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His recomendation of Ubuntu as an improvement over Windows makes all of his points highly suspect. :/

Not only would it contain all the problems of changing from win7 to win 8 (Completely new interface, nothing where it was in the last version etc, especially since he recommends the version with Unity enabled, an even WORSE implementation of Metro than Metro itself). But in the end, even when you do get it sorted... "What do you mean I can't install my hallmark card studio software?!?". Yeah...
 

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The whole point of the cited article is that "older" hardware can't or won't make the cut. Similar may well be true for "ancient" apps, as well.
The important thing before any upgared is always to check for hardware & software compatibility. That's always been the case.
 

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I think he may have superficially meant that to be the point but it was pretty clear that his REAL agenda was to coax people to explore other opportunities, though the way he presented that was pretty superficial too (Not bringing up insurmountable program incompatibilities etc). From what I've read of people that were trying it, Windows 8 actually has breathed new life into older hardware, so his initial premise seems to be faulty as well.

I'm actually running it on some 6 year old hardware (my test machine) and it runs great as far as that goes. I still hate Metro but can't complain about the speed and compatibility with old and new programs much.
 

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Guy seems to have anger issues :roflmao:
 

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Oh, it seems the article is talking about non-touch system as "older" PCs...

Speaking of older PCs, 8 runs better than the native OS it was intended to run.
 

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It runs OK on SOME older machines.

My old faithful P4, for example.

Haven't tried it on the P3 yet, but will.

But, forget it if you have an Intel 9-series graphics chip.

They'll work in Win 7 although you probably won't get Aero.

But I've yet to see one that'll run in Win 8.
 

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My older hardware wouldn't work with 64bit versions of Windows 8. The 32 bit version works ok.

And by older, it's not ancient, it's about 6 years old
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Thread on the issues experienced with 64bit:
http://www.eightforums.com/installation-setup/8335-windows-8-rtm-install-problems.html
 

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SJVN is totally pro-Linux (name your distro).
Check out any of his other blog articles.

When he isn't talking about Linux distros and/or Windows, he's not bad.

IMO, you'd be better off using Linux Mint 13 (MATE) as opposed to Ubuntu 12.
 
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Well, I just tried the 32-bit RP on my old laptop.

Only to be informed that its 2Ghz Core 2 Duo isn't compatible with Win 8.

Funny, it runs the CP just fine......
 

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The whole point of the cited article is that "older" hardware can't or won't make the cut. Similar may well be true for "ancient" apps, as well.
The important thing before any upgared is always to check for hardware & software compatibility. That's always been the case.
Hi there
some of the ridiculous scrobbits who write these articles amaze me --and people who believe them - even more so.

It's like saying - surprise -- surprise -- My "Older" Volkswagon camper can't keep up with my newer BMW Z6.

In fact W8 runs on a LOT of older hardware actually quite well especially if you fit it with an SSD - but how old is "Old".

There comes a point where you can't expect people to keep supporting legacy applications and hardware -- that's what a Virtual Machine is for -- actually thank goodness this concept hasn't been incorporated into Cars yet -- imagine setting a lovely BMW Z6 to operate in "VW Camper Mode" !!!!.

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I think the point the author makes is that Win8 is really optimized for devices with a touchscreen and not if you operate an 'older' PC with a mouse. And I think he is right.
 

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Hi there
didn't get that at all from the article -- OK Windows 8 works better than Win 7 for Touch devices but the article was alluding to running Windows 8 on Older hardware -- and provided the hardware isn't that SERIOUSLY ancient it actually runs very well indeed on it which is why I totally disagreed with the writer of the article (not the Poster of this thread !!!).

If one organises the tiles decently W8 *can* be just as productive as W7 on a traditional desktop / laptop with keyboard and mouse.

I say *can* because it's a fair bit of work to get the system into that state - you need to get rid of a whole slew of metro tiles from the start menu and totally re-arrange others but it's "do-able".

Incidently to lovers of tablets etc -- I have yet to find ANY device that can enter data or text into a word document / spread sheet / even email quicker than using a traditional (not a Touch key virtual one) keyboard -- even a pen device isn't as good --most people type far faster than they can write too.

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Windows 7 was built with touch in mind, large taskbar, fuzzy targets, larger window control buttons, but no one found that as being solely built for touch devices.

Windows 8 isn't that far off. The tiles are a tad larger than the Desktop icons, ok?.....
 

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Oh, it seems the article is talking about non-touch system as "older" PCs...

Speaking of older PCs, 8 runs better than the native OS it was intended to run.
Completely agree. It turned a Vista dinosaur 2007 laptop I had to into something I'm happy to use day-to-day with Windows 8 on it.
 

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Windows 7 was built with touch in mind, large taskbar, fuzzy targets, larger window control buttons, but no one found that as being solely built for touch devices.

Windows 8 isn't that far off. The tiles are a tad larger than the Desktop icons, ok?.....
Yup. In fact I'd have gotten some kind of touch device alot earlier than looking at doing so now on Win8, but I never saw a Win7 touch device that was in my price range, haha.
 

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Hi there
Touch might be OK for tablets -- but a laptop or computer using large monitors -- no way jose.

You must have Spiderman length arms if you are using a 50 inch monitor and are using it as a touch screen (why would you want to smear greasy fingers over a lovely backlit LCD monitor in any case). With that size screen I'd be too far away to touch the monitor even if I wanted to -- I'm reasonably tall and I still sit far enough away from the monitor to conveniently touch it -- maybe the modern generation likes sitting in front of their screens with their noses just about touching the monitor !!

Further I defy anyone --even the most inveterate two thumbs texter to be able to type using a virtual touch keyboard compared with a "classical" physical model -- and as for pen type devices -- OK for a tablet used on a HORIZONTAL surface -- like you'd use a paper notepad - but even here most people can type on a physical keyboard far faster than they can write.

Touch apps -- fine for phones and tablets -- but what use do they have on a traditional laptop -- things like Weather, travel etc etc can be managed much better on a smartphone --why would I want this sort of stuff on a laptop anyway.

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You must have Spiderman length arms if you are using a 50 inch monitor and are using it as a touch screen (why would you want to smear greasy fingers over a lovely backlit LCD monitor in any case).
I think Reed Richards (Mr Fantastic) is a better example. :D
 

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