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Refresh Windows 8 - Create and Use Custom Recovery Image


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Glenn,

No problem. :)

SFC will only repair Windows corrupted or modified system files if able, and nothing else (ex: user files or programs).

System Restore will restore Windows system files, system settings, programs, and registry back to how they were when the restore point was created. It does not affect user files.

I agree. A full System Image backup is the ultimate and best fix all solution. It will restore everything, including how the selected HDDs/SSDs were setup, in the system image back to how it was when the system image was created. You just have to keep an updated system image to not lose to much if you have to do a system image recovery inbetween creating updated images.

A refresh with a custom image could be useful if you wanted to restore Windows back to how it was when the refresh image was created without worrying about it affecting the HHDs/SSDs and accidently letting the wrong one get deleted like it could happen with a full system image recovery.
Hello Brink,
Thanks for helping me relate to the different terms and their uses and functions. What a wealth of knowledge! Currently running a 168 GB drive SATA, gutted from an old Acer. So you would save the recimage C:\RefeshImage and files to use with the refresh feature to clearly explained in your tutorial. That also will only use info from the last time. Always steadfast. Think I am going to try out your shutdown/restart etc: in the desktop pop-up. That is handy and takes a couple of steps out of W8 IMHO!
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You're welcome Glenn. :)
 

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Hi Brink,

I understand what you mean by the difference of "refresh image" and full backup. How do you do a full backup within windows 8?

You say to create a full system backup image of windows 8 is like windows 7 (Backup Complete Computer - Create an Image Backup - Windows 7 Forums) I do not see this feature anywhere other than the option of creating a backup of your "File History".

We are trying to use the windows recovery tool and when it comes to the part of finding an image, it can not find the image on the local computer.. What are your thoughts on this?
 

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Hello mrioux, and welcome to Eight Forums.

When you have the Control Panel (icons view) open, you would click on the Windows 7 File Recovery icon now instead, then you will be able to follow the tutorial in your post above and below to do a system image just like in Windows 7. :)

Backup Complete Computer - Create an Image Backup - Windows 7 Forums

However, the instructions in this tutorial on the first page also creates the system image that is then set to be used by "Refresh". "Refresh" doesn't use a separate system image created using the tutorial link above though.
 
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Hello John,

Doing a refesh with a custom refresh image is basically like doing a system image recovery from a created system image, but for only Windows 8. The custom refresh will refresh Windows 8 to how everything was when you created the refresh image.

This is good for say to create a custom refresh image of a clean install of Windows 8 with everything setup how you like to be able to use to refresh with instead of the default refresh.
Pardon my cutting in here and I think I know the answer. I have been an Acronis True Image user for a long time. Would you say that with this new feature in Windows 8 that I no longer need Acronis?

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Hello Allan, and welcome to Eight Forums.

I'd say use what you are comfortable and familiar with if you like and if it's been reliable for you.

If you like, you could use the feature in this tutorial as another layer of backup just to be extra safe.

It never hurts to have multiple backups. You never know when it may come in handy. :)
 

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Hello Allan, and welcome to Eight Forums.

I'd say use what you are comfortable and familiar with if you like and if it's been reliable for you.

If you like, you could use the feature in this tutorial as another layer of backup just to be extra safe.


It never hurts to have multiple backups. You never know when it may come in handy. :)
Excellent advise, thanks Brink:cool:
 

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You're welcome. :)
 

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So I have a few questions here. First is, do Windows Store apps stay on the image or do they need to be redownloaded? I would hate to have to redownload them as I've already a list of 100 or so apps I've downloaded so far, of which I have a few installed.

Second is, this method creates an install.wim file. Can that be swapped out with the original install.wim that would be in an installation .iso? I think this would be yes. Be VERY handy to be able to create an updated install.wim file on the fly in a VM and use that new image to install Windows 8 on a laptop, or preferably through a deployment tool as so I can do a hard drive to hard drive transfer and install of Windows 8 on an external laptop drive, plop it back into the laptop and just activate Windows and Office and a couple of other things.

And lastly, I'm curious. If I make an image with Windows 8 Enterprise RTM Trial, download the .iso for Windows 8 Pro, and swap out the install.wim files, would it basically install Windows 8 Pro but with the settings and programs and apps within the image? I feel iffy about this.
 

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Hello Andy,

Answers inline. :)


So I have a few questions here. First is, do Windows Store apps stay on the image or do they need to be redownloaded? I would hate to have to redownload them as I've already a list of 100 or so apps I've downloaded so far, of which I have a few installed.

This does and preserves the same as a normal refresh of Windows 8, but instead of using the default image (installation media) it will use the CustomRefresh.wim that this part will include your desktop apps and system files as they were when the CustomRefresh.wim image was created.

In short, your Store apps will be safe and included as part of the normal refresh process. :)

Second is, this method creates an install.wim file. Can that be swapped out with the original install.wim that would be in an installation .iso? I think this would be yes. Be VERY handy to be able to create an updated install.wim file on the fly in a VM and use that new image to install Windows 8 on a laptop, or preferably through a deployment tool as so I can do a hard drive to hard drive transfer and install of Windows 8 on an external laptop drive, plop it back into the laptop and just activate Windows and Office and a couple of other things.

Interesting theory, but never tried it. It would be interesting to see how that tests out. Please let us know if you give it a play.

And lastly, I'm curious. If I make an image with Windows 8 Enterprise RTM Trial, download the .iso for Windows 8 Pro, and swap out the install.wim files, would it basically install Windows 8 Pro but with the settings and programs and apps within the image? I feel iffy about this.

I would think this would not work at all.​
 

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recimg doesn't work for me. I keep looking for the solution with no luck. Other posts on web forums show many others have the exact same problem.

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.2.9200]
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C:\WINDOWS\system32>mkdir C:\RefreshImage
C:\WINDOWS\system32>recimg -CreateImage C:\RefreshImage
Source OS location: C:
Recovery image path: C:\RefreshImage\CustomRefresh.wim
Creating recovery image. Press [ESC] to cancel.
Initializing
100%
Creating snapshot
27%
The recovery image cannot be written.
Error Code - 0x80042411

C:\WINDOWS\system32>
 

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Hello Mikiep,

I can't find anything on that error code either that has been solved.

As a test, you might enabe the built-in Administrator account, sign in to it, have nothing else running, and try this again to see how it does.
 

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Thanks for the idea! I didn't think of that.. but unfortunately still same

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.2.9200]
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C:\WINDOWS\system32>mkdir C:\RefreshImage
A subdirectory or file C:\RefreshImage already exists.
C:\WINDOWS\system32>recimg -CreateImage C:\RefreshImage
Source OS location: C:
Recovery image path: C:\RefreshImage\CustomRefresh.wim
Creating recovery image. Press [ESC] to cancel.
Initializing
100%
Creating snapshot
27%
The recovery image cannot be written.
Error Code - 0x80042411

C:\WINDOWS\system32>

Error VSS event id 8193

Volume Shadow Copy Service error: Unexpected error calling routine IVssAsrWriterBackup::GetAsrMetadata. hr = 0x80042411, A critical volume selected for backup exists on a disk which cannot be backed up by ASR.

Operation:

PrepareForBackup event

Context:
Execution Context: ASR Writer
Execution Context: Writer
Writer Class Id: {be000cbe-11fe-4426-9c58-531aa6355fc4}
Writer Name: ASR Writer
Writer Instance ID: {eecd776d-7c2c-4dd0-a6c1-ae3c54b5eead}

Error-specific details:
ASR Writer: A critical volume selected for backup exists on a disk which cannot be backed up by ASR. (0x80042411)
~~~


Warning VSS event id 12290

Volume Shadow Copy Service warning: ASR writer Error 0x80042411. hr = 0x00000000, The operation completed successfully.

Operation:
PrepareForBackup event
Context:
Execution Context: ASR Writer
Execution Context: Writer
Writer Class Id: {be000cbe-11fe-4426-9c58-531aa6355fc4}
Writer Name: ASR Writer
Writer Instance ID: {eecd776d-7c2c-4dd0-a6c1-ae3c54b5eead}

Error-specific details:
ASR Writer: A critical volume selected for backup exists on a disk which cannot be backed up by ASR. (0x80042411)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I do see a windows server with the same error that was resolved with regsvr32 to the components [ 0xe000fed1 - A failure occurred querying the Writer status. | Symantec Connect Community ]
Anywhere to find a list of the components as used by win8 pro 64 ?

Thanks Again !
 

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Could you post a screenshot showing the full layout of your Disk Management (diskmgmt.msc) window to see if that may reveal anything?
 

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As a test, try the tutorial using your D: drive letter in both commands instead.
 

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I've tried in the past to the D drive.. I just tried it again now logged in with the Administrator.
Still exact same.. thanks though.

Is there a user logoff ? other than restart in win8
 

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I've done refresh before and reinstalled completely.
Right now I'm doing a full format of the E drive. Will see if it can play to there after its done. slow_ but done now.. recimg still doesn't like me.

Interesting the first time I tried to stick a image into the fresh E, it said out of memory.. a quick look in Resource Monitor shows
In Use 2510,mb
StandBy 5620
Free 4mb usually free shows almost equal to standby when I peek into resource monitor.


~~~~~~~~~~~ Fixed it Did several things, too many to remember.. shrunk and expanded each partition about 10mb, moved active partition back and forth.. then the error changed its number .... the final thing was stop that dataram RamDisk.
Refresh was 35 minutes first time,, then a 45 min second time .. about 7gb CustomRefresh.wim from total of about 40gb (16gb total in page.swap.hiber)
 
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  • OS
    win8.1
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    lenovo

fafhrd

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I followed the tutorial, and the Custom Recovery Image was created without any problems in about 4 hours - I had been worried how large the image would be, but it was only 9.5 GB from 70 GB used on the windows 8 drive, so I was amazed that it contained complete Pagefile, Swapfile and Hiberfile elements in the archive. I thought that .wim files filtered out such data. I look forward to the opportunity to use the image in anger (not really).
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP COMPAQ Presario CQ57
    CPU
    AMD E- 300 APU with Radion HD Graphics 1.30GHz
    Motherboard
    inbuilt
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI
    Sound Card
    High Definition Audio on-board
    Monitor(s) Displays
    notebook
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    Seagate ST9500325AS
    Google drive 15GB
    Skydrive 25GB
    BT Cloud
    PSU
    external 20v
    Case
    Laptop
    Cooling
    pretty good
    Keyboard
    inbuilt
    Mouse
    touchpad
    Internet Speed
    BT Infinity Unlimited - 80 up 20 down =70/16 really
    Browser
    Chrome Canary usually
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender and Malwarebytes
    Other Info
    no Start menu modifications
    Upgraded with no issues to 8.0 and to 8.1

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