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Refresh Windows 8 - Set a Custom Recovery Image as Active


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#21
Hi Adam,

You had said that the Pagefile and Hyberfil files are backed, but it appears that the Registry Files are not backed. Had that been done then the configurations carried out on the various Programs would not have disappeared when restoring the .win Image.

Supposing I back up the Registry files immediately before or after creating the .wim Image and restore the same after restoring .wim Image then shouldn't all the configurations be back? Just a thought, but I would love to have your expert opinion..

Amarnath Wanchoo
 

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#22
Hi Adam,

You had said that the Pagefile and Hyberfil files are backed, but it appears that the Registry Files are not backed. Had that been done then the configurations carried out on the various Programs would not have disappeared when restoring the .win Image.

Supposing I back up the Registry files immediately before or after creating the .wim Image and restore the same after restoring .wim Image then shouldn't all the configurations be back? Just a thought, but I would love to have your expert opinion..

Amarnath Wanchoo
Why do you think that? You can open a .wim with 7-zip and have a look. Registry is stored in SYSTEM file in system32 - that is backed up. The problem is that recimg pointlessly backs up hyberfil.sys (almost 8gb in my case as I have 8gb memory) and pagefile.sys (about 1.3GB in my case). You don't really need this for a backup but you do have to remember to change it back after restoring.
 

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#23
Thanks Adam. If an exact copy of the Registry is included in the .wim Image then why do the configuration tweaks not restored with the Image. Most of then are just Registry tweaks? I do not have 7-zip which I am aware in free, because I have been using WinRar for ages. WinRar doesn't recognize a .wim file.

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OK, that is 2 questions.

1st question: 7-Zip is free because the developer decided so. WinRar is not free and (I find) annoying as not only you have to pay for it but you can't change even the installation language. If you like it and you are happy using it in Portuguese or whatever then carry on.

2nd Question: No. You misunderstand. When you run the recimg.exe command it saves some directories. You would like to think this would only be C:\Windows, C:\Programfiles and C:\ProgramFiles (x86). There is no sensible reason to do so but it does save hyberfil.sys (which is a copy of your RAM), pagefile.sys (generally a bit smaller) and swapfile.sys (generally very small). These last 3 are pointless from a backup point of view so you can remove them before running recimg if you want. It is of course up to you but my CustomRefresh.wim is a bit less than 7 GB. I would have to add another 15GB if I included hyberfil.sys.
 

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#25
I consulted an Expert on Registry about the problem of configuration tweaks not being restored when the backed up Registry was restored. He replied as follows.

"The registry is contained in 4 files. These are SYSTEM, SOFTWARE, SAM & SECURITY.
You said that SYSTEM is backed up. If SOFTWARE is not backed up then that would explain the situation."

His reply would make sense if the other three Registry files and especially SOFTWARE, are not backed up.

Amarnath Wanchoo

OK, that is 2 questions.

1st question: 7-Zip is free because the developer decided so. WinRar is not free and (I find) annoying as not only you have to pay for it but you can't change even the installation language. If you like it and you are happy using it in Portuguese or whatever then carry on.

2nd Question: No. You misunderstand. When you run the recimg.exe command it saves some directories. You would like to think this would only be C:\Windows, C:\Programfiles and C:\ProgramFiles (x86). There is no sensible reason to do so but it does save hyberfil.sys (which is a copy of your RAM), pagefile.sys (generally a bit smaller) and swapfile.sys (generally very small). These last 3 are pointless from a backup point of view so you can remove them before running recimg if you want. It is of course up to you but my CustomRefresh.wim is a bit less than 7 GB. I would have to add another 15GB if I included hyberfil.sys.
 

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It would make sense. It isn't true though as they are backed up.
 

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I used 7-Zip beta to look at the image I created and it definitely shows all the registry files (highlighted in blue in this pic):

Recimage Registry.jpg
 

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Thanks a lot Ztruker for the trouble you have taken and saved me from installing 7-zip.
 

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You're welcome. I was curious. I had to move up to the beta version of 7-Zip as the current released version would not open .wim files.
 

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Hi Shawn,

In trying to find an answer to why Recimg does not restore the configurations of the installed programs. I found a free program Recimg Manager at Download RecImg Manager - MajorGeeks.

I haven't checked if it is included in the list of free programs or not but if it isn't then it should be. It makes life so much easier.

Best regards,

Amarnath
 

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Yes, I used that a while ago, when it first came out. IIRC it worked well.
 

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Hi Shawn,

In trying to find an answer to why Recimg does not restore the configurations of the installed programs. I found a free program Recimg Manager at Download RecImg Manager - MajorGeeks.

I haven't checked if it is included in the list of free programs or not but if it isn't then it should be. It makes life so much easier.

Best regards,

Amarnath
Hello Amarnath,

A custom refresh image should include everything all of Windows at the time the image was created. Of course, anything not saved to the same location as Windows would not be included.

Did you have the program installed or save to another location?
 

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I am not clear what you mean by program installed or saved to another location. Perhaps by program you mean Recimg Manager.

I downloaded Recimg Manager Setup.exe after I had created the .wim Image, thanks to all the help that I got from Adam and yourself, and tested that it was restoring OK. A day later (yesterday) I installed the Recimg Manager and today created another .wim Image on an external Drive which has not yet been tested.

Nothing has been saved in two locations. I hope my reply is to the point.

Best regards,

Amarnath
 

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"In trying to find an answer to why Recimg does not restore the configurations of the installed programs"

Sorry, I was replying to the part you said above about installed programs. :)
 

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It doesn't include your user folder, among other things. It is not a complete image. It can only be used for refresh, not a clean reinstall. Seems it relies on using the one still in your current installation.

I haven't looked at recimg manager recently, but iirc, it can make a complete image. It is a very slow way to do it though.

I made a complete image in .wim format using dism a while ago. You could do the same with imagex. It works ok, but again is very slow.
 

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It doesn't include your user folder, among other things. It is not a complete image. It can only be used for refresh, not a clean reinstall. Seems it relies on using the one still in your current installation.

I haven't looked at recimg manager recently, but iirc, it can make a complete image. It is a very slow way to do it though.
Hey Simon,

A custom recovery image contains the desktop apps you've installed, and the Windows system files in their current state.

Recovery images do not contain your documents, personal settings, user profiles, or apps from Windows Store, because that information is preserved and included at the time you refresh your PC by default. :)
 

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Yes, exactly. It isn't a complete image. If there is a problem with user settings, a refresh with customrefresh.wim won't help. If you don't have a complete image, then System restore might be better for that situation.

Here is the complete wim image I created, you can see my user folder

mywim.jpg


Missing from Cust refresh wim

customrefreshwim.jpg
 

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Yep, that's the main reason why I prefer a system image instead.
 

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#40
OK, I now understand.

All the programs installed are in the two Program Files Folders. I had thought that the changes made in the configurations are mostly recorded in the Registry files which are in Windows, but maybe I am wrong and they are recorded elsewhere like the Program Data or the Users Folders.

"In trying to find an answer to why Recimg does not restore the configurations of the installed programs"

Sorry, I was replying to the part you said above about installed programs. :)
 

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