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ship69

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This thread is still going? Did the OP ever buy anything? It's been over two months already.

Nope - I still haven't found anything that meets my spec yet. :^(
 

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syntax? if I want to search D:\kaplan, I open a window for that folder. in the top right is a search box. whatever you search will search that directory and the subdirectories.

so if I open a window for computer, it'll search all my local drives. if I open a window for C:\windows\, it'll search windows and all its subdirectories.

if you're asking just to search D:\kaplan and not its subdirectories, I'm not sure. but you can go to details view and see only files in that D:\kaplan directory
 

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I received a LENOVO YOGA 13 for Christmas. I love it. The hybrid works. The laptop configuration is just as good as any laptop that I've used. The tablet config takes some getting used to--or maybe it's Windows 8...All in all I'd recommend it.
 

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I received a LENOVO YOGA 13 for Christmas. I love it. The hybrid works. The laptop configuration is just as good as any laptop that I've used.
The Yoga looks tempting I agree, but I'm holding out for 1080p resolution, a built in stylus, pressure sensitivity and possibly a larger screen although I dont want to go beyond 1.5Kg...

Out of interest, how fast does it come back to life from 'hibernation' mode?
Also which mode do you end up using it mostly - Laptop or Tablet?

P.S. Meanwhile I notice that Sony announced upgrades to their T-Series range at CES 2013, for release "in the Spring". I have my eye on the 15inch but I fear it will be too heavy for me.
 

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It's very quick to come back from sleep mode--less than 2seconds. I use laptop mode mostly. But use tablet mode when reading using the Kindle app
 

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Bill - How are you getting on with the resolution on your screen? Do you already wear reading glasses? Have you had to increase the text DPI in Windows?

I am planning to hold out until Lenovo (finally!) provide a Full HD (1080p) version of the Yoga 13 - do you think it will be a mistake to have such high DPI on a 13" device?

J
 

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Do you think going higher resolution i.e. Full HD would work for you?

Also out of interest have you changed the Windows "Textsize DPI" ?
 

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Bill - How are you getting on with the resolution on your screen? Do you already wear reading glasses? Have you had to increase the text DPI in Windows?

I am planning to hold out until Lenovo (finally!) provide a Full HD (1080p) version of the Yoga 13 - do you think it will be a mistake to have such high DPI on a 13" device?

J
No, not at all. It's honestly recommended even by Microsoft to up the DPI on a touchscreen as needed, even the Surface Pro's DPI is at 150 percent. I'm working on a Surface RT right now and I bumped up the DPI to 125 percent and I find it to be MUCH more ideal to poke.

But on such a high resolution touch display, I'd probably even go to 175-200 percent DPI increase. I know on a REALLY high definition touch display, 150% works but that was a 27 inch screen, not a 13 inch. When you have high resolution and a small screen, things are kind of small, so you need to up the DPI. I think that's actually how apple's retina display functions...
 

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No, not at all. It's honestly recommended even by Microsoft to up the DPI on a touchscreen as needed, even the Surface Pro's DPI is at 150 percent. I'm working on a Surface RT right now and I bumped up the DPI to 125 percent and I find it to be MUCH more ideal to poke.

But on such a high resolution touch display, I'd probably even go to 175-200 percent DPI increase. I know on a REALLY high definition touch display, 150% works but that was a 27 inch screen, not a 13 inch. When you have high resolution and a small screen, things are kind of small, so you need to up the DPI. I think that's actually how apple's retina display functions...

Ah-ha.

This is seriously interesting because elsewhere online people keep telling me that if you increase the Windows Textsize DPI, that all manner of things start to go wrong. Text is cut off in the middle buttons... function buttons e.g. Submit buttons can even disappear.
This appears to be true of both websites AND applications.

And the above is certainly true of WindowXP and Windows7. (Although I am happy to accept the compromise of 125% increase in DPI with its nicely bigger text and only slightly screwed up layouts/button visibility etc). In fact in my favourite illustration program (Xara Designer Pro X) people in the forum have been rather ganging up on me saying whatever you do DONT change the Windows Text DPI. But I have to because the text size is too often painfully too small... on all my computers!

But are you saying it works differently in Windows 8?

J
 

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Generally, the DPI settings and how it displays depends on the screen size and resolution. On the Surface Pro for example, its 1080p screen at 10.6 inches at its DPI defaults at 150 percent make it look similar to the Surface RT's resolution of 1366x736 at 10.6 inches with 100 percent default DPI. If you set the DPI around 175-200 percent on that kind of screen (the Surface Pro) you will in fact get things not to display properly. It works the same as in 7 and such.

But on a 13 inch touchscreen at 1080p, I'd probably go for 150 percent; this will depend on how YOU feel it works best with touch however.
 

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f you set the DPI around 175-200 percent on that kind of screen (the Surface Pro) you will in fact get things not to display properly. It works the same as in 7 and such.

It seems to me that Microsoft have a SERIOUS problem coming their way. Basically we all want that nice sharp, crisp text that a high resolution screen can give. BUT due do the way many programmes are written i.e. definining certain things but not others in *pixels* many interfaces break BADLY when you increase the text size DPI significantly e.g. to 200%, in fact many applications become un-usable.

I find it strange that microsoft hasnt written a solution to this problem, because I understand that Apple has a way of changing JUST the text size and doing so in a very easy to use manner.

I am amazed that the Surface Pro defaults to 150% text size because that will cause a lot of layout problems in a lot of applications and websites. Even applications like Dreamweaver and Xara will have problems and if you take it up to 200% my guess is that they will be unusable.
 

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Asus is coming out with an i5 and an i7 tablet/laptop hybrid called the transformer book series. Look it up.

They look too heavy to me.
e.g. Asus Transformer Book TX300CA is 4.2lbs (1.9Kg) and stupidly it's still using a HDD instead of SSD which will add weight and use up battery life.
Asus Transformer Book TX300CA Specs - Laptops - CNET Reviews

It uses the SSD in the tablet portion. the HDD is in the keyboard docking station part.

As far as heavy goes, what did you expect? You wanted something as powerful as an i5 or i7. So, they needed to put in fan and the necessary hardware that goes with it. You wanted a hybrid, so they needed to put in a docking station so the device can transform between a tablet and a laptop. You wanted a 13-14 inch device, so that's what you get. The glass alone should weigh significantly.

This is as far as current technology goes. If you want something better, freeze yourself and wait 10 years or so. Or better yet, get an ipad.

By the way, the "retina display" is just a gimmick. The human eye can't really tell that much of a difference between that pixel density and the typical HD pixel density. Last week, I let a woman who has the ipad 3 (the one with the retina display) try out my hp envy x2. I didn't say anything about the display, and she honest to goodness thought what I had was a retina display. I'm sure some people have sharp enough vision to tell the difference, but most people don't.
 

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Asus is coming out with an i5 and an i7 tablet/laptop hybrid called the transformer book series. Look it up.
As far as heavy goes, what did you expect? You wanted something as powerful as an i5 or i7. So, they needed to put in fan and the necessary hardware that goes with it. You wanted a hybrid, so they needed to put in a docking station so the device can transform between a tablet and a laptop. You wanted a 13-14 inch device, so that's what you get. The glass alone should weigh significantly.

Checkout the ASUS ZENBOOK™ Touch UX31A
ZENBOOK Touch UX31A
You get a choice of Core i7-3517U / Core i5-3317U, 13.3" 1920 x 1080 screen, 2 second resume time, and it only weighs 1.4Kg!
You get a 256GB SSD and a "7+ hours" battery too.

It's a laptop so you cant remove the keyboard but I'm not planning on removing the keyboard so that's no problem.

BUT the problem is that you cant fold the screen back on itself to use in a Tablet type mode.
Also RAM is ony 4GB and you cant add more which is NOT good.

When wearing my readers I can easily tell the difference up to 400 pixels per inch.
 

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The latest Toshiba offering - the "Portege Z10t"
Toshiba Portege Z10t Convertible Ultrabook Priced at $1,499, Sports Full HD 11.6-Inch Screen | GadgeTell
is getting close to my spec:
1080p IPS (matt, Wacom screen), Ethernet, HDMI, USB 3.0, 256 SSD, 8GB RAM, 1.41Kg including keyboard, (0.90Kg without), SD card reader... backlit, spill resistant keyboard, even has a nice little track pointer nipple thing on the keyboard - which will please some of us Lenovo/ThinkPad users.

My only real gripe is that at 11.6 inches the screen is physically just too darned small to do any serious work on - particularly at 1080p, which will presumably mean that the Windows Textsize will need to be set at at least 150%, possibly more. Also the keyboard is rather cramped too partly as a result, but partly because it wastes space at the edges...

If only someone could build us something similar in functionality and weight but physically larger/wider - i.e. 13 to 15inches would suit me...
 
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