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Sorry Microsoft, but consumers just don't like you....

"Look at Google, for example, which has faced plenty of accusations over privacy concerns in recent years, and is now dealing with numerous investigations over possible anti-competitive behavior. Consider Apple too, which had to deal with the iPhone 4 'Antennagate furor and the embarrassingly poor quality Maps app. Yet in these instances, and others, consumers have quickly moved beyond these companies’ controversies, and returned to faithfully buying their products in the millions.

But consumers seem to have curiously long memories when it comes to Microsoft. The company’s frequent brushes with antitrust regulators, and its monolithic and often arrogant reputation, remain etched in the broader consumer consciousness as an affirmation that Microsoft is the big, evil conglomerate attempting to control and manipulate its way to the top. It’s perhaps fair to say that few consumers would articulate their impressions of Microsoft with specific reference to its anti-competitive actions of yesteryear, but fewer still would have kind words to say about what the company has since become if ‘antitrust’ and ‘Microsoft’ were uttered in the same sentence (...) Perhaps the only major Microsoft brand that consumers have any strong, positive emotional connection with is Xbox. For years, the company kept it at arm’s length from the rest of its operations, with only limited references to its Microsoft lineage, evidently recognizing that drawing a connection between the two might do more harm than good. More recently, Microsoft has seen the value of the equity it has built in the Xbox brand, giving the console’s dashboard a Metro-style update, and rebranding and integrating its entertainment services into its phone and PC offerings."

Sorry, Microsoft, but consumers just don't like you - Neowin
 

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Windows Phone on the hand, has social media built in. First few minutes of having one in your hands, you can get signed into your Facebook account, and that's it. You go to the People Hub, all your facebook friends are in it, as well as the news feed. Go to the Photos Hub, you can actually see pictures people have posted, just the pictures. You can go to friend's wall and see what images they've uploaded and their albums. Something you want to share? Literally just a tap away. This is ALL done within the OS, without an app. It's that "feeling" of putting people first on your phone that counts here. On ios 6, when you download the facebook app to share to facebook (Windows Phone ripoff) it asks you if you want to include your facebook friends into your contacts app. This wasn't like this two years ago, where the traditional setup was that you have apps to do literally every task. Want to see a particular facebook friend's post? Open the facebook app. Need to call that friend? Use the contacts app. Need to see the weather this weekend? Open the weather app. Need to know what song is playing on your phone? Open the music app up again. Got an email from someone? Open the mail app since you can tell who or what it is from or what it's about. Got a text message from someone? Open the messaging app since you can see or tell who sent you a message other than a number count. Want to see what the Spanish word of the day is in your translator app? Open the translator app since you can't see what it is from the icon. Need the current stock index prices? Open the stocks app since you can't see anything about them other than an icon.
Ok, I see where you are going with this. I guess I just don't find it all that compelling. I honestly don't want all of my social media stuff tied together. For example, I have the facebook app on my Android, and I believe by default it added all of my facebook friends to my contacts automagically. When I opened my contacts and saw like 400 people, I was like WTF happened, did things get duplicated. So, I went and figured out how to exclude facebook from populating my contacts...because honestly many facebook friends are not honest to goodness friends that I am going to call up or need to text message.

So for me, I don't mind opening the facebook app to do facebook stuff, and I don't mind opening up the Amazon MP3 player to do music stuff. I actually prefer having it this way.

The above is one of the things that has always concerned me about tablets and such, is the fact that with one logon account to the device, you have access to email, pictures, facebook, etc. I might want my kids to be able to surf the web, but I might not want them opening my email to see that I ordered them something from Amazon.com.

It's the same reason that I don't use my Windows 8 box with my MS account and don't have Skydrive integrated, etc. I just prefer to keep this stuff separate and disparate. I realize not everybody wants it this way.

Some people do, some don't. The people I know are ACTUAL friends I have, only a few I have never really met in person. Windows Phone does let you filter it out by different contacts list. One that is saved to your default Microsoft account and the rest from other social media.

I'd rather have things linked together. I'd love to see things I have saved in IE on Windows Phone be on IE on Windows 8, and vice versa. It's slowly getting there though. It's easier to have devices work with each other and have software work with each other versus keeping EVERYTHING separate, I believe at least.

Also, Windows Phone can be used for other things, as the rest of the OS is just faster, easier, Windows Phone style. :geek:
 

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Also, Windows Phone can be used for other things, as the rest of the OS is just faster, easier, Windows Phone style. :geek:
Well, I just don't find my Galaxy S3 to be slow or hard.
 

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If it's not needed then why include it in iOS (which is taking over Enterprise) or Android? It's there because people do use it...

So your going to save a texted video on your PC of your Family? Not going to happen with WP8. Not unless you email it to yourself, then get on a pc and downlod it. or open it on the phone then send it to Skydrive, then pull it back down. That is a really round about way of doing something simple. You don't see the need in saving videos of family that live really far away?

What harm is it having it there if you don't use it? Just don't use it. How many folks do you think use these features on iOS and Android? For some reason someone, somewhere decided to add them just in case. The problem is, if you start to single out certain groups, then eventually you yourself are stuck with a niche market, not a feature rich eco system.

I know it is a young start but, for a company that prides itself on it's buisness use, they sure did leave them out to dry is all I am saying

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If was sent a family video, I'm damn sure keeping that on SkyDrive as I've had hard drive failures before. One recently died on me, even though I lost a shite ton of video files, my vital statistics were mostly saved on SkyDrive of which I was able to redownload on my secondary drive and reorganize everything. That sucked because literally days before that drive died, I rearranged my photos library so everything is organized, mostly since I had over 1,500 pictures from my Windows Phone that needed to taken off and sorted. Then the drive died.... :mad:

I get your point though, I'm just stating an opposing view. If Windows Phone 8 is REALLY at core Windows, then it should already have certain features like VPN. Windows 7 and I believe 8 both have a hidden feature that NO ONE knows of basically, it's a VPN client. If that's in 8, it should be on Windows Phone. It's a young platform that instead of progressing slowly like ios did, it has to mature quicker than android did.
 

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I know what you are saying Coke, and I as well was giving a different view on things :) I also agree it has to step up really fast or become obsolete before it even gets a chance...

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Also, Windows Phone can be used for other things, as the rest of the OS is just faster, easier, Windows Phone style. :geek:
Well, I just don't find my Galaxy S3 to be slow or hard.
Ahh, but have you used a Windows Phone to compare?

I've never owned a Windows phone. I've been in IT for a long while and my companies have always provided my phone. I've had nokia flip phones, nextel's, blackberries and Androids. In the past 5 years, I've had a blackberry storm, a motorola Droid 2 and now a Samsung Galaxy S3. I never found my blackberries or Androids to be slow or difficult. My company is about 70% Android and 30% iPhone. We have 1 person on Blackberry and he cannot wait for his phone contract to be up to get the newest Blackberry phone.
 

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I know what you are saying Coke, and I as well was giving a different view on things :) I also agree it has to step up really fast or become obsolete before it even gets a chance...

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Oh yeah, same thing with Windows 8 kind of. It's a good thing I find that Microsoft is rapid releasing major updates to everything. They have to respond quicker.

But I don't think Windows Phone will face becoming obsolete anytime soon. There have been several announcements by some companies that they're switching to Windows Phone 8. For some odd reason, Windows Phone 8 just turned on a light bulb with top app developer and saying, "Hey, Windows Phone time!" I bet it's because of the higher specs standards though.
 

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Well, I just don't find my Galaxy S3 to be slow or hard.
Ahh, but have you used a Windows Phone to compare?

I've never owned a Windows phone. I've been in IT for a long while and my companies have always provided my phone. I've had nokia flip phones, nextel's, blackberries and Androids. In the past 5 years, I've had a blackberry storm, a motorola Droid 2 and now a Samsung Galaxy S3. I never found my blackberries or Androids to be slow or difficult. My company is about 70% Android and 30% iPhone. We have 1 person on Blackberry and he cannot wait for his phone contract to be up to get the newest Blackberry phone.
Soo...Nokia has a trial program of their Lumia 920 you can easily take advantage of since you do work in IT.
 

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Well, in looking at our Verizon Wireless website, the only Nokia I see as available to us is the 822. There hasn't been any demand for Windows Phones at my company.
 

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Well, in looking at our Verizon Wireless website, the only Nokia I see as available to us is the 822. There hasn't been any demand for Windows Phones at my company.
The 928 is to be released next month on Verizon, but I'm saying is that Nokia has a free "two" week trial program where you just use it. Since you work in IT, you can say you do IT work and you will probably be on the top of the list.

It's best to experience a Windows Phone, since you out of all people seem to use pretty much every device out there.
 

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Well, I certainly could try to get one and test with it. However, I'm not up for a new phone for about 1.5 years, and nobody else at work is up soon for a new phone...so after checking it out, I would really just end up sending it back and no new phones would be ordered.
 

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Well, I certainly could try to get one and test with it. However, I'm not up for a new phone for about 1.5 years, and nobody else at work is up soon for a new phone...so after checking it out, I would really just end up sending it back and no new phones would be ordered.

But you would have legitimate experience using a Windows Phone. That's all that really matters here.
 

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The above is one of the things that has always concerned me about tablets and such, is the fact that with one logon account to the device, you have access to email, pictures, facebook, etc. I might want my kids to be able to surf the web, but I might not want them opening my email to see that I ordered them something from Amazon.com.

Ok. I can see where some may choose to perform things this way, but I find it tedious. To each their own. :)

e.g. I have my Live email account configured on my Droid X2 to download, but it doesn't sync so far as performing a task with individual emails. I have to perform that again on my tower PC, unless I don't have it configured correctly. I don't have "corporate" email since I don't have the unlimited data plan.

It's the same reason that I don't use my Windows 8 box with my MS account and don't have Skydrive integrated, etc. I just prefer to keep this stuff separate and disparate. I realize not everybody wants it this way.

Accordingly, that's what I find convenient in 8. Signing into 8 with my MS account automatically signs me into numerous MS sites or their cloud. No need for me to waste time doing such. It may ask me to verify some accounts entering my password, but that's security. I don't mind that a bit. I can choose as much of the cloud as I want. e.g. I can choose whether to save a file to SkyDrive and/or native folder. I can also sign into my PC using a local account.

Also it synchs all Windows devices with settings, favorites, Store apps, etc. I look forward to the day that I can do such, for all I have at present is my Droid X2 and, of course, 8 Pro on my tower PC. I'm looking into getting WP8 and probably an 8 hybrid convertible, but not sure which.

Question: Not familiar with them, so on a Droid-based pad or iPad is only one account possible? I assume multiple accounts are possible on Surfaces or other Windows OEM devices.
 

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It may ask me to verify some accounts entering my password, but that's security. I don't mind that a bit. I can choose as much of the cloud as I want. e.g. I can choose whether to save a file to SkyDrive and/or native folder. I can also sign into my PC using a local account.
I wouldn't mind one bit if the apps would prompt for the password. I just don't want somebody to zip right into my email simply because they sit down at my PC. That's why I have passwords for all of these things and they are different.

Question: Not familiar with them, so on a Droid-based pad or iPad is only one account possible? I assume multiple accounts are possible on Surfaces or other Windows OEM devices.
Yes, one account on Droid and I believe the same for iPad. And yes, the Surface Pro supports individual accounts.
 

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Thanks, guys. :)

OK. I can see where apps are not password protected would be a problem, especially in an office or public setting. Perhaps MS should consider this. On the other hand, if one knows they'll be away from their device for awhile, one should put it to sleep, lock it, or sign out of it. Any which way, one still needs to enter a password.

BTW, I noticed with 8 that when I boot up and don't get to signing in right away, the splash screen pops up again after about 20 seconds. Out of sight, out of mind concept I would guess. Reduces temptation? Like an older 90-year-old friend of mine used to say "I have everything licked except temptation!". He was quite amusing, God rest his soul. :D
 

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EMINENT

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2 step authentication is here now and on Windows Phone.

If you don't want someone privy to your files, that's what a lock screen is for.
 

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2 step authentication is here now and on Windows Phone.
And I believe the new Windows Phone Authenticator app can also be used if you have a Gmail account (or other accounts using the same approach) and want to use 2-step authentication for that with your Windows Phone. However I've not tried this yet or seen official confirmation that this works.

If you don't want someone privy to your files, that's what a lock screen is for.

Obligatory xkcd link... ;)
authorization.png
 

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Hi there
Email these days is just a NUISANCE -- I can't even be bothered even to READ it on my Samsung S3 phone -- however there's no limit it seems to the number of standard (non GMAIL) and Gmail accounts you can have on these.

To those who say they need it ON A PHONE ( not a computer -- different issue) because of Work -- I say "Get a LIFE" and don't be a 21st Century Wage slave Tethered to your Boss 24 Hours a day --especially if you aren't getting paid standby etc for the privilege).

I find if I want to communicate then I just use SKYPE -- works fine, costs just a few cents and if you want to use Video the forward facing camera on the phone (It has 2 cameras the REAR one is the one for higher quality pics, the front one is more like a Webcam) works just fine when you make the SKYPE call.

I can't be bothered with Twitter or Facebook either -- I'd much rather interact with REAL PHYSICAL Human Beings in places like Pubs etc enjoying watching UK / German / Dutch Football (European variety with a ROUND Ball which actually gets KICKED with the FEET) !!.

Cheers
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With all due respect to the OP and others here at EF, this post should have been posted in the Off-Topic subforum, not news. I definitely dont appreciate someone trying to cram their opinions down my throat and passing them off as facts, and will not tolerate it or hold my tongue when I see something I dont like or disagree with. Enough of this kind of thing already goes on in the world as it is.

I agree with this. I think this stuff should not be posted here. Opinions are not facts and they don't belong in the news section.
 

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