggle switch to turn off Explorer 7 and go back to Explorer 8 with Metro. My only concern is updates might make it inoperative. But even then I think some other alternative will come up. And I was willing to bet my money on that, which was all of $149 with disc.

Cheers M :D :thumb:
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7 Ult Reatil & Win 8 Pro OEM
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Built as DIY
    CPU
    6 core 12 thread & 4 core
    Motherboard
    Inel Extreme & Intel standard
    Memory
    12GB & 8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    3 top end SLI linked & onboard
    Sound Card
    In built in graphics card & onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24 & 23 inch Samsung LED backlit
    Screen Resolution
    High def
    Hard Drives
    Corsair Force 128GB SATA3 SSDs in each machine. Plus several external USB3 and eSATA spinner HDs
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