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Replacement Start Menus - Consensus of opinion


Mustang

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#1
I have been a big advocate of Ex7For8 to restore the traditional Win7 Orb Start Menu, and up until recently it had been OK. But after installing a batch of recent updates, on start up it takes about 30 seconds after the desktop appears before any apps can be run. And when I click on an app/program it takes another 30 seconds to open it.

Once any given app/program has been opened once, it re-opens next time at normal speed. This only happens when boot is straight to desktop which is running Windows 7 Explorer shell. If boot is to Metro, all apps/programs open instantly. So it seems Ex7For8 has run it's course of usefulness.

Is there a consensus of opinion as to which is the best restoration start menu, and which one most most closely resembles the original Win7 Orb Start Menu?

Or are there as many preferences as there are alternative start menus?

I'm currently running StartIsBack in trial mode and it seems to have fixed the problem.

What I want to know is if this is running Explorer 7 or 8?

And has anyone encountered problems with it?

And how much it costs after the trial runs out?
 

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#4
Classic Shell is free. And very good.

I put it on my Win 8 setup, mainly for consistency with my other OSes.
But I find that I'm not using it that much, and could probably remove it.
Quick-Launch, on the other hand, is a different story. It isn't going anywhere.
A task-bar and/or desktop full of crap isn't going to happen here. (Yes, I do
use the Start Screen).

Wenda.
 

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@ Wenda. Thanks for input. I did try Classic Shell in earlier testing, but I prefer something that duplicates as closely as possible Win7 Orb Start Menu.

I can live without a legacy start menu and use start screen and create tool bars to AppData, User, Programs; and replace jump start menu with icons attached to taskbar, but it's all there in Win7 Orb ready set up. And quicker to use than the above.


Since I don't use Metro apps, and work entirely on desktop, I want something that boots straight to it. And don't wan to jump off desktop to access start screen.

Horses for courses of course! No pun intended, it's not Randwick already!

Cheers :)
 

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@Mustang: - Not a problem, mate. All good.
Wenda.
 

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xpclient

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You mean you want the Windows 7 orb? You can change it. Right click Classic Shell's Start button -> settings -> Start button tab -> Pick custom. Download image from http://i.imgur.com/ObwKE.png and set it as Start button image.
 

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I don't use any menu anymore. If I do, I use one that works great, opens fast and is responsive. It doesn't need to be 100% identical to the original one from Win7: that one is gone and nobody can bring it back as it was (the real File Explorer process is the one that should do the job... no hack is needed here).

I used the menu a lot, the one that came with Win98 for example. But the vista one included search, I got used to that.
As it took me some time to get used to the menu, it took me some time to forget it again.

It's pretty sad to see someone attach to an interface that will probably chance as the ideas and programmers change as well.

I was using Classic Shell and will still use it when the need is high. But it seems we have a lot of choice lately.

Cheers
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I use Start8 on all my machines and it works flawless so far.

:)
 

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Classic Shell, of course.
 

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#11
The post opener asks for an opinion.

The old adage you can't teach an old dog new tricks isn't valid. I love new tricks.


The problems I have in amending Windows 8 from it's origin, with 3rd party software, is that it is just that - amended, modified. Although I'm happy to hear that some users are not experiencing problems with the amended start menu, for myself Windows 8 already has enough problems on it's own and lots of defects that haven't already been remedied yet.

There can't be any doubt that introducing and installing such software changes lots and lots of parameters. It's intrusive, it does things to the registry, it will void warranty's, it will go out of the mainstream of trouble shooting and fixes designed by Microsoft.

Personally I like Windows 8 Metro. It's much easier for me than the classic style. Further I have a second touch pad keyboard that I use to practice the finger movements.
 

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It's intrusive, it does things to the registry, it will void warranty's, it will go out of the mainstream of trouble shooting and fixes designed by Microsoft.
Most programs make some changes to the registry so what makes these Start Menu/Button programs so unique that "their" specific changes would cause a "void in warranty?"
 

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Is there a consensus of opinion as to which is the best restoration start menu, and which one most most closely resembles the original Win7 Orb Start Men
As mentioned in an earlier post StartisBack uses the original W7 coding that was left behind in W8 and it is the real deal, no issues with boot times and is not affected by updates. I'm surprised you haven't already tried it, it has a 30 day trial.


Most programs make some changes to the registry so what makes these Start Menu/Button programs so unique that "their" specific changes would cause a "void in warranty?"
I have no idea what he is talking about, loading a prog will not void PC warranty's especially OS warranty's if you build your own lol! He seems to be a hardcore advocate of the Metro clutter and charms bar kludging.
 

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It's intrusive, it does things to the registry, it will void warranty's, it will go out of the mainstream of trouble shooting and fixes designed by Microsoft.
Most programs make some changes to the registry so what makes these Start Menu/Button programs so unique that "their" specific changes would cause a "void in warranty?"
What is this all about? I don't see what program... it can be a bad program.

EDIT: I guess he talks about the Ex7forW8 mod found in the OP's post.
 

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All I want to do is to "replace" the functionality "lost" when MS decided not to have a Win8-relevant start menu. I don't want to use an alternative that changes the way Win8 works if possible. In this regard, I don't want to use anything that will cause much of a system drain.

So, what is best for me is to use the taskbar-toolbar approach. See snip below. My Apps toolbar contains a few more items one would need to be able to scroll to see. It contains a shortcut to everything I might conceivably want to access from a start menu (and actually to some I items I am not using at all right now). I could prevent the possibility of having to scroll by omitting a few never, or virtually never, used items. And, of course, I shore some things up using desktop icons (which I use a great deal) and pinned-to-taskbar apps. One of my pinned items is the all apps shortcut (i.e., goes to all apps in metro) covered in our tutorials.

Note that my snip shows a Programs toolbar also. I don't use it; just made it to see how it works given a tutorial that deals with such. Also, note that folders can be placed in taskbar toolbars for categorization or whatever. And, for categorization, several toolbars can be used if one wants.

In sum, what works for me is something that really doesn't change Win8, but still gives me what I need.

FYI, note that I am running the Win8 installation in my snip virtually from my MacBook Pro using Parallels. It works a treat.
 

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It's intrusive, it does things to the registry, it will void warranty's, it will go out of the mainstream of trouble shooting and fixes designed by Microsoft.
Most programs make some changes to the registry so what makes these Start Menu/Button programs so unique that "their" specific changes would cause a "void in warranty?"
Not an issue.
 

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All I want to do is to "replace" the functionality "lost" when MS decided not to have a Win8-relevant start menu. I don't want to use an alternative that changes the way Win8 works if possible. In this regard, I don't want to use anything that will cause much of a system drain.

So, what is best for me is to use the taskbar-toolbar approach. See snip below. My Apps toolbar contains a few more items one would need to be able to scroll to see. It contains a shortcut to everything I might conceivably want to access from a start menu (and actually to some I items I am not using at all right now). I could prevent the possibility of having to scroll by omitting a few never, or virtually never, used items. And, of course, I shore some things up using desktop icons (which I use a great deal) and pinned-to-taskbar apps. One of my pinned items is the all apps shortcut (i.e., goes to all apps in metro) covered in our tutorials.

Note that my snip shows a Programs toolbar also. I don't use it; just made it to see how it works given a tutorial that deals with such. Also, note that folders can be placed in taskbar toolbars for categorization or whatever. And, for categorization, several toolbars can be used if one wants.

In sum, what works for me is something that really doesn't change Win8, but still gives me what I need.
Doesn't the toolbar drain anything from speed at start-up (list gets loaded and refreshed on click)?

By the way: nice wallpaper.
Is it Mount Fuji?
 

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I use Start8 from Stardock and have had no trouble at all. Look and feel is exactly like Win 7 which is what I want (for now).

Start8+QL.jpg
 

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znod

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#20
All I want to do is to "replace" the functionality "lost" when MS decided not to have a Win8-relevant start menu. I don't want to use an alternative that changes the way Win8 works if possible. In this regard, I don't want to use anything that will cause much of a system drain.

So, what is best for me is to use the taskbar-toolbar approach. See snip below. My Apps toolbar contains a few more items one would need to be able to scroll to see. It contains a shortcut to everything I might conceivably want to access from a start menu (and actually to some I items I am not using at all right now). I could prevent the possibility of having to scroll by omitting a few never, or virtually never, used items. And, of course, I shore some things up using desktop icons (which I use a great deal) and pinned-to-taskbar apps. One of my pinned items is the all apps shortcut (i.e., goes to all apps in metro) covered in our tutorials.

Note that my snip shows a Programs toolbar also. I don't use it; just made it to see how it works given a tutorial that deals with such. Also, note that folders can be placed in taskbar toolbars for categorization or whatever. And, for categorization, several toolbars can be used if one wants.

In sum, what works for me is something that really doesn't change Win8, but still gives me what I need.
Doesn't the toolbar drain anything from speed at start-up (list gets loaded and refreshed on click)?

By the way: nice wallpaper.
Is it Mount Fuji?
Thanks on the wallpaper. And, Fuji, not sure, but it looks like it. I am sure the toolbar requires use of some system resources, but I'd think not as many/much probably as a third-party start-menu replacement. I have never noticed any kind of a startup slowdown, but that would be pretty much impossible to document anyway. I never notice a delay when accessing the toolbar virtually, but, on my brick and mortar Win8 installation, I sometimes note a small delay in accessing it.
 

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