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Startup Options - Enable or Disable in Windows 8


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#41
I don't remember changing Windows 7, but it is possible - it hasn't be used seriously since installing Windows 8.
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#42
That looks like that could be why.

Boot to Windows 7 (64), and change it to standard using bcdedit to see how it does.

Is Windows 8.1 still set as your default OS to run at startup? If not, it would need to be.
 
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#43
Windows 7 gives me an error "element data type not recognized" for "bootmenupolicy". Windows 8 (not 8.1 - Dell says the Inspiron 1750 is not compatible) is set to default boot.
 

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#44
Are you able to delete the bootmenupolicy entry in Windows 7?

If not, then post what it gives you in the command prompt when trying.
 

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#45
"bootmenupolicy" is not present:

Windows Boot Manager
--------------------
identifier {bootmgr}
device partition=\Device\HarddiskVolume2
description Windows Boot Manager
locale en-US
inherit {globalsettings}
integrityservices Enable
default {default}
resumeobject {997d486f-5f67-11e2-9198-d65a11bae4cc}
displayorder {default}
{current}
{b2e1dcfc-4ef4-11e2-ae77-f18f0e217593}
toolsdisplayorder {memdiag}
timeout 30
displaybootmenu Yes

Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier {default}
device partition=D:
path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
description Windows 8 64
locale en-US
inherit {bootloadersettings}
recoverysequence {997d4871-5f67-11e2-9198-d65a11bae4cc}
integrityservices Enable
recoveryenabled Yes
custom:17000077 352321653
osdevice partition=D:
systemroot \Windows
resumeobject {997d486f-5f67-11e2-9198-d65a11bae4cc}
nx OptIn
custom:250000c2 1
debug No

Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier {current}
device partition=C:
path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
description Windows 7 64
locale en-US
osdevice partition=C:
systemroot \Windows
resumeobject {55d24cd2-4f5b-11e2-b3d9-806e6f6e6963}
custom:250000c2 0

Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier {b2e1dcfc-4ef4-11e2-ae77-f18f0e217593}
device partition=E:
path \Windows\system32\winload.exe
description Emergency 7 64
locale en-US
osdevice partition=E:
systemroot \Windows
resumeobject {92129852-4edc-11e2-8b2d-806e6f6e6963}
 
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#46
Go ahead and boot back to Windows 8, and post your bcdedit results from within it again.
 

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#47
Booted to Windows 8 and used the partition ID and changed the policy for Windows 7 to standard and it didn't make any difference - still get legacy boot menu.
 

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#48
You read my mind.

Double check the items in the blue note box at the top of the tutorial to see if there may be anything we missed.
 

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#49
I check hybrid shutdown and advanced options and it looks like it is all covered. One thing I noticed is that the UEFI option in Advanced Options was not present.
 

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#50
You wouldn't have a UEFI option unless your motherboard has a UEFI firmware chip instead of legacy BIOS.

If you haven't already, you might see if doing a system restore using a restore point dated before it stopped may restore it.
 

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#51
Not yet fully tested: Turned the computer off and went to bed. Got up this morning and it booted into standard. It may well be that the computer must be turned off rather than just restarted. Don't know that I want to mess with it since it is working, but if I do, I will get back. Thanks for the help...
 

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Good news so far. I'll be here if you need to continue. :)
 

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#53
Strange - I have a gadget with a shut down button and if I use that button, the PC boots up in Legacy. If I press the power off button it boots up in Standard. Boot option is set to Legacy.

Code:
C:\Windows\System32\cmd.exe /c %windir%\System32\shutdown.exe -s -t 00
 

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#54
Odd. Go ahead and post back with results from another BCDEDIT command to see what it shows. :)
 

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    ASUS ROG-STRIX-GTX1080TI-O11G-GAMING
    Sound Card
    Integrated Digital Audio (S/PDIF)
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    3 x 27" Asus VE278Q
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
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    1TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus M.2,
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    6TB WD Black WD6001FZWX
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#55
Code:
Windows Boot Manager
--------------------
identifier              {bootmgr}
device                  partition=\Device\HarddiskVolume2
description             Windows Boot Manager
locale                  en-US
inherit                 {globalsettings}
integrityservices       Enable
default                 {current}
resumeobject            {997d486f-5f67-11e2-9198-d65a11bae4cc}
displayorder            {current}
                        {b2e1dcfd-4ef4-11e2-ae77-f18f0e217593}
                        {b2e1dcfc-4ef4-11e2-ae77-f18f0e217593}
toolsdisplayorder       {memdiag}
timeout                 30
displaybootmenu         Yes

Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier              {current}
device                  partition=C:
path                    \Windows\system32\winload.exe
description             Windows 8 64
locale                  en-US
inherit                 {bootloadersettings}
recoverysequence        {997d4871-5f67-11e2-9198-d65a11bae4cc}
integrityservices       Enable
recoveryenabled         Yes
allowedinmemorysettings 0x15000075
osdevice                partition=C:
systemroot              \Windows
resumeobject            {997d486f-5f67-11e2-9198-d65a11bae4cc}
nx                      OptIn
bootmenupolicy          Legacy
debug                   No

Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier              {b2e1dcfd-4ef4-11e2-ae77-f18f0e217593}
device                  partition=D:
path                    \Windows\system32\winload.exe
description             Windows 7 64
locale                  en-US
osdevice                partition=D:
systemroot              \Windows
resumeobject            {55d24cd2-4f5b-11e2-b3d9-806e6f6e6963}

Windows Boot Loader
-------------------
identifier              {b2e1dcfc-4ef4-11e2-ae77-f18f0e217593}
device                  partition=E:
path                    \Windows\system32\winload.exe
description             Emergency 7 64
locale                  en-US
osdevice                partition=E:
systemroot              \Windows
resumeobject            {92129852-4edc-11e2-8b2d-806e6f6e6963}
 

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#56
Interesting. I must admit that I'm not sure why is does that. Nothing in your bcdedit other than it set to legacy for Windows 8 x64.

The command from the gadget is nothing more than to instantly shut down the computer.
 

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    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus XI Formula Z390
    Memory
    16 GB (8GBx2) G.SKILL TridentZ DDR4 3200 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS ROG-STRIX-GTX1080TI-O11G-GAMING
    Sound Card
    Integrated Digital Audio (S/PDIF)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    3 x 27" Asus VE278Q
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus M.2,
    250GB Samsung 960 EVO M.2,
    6TB WD Black WD6001FZWX
    8TB WD MyCloudEX2Ultra NAS
    PSU
    OCZ Series Gold OCZZ1000M 1000W
    Case
    Thermaltake Core P3
    Cooling
    Corsair Hydro H115i
    Keyboard
    Logitech wireless K800
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    Internet Speed
    1 Gb/s Download and 35 Mb/s Upload
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Malwarebyte Anti-Malware Premium
    Other Info
    Logitech Z625 speaker system,
    Logitech BRIO 4K Pro webcam,
    HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP M477fdn,
    Linksys EA9500 router,
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#57
Evidently the physical input and software input are not the same entry point. It also adds to the confusion of UEFI vs non-UEFI. :confused:
 

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#58
The answer is "hybrid". I knew the power off button was set to hybrid so I added it to the shutdown command and got Standard on reboot. I had noticed that pressing the power button was taking a long time for the PC to actually turn off even though the display was blacked out.
 

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#59
Ah, that makes sense.
 

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    CPU
    Intel i7-8700K OC'd to 5 GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus XI Formula Z390
    Memory
    16 GB (8GBx2) G.SKILL TridentZ DDR4 3200 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS ROG-STRIX-GTX1080TI-O11G-GAMING
    Sound Card
    Integrated Digital Audio (S/PDIF)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    3 x 27" Asus VE278Q
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    1TB Samsung 970 EVO Plus M.2,
    250GB Samsung 960 EVO M.2,
    6TB WD Black WD6001FZWX
    8TB WD MyCloudEX2Ultra NAS
    PSU
    OCZ Series Gold OCZZ1000M 1000W
    Case
    Thermaltake Core P3
    Cooling
    Corsair Hydro H115i
    Keyboard
    Logitech wireless K800
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master
    Internet Speed
    1 Gb/s Download and 35 Mb/s Upload
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Malwarebyte Anti-Malware Premium
    Other Info
    Logitech Z625 speaker system,
    Logitech BRIO 4K Pro webcam,
    HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP M477fdn,
    Linksys EA9500 router,
    Arris SB8200 cable modem,
    APC SMART-UPS RT 1000 XL - SURT1000XLI,
    Lumia 1520 phone
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#60
I want to enable the standard blue GUI boot selector. I have a Windows 8.1 partition and a Windows 10 preview partition. Here's my bcdedit setup:
nPOoiMg.png
As you can see, both Windows bootmenupolicy options are set to standard, yet I always get the legacy boot manager screen upon startup.
 

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