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This could be Microsofts biggest ever flop, far bigger than Vista.

I’ve been trying out the Consumer Preview for a couple of days now and it looks as though MS have chosen to make using the desktop UI in Windows we all know as difficult and frustrating as possible. On logging in for the first time you are confronted with the Metro start screen. It then takes ages to find things like the Network Centre, Control Panel, Windows Explorer etc. as they are not on the initial Metro start screen. You have to hunt around the entire OS to find them and then either make shortcuts to the Metro UI or pin them to the desktop taskbar to access them quickly. MS have also deliberately removed the old ‘Start’ button from the bottom left hand corner of the desktop screen, making it a nightmare to navigate anywhere if you want to quickly open a programme that is not pinned to your desktop taskbar. This makes trying to work productively a complete joke. Whoever thought that removing the START button from the desktop screen was a good idea should be taken out and publicly flogged and pelted with rotten vegetables. A decision some brainless cretin at MS seems to have made.

As for the Metro UI start screen, it works well on a mobile phone or tablet maybe but certainly not in the desktop environment. You can no longer simply install shortcuts to programmes on your desktop screen, they get placed on MS’s new Metro start screen, a screen designed specifically for tablets and touch screen monitors in combination with swipe movements on the touchscreen. The entire Metro UI is designed for swiping across the screen on a tablet, not for desktop use with keyboard and mouse. There is no option to turn off the Metro UI and just use the familiar Windows desktop UI with Start button in the bottom left hand corner most Windows users are used to.

As for trying to shut down your computer in Windows 8, it took me a search on Google to work out how to shut down the computer in Windows 8. Shutdown Windows 8 Consumer Preview « FAQforge Unbelievably user unfriendly.

This is going to be a disaster for Microsoft, a bigger flop than Vista ever was. I already dislike Windows 8 and that’s only after 2 days of using it with a keyboard and mouse. No company in their right mind is going to buy this nonsensical operating system when it comes to IT productivity and ease of use. What on Earth are Microsoft thinking? That companies will all dump their desktop computers and buy tablets with a 7″screen to use Windows 8 in the workplace and pay for a lot of IT training so employees can find their way around this horror? I really don’t think so. Excel spreadsheets and writing long reports in Word on a 7 or 10 inch screen with touchscreen keyboard. Nice experience? Mmm, Idon’t think so. More like buy Windows 8 and lose lots of money through a lack of productivity.

So far, using Windows 8 is turning out to be the most frustrating and unenjoyable experience I’ve ever had on a desktop computer. MS have got a lot of work to do in order to make Windows 8 user friendly enough for those who prefer desktop computing to get any productive work done.

If this is the future of Microsoft Windows it looks as though I’ll either be sticking with Windows 7, or I’ll be switching to Linux. By the looks of it I wont be in the minority. Welcome to Vista 2 from Microsoft.
 
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I have just had a little attempt at winpe 4.0.




I gave up trying to do it from within wcp - the metro ui is a massive hindrance for anything like this.

I ended up doing it from within win 7.

Haven't got everything working as I would like just yet - not surprising - it took me 3 years to get winpe 3.0 ( now 3.1 ) right.

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That's great news, looking forward to it.


The only major flop(s) Microsoft had (in my opinion) were XP (I couldn't wait to get off XP) ...

That would put you in the minority though.
Microsoft's biggest problem during the last 5 years, has been its failure to convince people to stop using XP.

According to Marketshare, XP still has a 42% market share.
That means it is more widely used than Vista and every other desktop OS combined (excluding W7).

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Depends on the stats you look at, StatCounter says Win7 45% and XP 34%.

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My glass is half full, the top half ;)
 

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As an IT Manager I can say that after testing the customer preview, I will not be recommending it's installation across the company until there is an option that allows users to continue to use Windows just as they usually do and have a chance to use or migrate to Metro when WE need it, NOT Microsoft.

The cost of training, the user frustration and efficiency lost will potentially put off a great many businesses.

Whilst under the bonnet (hood), things may well work faster and with greater efficiency, the interface is simply atrocious, not intuitive and will IMO prove to be a great undoing for Microsoft if they continue bullishly in one direction, simply choosing to ignore what so many are telling them.

It surely can't take much effort to build in the option to choose between two potential interfaces?

On a Tablet or Phone, Metro may well work wonderfully and I do get the idea of integration across platforms.

But this should come with a choice for laptop and desktop users.

After all, how many of us are likely to migrate to a Windows phone from our trusty and already easy to use iphone and Android models?

Be very careful Microsoft.

This could really break the bank and the Company.
 

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That must be a problem indeed. For us Geeks it is fun to play with the Metro. But for businesses it means a lot of cost for training and trouble shooting plus a whole lot of employess who will whine because they are completely alienated and are not willing to learn. They want their 3 buttons that they usually click and change is not in the cards for them.

An option for the two modes would definitely be the solution. I would still choose the Metro because I find it really intriguing and fun to use.
 

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I am missing something, if people don't like metro than just run windows 8 in desktop mode, looks and acts just like windows 7, the whole point of this OS is to give people a choice, if you are on a touchscreen tablet or smartphone than use metro interface, if one is on a desktop, than use it in desktop mode like windows 7.

Granted, I don't see much difference between windows 7 and windows 8 in desktop mode, I guess that's the problem, don't see much need to upgrade for that.
 

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I've seen several screenshots showing category titles on the Metro start screen.

How are people creating those category titles? :confused:

Click the magnifying glass in the bottom right hand corner to 'zoom out'. Right click on a tile within a group you wish to categorise then select 'Name Group' from the options at the bottom of the screen.

Thanks for the help. Do you know how to create a NEW group? I have the three Groups with the default install, but I want to make some more. :eek:
 

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I've seen several screenshots showing category titles on the Metro start screen.

How are people creating those category titles? :confused:

Click the magnifying glass in the bottom right hand corner to 'zoom out'. Right click on a tile within a group you wish to categorise then select 'Name Group' from the options at the bottom of the screen.

Thanks for the help. Do you know how to create a NEW group? I have the three Groups with the default install, but I want to make some more. :eek:

Just drag an app to an open part of your screen where no other apps are, it will just start another group, for people on 1920x1080 screen resolution you can have up to 5 groups, 6 if you tweak the settings.
 

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Workers can't escape Windows 8 Metro - Microsoft COO

CIOs reminded productivity soars when fun is eliminated

Windows 8 will help people work harder and faster, argues Microsoft Chief Operating Officer Kevin Turner, because the "immersive" Metro user interface removes all their distractions.
Highlighting business-centric features in the new OS, Turner insists Windows 8's fondness for fondleslabs will boost office productivity. The controversial handheld gadget-friendly Metro UI (described by our Andrew Orlowski as "a huge negative") will be an asset for businesses, Turner reckons, because full-screen apps will immerse workers in their spreadsheets, pushing distractions out of sight and ramping up output.


Full article at:

Workers can't escape Windows 8 Metro - Microsoft COO ? The Register
 

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Workers can't escape Windows 8 Metro - Microsoft COO

CIOs reminded productivity soars when fun is eliminated

Windows 8 will help people work harder and faster, argues Microsoft Chief Operating Officer Kevin Turner, because the "immersive" Metro user interface removes all their distractions.
Highlighting business-centric features in the new OS, Turner insists Windows 8's fondness for fondleslabs will boost office productivity. The controversial handheld gadget-friendly Metro UI (described by our Andrew Orlowski as "a huge negative") will be an asset for businesses, Turner reckons, because full-screen apps will immerse workers in their spreadsheets, pushing distractions out of sight and ramping up output.


Full article at:

Workers can't escape Windows 8 Metro - Microsoft COO ? The Register

LOL. Don't know why they bothered with Windows in the first place then. DOS was already as single-tasking and anti-distractions as it can get.
 

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Just drag an app to an open part of your screen where no other apps are, it will just start another group, for people on 1920x1080 screen resolution you can have up to 5 groups, 6 if you tweak the settings.
You can have as many groups as you want.
I think you mean rows?
 

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That must be a problem indeed. For us Geeks it is fun to play with the Metro. But for businesses it means a lot of cost for training and trouble shooting plus a whole lot of employess who will whine because they are completely alienated and are not willing to learn. They want their 3 buttons that they usually click and change is not in the cards for them.

An option for the two modes would definitely be the solution. I would still choose the Metro because I find it really intriguing and fun to use.

This is exactly how I feel. Personally I really like the CP and will switch to 8 for my personal machines relatively soon after the release.

On the flip side, I'm an IT consultant and will NOT recommend this to my clients because the transition will be a nightmare; costly and time-consuming. I don't know how MS claims that 8 will force users to be more productive when it will probably waste a month's worth of on-the-clock hours for the average employee to learn how to use the OS.
 

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That must be a problem indeed. For us Geeks it is fun to play with the Metro. But for businesses it means a lot of cost for training and trouble shooting plus a whole lot of employess who will whine because they are completely alienated and are not willing to learn. They want their 3 buttons that they usually click and change is not in the cards for them.

An option for the two modes would definitely be the solution. I would still choose the Metro because I find it really intriguing and fun to use.

Good , Bravo, finaly we understand each other......




Windows 8 will help people work harder and faster,

did Microsoft thing peoples are horses ? a wip with that
 

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@cjt20, you must think the average employee is pretty dumb, I dont know maybe you're right. Seems most people on here have got the hang of it in a couple of days, and that's to do stuff most people will never need.
 

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The point is that many of us, especially those of us who, like me, have been using Windows for a LONG
time, have worked out specific ways to do things whivch suit US.

That was ALWAYS one of Windows' big strengths, multiple ways of accomplishing task.

So, we did. A combination of mouse, keyboard, command-line, Start, Quick-Launch, Explorer
(File Manager) etc.

Back then, we ALL had DIFFERENT ways of getting the SAME job done.
Now, we have Metro-supporters putting non-Metro fans down as being
Luddites, or 'won't learn new ways'.

That's offensive and stupid. I learned these things on DOS 5 and Windows 3.0.

Do not assume...

Within 24 hours of the Win 7 beta being released, I was using it as my main OS. Same with
the release candidate.

Run Win 7 Ultimate on one lappy and Win 7 HP 64-bit on this one, have virtuals with Win 95c
Win Me, Vista, MS-DOS/Win 3.11, Ubuntu, XandrOS.

The old P4 runs XP, and is optimised for gaming.

Still own a GEOS-equipped Commodore C64, and still have a PC copy lurking somewhere...

Put me down as much as you like for wanting a Start menu/Quick-launch, if you must.

Says much more about your ignorance, than it does about my skills/abilities.


**EDIT** NOT intended to be offensive, nor is it directed at any particular poster**
 

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It is not a question of smart or dumb. It is a question of focus and priorities.

If you have a building full with 500 accountants, those people are smart. Still, they want to get a job done and are not interested in the intricacies of an operation system. Any change in their work environment is in their way and creates frustrations.
 

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When I first used windows8 didn't care for it much.Using the developer preview I had my misgivings.I have since gotten to really like windows8.However I do not think I'll be upgrading my vast array of computers to to windows8 like I did windows7.
No knock on windows8,so much as windows7 get's the job done.Now if I buy another computer,which could happen then I would get windows8.I like windows 8 but I do not forsee great sales for this OS.
 

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There are about 1 Billion PCs in the world - that sounds like a lot. But Apple alone sold 375 Million iOS mobile devices last year. Why should Win8 on ARM not do the same. Maybe not yet next year, but maybe in 2015.

The joint venture of Microsoft and Nokia alone should yield very high numbers. Nokia is very strong in Europe and Asia and has only been slowing down recently because of the demise of Symbian - awaiting Windows 8. And MS also seems to have many cooperation agreements with the Asian manufacturers of mobile devices. So I would not be too pessimistic.
 

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Even so ...

Depends on the stats you look at, StatCounter says Win7 45% and XP 34%.

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My glass is half full, the top half ;)

Even using your figures, "That means it is more widely used than Vista and every other desktop OS combined (excluding W7)."

I think it's unreasonable to call XP a "flop", based on either set of figures (yours or mine).
I think it would be more reasonable to say, every other OS released after XP, have been "flops" (excluding W7). :)
 

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Start Screen.Why do I now have to scroll sideways for about 3 miles in order to find the programme or app I don't happen to have pinned to my desktop? That is fine for a tablet or mobile but nonsensical for a desktop. WHERE IS THE START BUTTON on the desktop? Oh yes, someone at MS thought it would a great step forward to remove it. Cretins.

You lost all credibility right here. This doesn't even make sense.

Also the Start button is always in the right corner, you just got to hover over it.
 

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I am 83 & at first was confused with Win8, but as I use it I am beginng to use it more.
I have Win8 on a serparte desktop.

I think people who help the "Elderly" are "cool".

Programmers pay little attention to them.

For instance, I am hard of hearing & have poor eyesight, a normal "elderly person".

Recently I tried to register on an MS site & was required to enter the "picture code". I could not decifer the code because of poor sight. It offered to say it in audio, but I am hard of hearing!

It took a long time changing the "Picture Code" displyed to finally get the right interpretation, even with my wife's (also 83) help.

Programmers are a very "Anti Elderly" without thnking, group. They can't program "out of the box".

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