This will be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

[whs]

I think we all will learn how to live with Windows 8. It is not the end of the world and geeks always find ways to taylor it to their needs.

But I am thinking about the 800 folks of my computer club - practically all folks over 60 years old. 90% of them have no clue how the system works and hardly manage the 10 buttons that they have been taught in extensive classes. When they see Windows 8 for the first time they will think that someone put them on another planet.

I will make the test next Thursday when I run a class for the "advanced" crowd (last of 6x2 hour sessions on Windows 7 features). I plan to give them a presentation of Win 8 for about 45 minutes and ask for their initial opinion. I will do my best to be as positive and factual as possible. I am open minded towards Win 8 and think it is fun to play with it.

 

[lehnerus2000]

The winner is going to be ...

To be honest I would LOVE if Ubuntu or some other distro could replace Windows. Who knows, with the way mobile development is going and Ubuntu for Android, maybe it will some day.

The winner is going to be the software maker who produces the best:

• Desktop OS (for stationary users).
• Mobile OS (for mobile users).

I don't think that the two types are compatible.
I think that W8 will probably be good on a phone or tablet (not that I'm likely to buy either).

 

[Spaisekraft]

To be honest I would LOVE if Ubuntu or some other distro could replace Windows. Who knows, with the way mobile development is going and Ubuntu for Android, maybe it will some day.

The winner is going to be the software maker who produces the best:

• Desktop OS (for stationary users).
• Mobile OS (for mobile users).

I don't think that the two types are compatible.
I think that W8 will probably be good on a phone or tablet (not that I'm likely to buy either).

Have you checked out Ubuntu for Android yet? I think that fits your description perfectly (Not just right now, but eventually). With ridiculously powerful phones coming out, quad core 1.5GHz with over a gig of ram, etc, Ubuntu for Android will run like a breeze. I think having access to all your mobile games and apps in a desktop environment like Ubuntu will help a LOT of people who would never even consider Linux make the switch.

 

[lehnerus2000]

No I haven't

Have you checked out Ubuntu for Android yet?

For Desktop users I agree this is very Counter intuitive but surely every man and his dog as has least ONE and probably TWO phones so people must be used to this way of working ...

Sorry.
I have less than "ONE and probably TWO phones".
I don't need one and I'm certainly not paying (a minimum of) $30/month to have one.

No I haven't.

The thought of trying to use a phone to create a database, document or spreadsheet, fills me with indescribable feelings of horror.

 

[WindowsStar]

Originally Posted by Spaisekraft

I remember during the early previews with W7 everyone was saying it was terrible and windows had doomed itself and it wasn't any better than vista.

I don't know where you were at the time. I have lived thru the whole Win7 Beta and never heard such a statement. If I remember right, there was nothing but praise. Maybe there were a few guys that made derogative comments who only knew Win7 from hearsay - the same crowd like the one in the Mojave project.

+1 I never heard any bad things about Windows 7 while testing and I was in it from the very start.

 

[Spaisekraft]

Originally Posted by Spaisekraft

I remember during the early previews with W7 everyone was saying it was terrible and windows had doomed itself and it wasn't any better than vista.

I don't know where you were at the time. I have lived thru the whole Win7 Beta and never heard such a statement. If I remember right, there was nothing but praise. Maybe there were a few guys that made derogative comments who only knew Win7 from hearsay - the same crowd like the one in the Mojave project.

+1 I never heard any bad things about Windows 7 while testing and I was in it from the very start.

You can go google early reviews and find people complaining about W7 almost as bad as people complain about W8. It's there, it happened, and it happened frequently.

 

[Coke Robot]

I must disagree. Microsoft has decided to intentionally risk their entire Windows brand for the sake of radical change. Windows 95 was the last radical change for Windows and further versions only evolved the Start menu and Taskbar UI. Windows 8 throws much of that out. They obviously realize that it's going to be a risk, and it's going to be difficult for users to relearn a few things and find out the newer ways to do things are actually easier than they realize.

But honestly, if you look through the past few months of threads here, you'll already see the debate of metro vs. no metro. Windows 8 is just like 95, people had to relearn things. I find Windows 8 to be refreshing and new, though I find the Consumer Preview to have some grievances, like having to use the touch way of using the Charms and not actually clicking on the new Start logo on the bottom left. There will be the initial resistance, but people change....

 

[vrosa]

I must disagree. Microsoft has decided to intentionally risk their entire Windows brand for the sake of radical change. Windows 95 was the last radical change for Windows and further versions only evolved the Start menu and Taskbar UI. Windows 8 throws much of that out. They obviously realize that it's going to be a risk, and it's going to be difficult for users to relearn a few things and find out the newer ways to do things are actually easier than they realize.

But honestly, if you look through the past few months of threads here, you'll already see the debate of metro vs. no metro. Windows 8 is just like 95, people had to relearn things. I find Windows 8 to be refreshing and new, though I find the Consumer Preview to have some grievances, like having to use the touch way of using the Charms and not actually clicking on the new Start logo on the bottom left. There will be the initial resistance, but people change....

Agreed. Windows 8 is much diferent from what we now as OSes, and Microsoft knows that, and that's the point: they arent in the track of another Windows ME or Windows Vista.

 

[Spaisekraft]

I must disagree. Microsoft has decided to intentionally risk their entire Windows brand for the sake of radical change. Windows 95 was the last radical change for Windows and further versions only evolved the Start menu and Taskbar UI. Windows 8 throws much of that out. They obviously realize that it's going to be a risk, and it's going to be difficult for users to relearn a few things and find out the newer ways to do things are actually easier than they realize.

But honestly, if you look through the past few months of threads here, you'll already see the debate of metro vs. no metro. Windows 8 is just like 95, people had to relearn things. I find Windows 8 to be refreshing and new, though I find the Consumer Preview to have some grievances, like having to use the touch way of using the Charms and not actually clicking on the new Start logo on the bottom left. There will be the initial resistance, but people change....

I don't think Microsoft is done tweaking the interface for desktop users yet. I'd be really surprised if they were.

 

[Vertex]

Defenders of the Metro would often use the argument that its like Windows 95 that was a radical risky change but right now, times have changed. It still won't change the fact that the Metro screen blocks everything on the Desktop once launched getting in the way as I view the things going on in there like my opened Desktop programs. However, having Desktop shortcuts or items pinned on the Taskbar will lessen this headache but still, I miss the old Start Menu because there are things I still like to do in it that I feel are easier and takes less space than doing in the Metro and I miss the old Start button, as I'm not a fan of the one on the Charms bar.

Windows 8 will be in a few months but I feel it won't be as successful as Windows 7 but not as bad as Vista. Anyways, what I would like MS to do with this is that they should still give the user the end choice of making Metro optional and still have the old Start button where it used to be without installing anything third-party like Vistart and how about adding formal close and minimize buttons on Metro apps so they will have some advantage over other tablet apps on other tablet OSs?

 

[area 66]

.To be honest I would LOVE if Ubuntu or some other distro could replace Windows. Who knows, with the way mobile development is going and Ubuntu for Android, maybe it will some day.

Until peoples have to jungle with the terminal to install some applications it will not happen, if peoples have hard time to learn Windows 8, they will not get around the "sudo- "

 

[HPDeskjet]

This already looks worrying. Every single comment in the 'Comments Section' is negative. Redmond has a problem by the looks of things.
https://www.pcworld.com/businesscen...g_around_the_windows_8_beta_with_a_mouse.html

Metro breakdown! Windows 8 UI is little gain for lots of pain ? The Register

 

[area 66]

if you use it with 2or 3 monitors, it's very productive

first pic, I have all my programs at the tips of my mouse

second pic , the new mail is amazing, it's easy to read, no need to open an email. I can work and I can read my email at same time

 

[Spaisekraft]

This already looks worrying. Every single comment in the 'Comments Section' is negative. Redmond has a problem by the looks of things.
https://www.pcworld.com/businesscen...g_around_the_windows_8_beta_with_a_mouse.html

Metro breakdown! Windows 8 UI is little gain for lots of pain ? The Register

Like the top recommended comment on that site says, I just don't get why people are having so much trouble. I've always launched stuff by clicking their pinned taskbar icon or desktop icon, and hitting windows key + typing the program name and hitting enter for less frequently used programs. The Metro UI hasn't changed a thing for me. I am a big multi tasker and I don't feel hindered.

I don't think I'll ever understand why people dislike not being able to see the desktop while launching a new program, or why they're constantly launching programs from their start menu anyways.

 

[Vertex]

I don't think I'll ever understand why people dislike not being able to see the desktop while launching a new program, or why they're constantly launching programs from their start menu anyways.

I tell you what, its called personal preference. I am thinking the vice versa of this sentimant you just posted but I must admit to myself that everyone has his own taste and I won't insist that my taste or preference should be the same for all. We just like doing things "differently" but those who did not like the new change will have different reasons at some point too.

The loss of the Start button was a huge blow to those of us who loved it. Being on the side who dislike this new design, I am not totally against it but I and many others are hoping that M$ is seing this and listening so that they could make something more favorable to most of us.

 

[Spaisekraft]

I don't think I'll ever understand why people dislike not being able to see the desktop while launching a new program, or why they're constantly launching programs from their start menu anyways.

I tell you what, its called personal preference. I am thinking the vice versa of this sentimant you just posted but I must admit to myself that everyone has his own taste and I won't insist that my taste or preference should be the same for all. We just like doing things "differently" but those who did not like the new change will have different reasons at some point too.

The loss of the Start button was a huge blow to those of us who loved it. Being on the side who dislike this new design, I am not totally against it but I and many others are hoping that M$ is seing this and listening so that they could make something more favorable to most of us.

Yeah I do understand that much lol. I hope that Microsoft includes a way for people to use only the old W7 UI start button and all, because beyond the UI W8 is a really good OS. Lower resource use than W7, better 64 bit support (so I've read), the whole thing is just snappier. So I really hope everyone will be able to experience it with their preferred UI.

 

[Burgurne]

In Metro, how do you see the path to a program. F.I. the new pinball game. In W7 you would rightclick on the icon, and under "properties" you could see the path. Rightclicking on a tile in Metro does nothing, so how do you do that?

I don't have a smart phone nor a tablet PC. I just have a stationary gaming PC, so I'm totally unknown to this sort of interface

 

[HPDeskjet]

Another Windows 8 review. Windows 8: Sugar coating on Microsoft's hard-to-swallow tablet ? The Register

Not all negative.

 

[Vertex]

Yeah I do understand that much lol. I hope that Microsoft includes a way for people to use only the old W7 UI start button and all, because beyond the UI W8 is a really good OS. Lower resource use than W7, better 64 bit support (so I've read), the whole thing is just snappier. So I really hope everyone will be able to experience it with their preferred UI.

I hope they work on that System Reset and System Refresh thing that makes your system fresh again but they must make those possible without the need of inserting the installation media or whatever. I do hope, that they make things that automatically "tidies" up your computer from the inside so it stays in good shape without having you to reinstall it. The need for maintenance and reinstalls are Windows' weakness compared to Macs and Linux that need less maintenance.

 

[jimbo45]

Hi there
What an absolute lot of BOVINE SCATOLOGY is referred to in this thread at various points --usually from journalists who have an axe to grind or that STUPID Gartners organisation which has about as much credibility as a Major Banking institution these days saying they really feel for the small individual customer. !!!

After only 10 Mins I LOVE this edition already and am far more at home with it than almost any previous release of Windows

Of course you need to remove a load of the rubbish stuff from the standard metro apps - just right mouse click and choose remove from Start.

To get a SHORTCUT on to the desktop just choose from the apps OPEN File location -- this will then bring you to the desktop where you can with a right mouse click create a desktop short cut.

navigation is easy from any of the 4 corners of the screen (just think of "The 4 Horsemen of The Apocolypse")

If you want to get quickly back to the desktop from the metro page just hover your mouse to the LEFT HAND bottom of the screen.


To add missing apps to the start screen -- I want the control panel for example -- just search the app in Search, right mouse click and chose add to start.

Can't see what all the fuss is about -- and I am almost old enough to be some peoples Grandad.

I think this will be the best yet (Or as the Brits say "The Dogs Bol---s").

After just 2 hours of using it I'm regarding my W7 system as a piece of outdated Dinosaur technology already !!!!!.


To Burguyne : It's easy

Just Right mouse click on the metro app you want and then choose open file location -- from here you'll be taken to the desktop and folder with the program

You can then send this to your desktop as a short cut in the normal way etc. Enlarge the image to make it clearer.

Screenshot enc

cheers
jimbo