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#1
If you use one don't you need to buy a product key to use it ?

I always bought upgrades like the 8 Pro Pack WMC.{$40}
Then upgraded to 8.1 Pro from the Store.{free}

Everything installed nicely.
No problems.

I had no use for an iso.

Why people need iso's confuses me. :(

Pardon my appalling ignorance. :eek:
 

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#2
David in my case I used an ISO with generic key to install 8.1.1 I also used an $40 8 pro upgrade to Activate.
To avoid upgrading from Win 7 to 8 pro then to 8.1 Por and then update 1
I have a nice clean install of 8.1.1 and then reinstall only the currently used software. lots of crap gone in one fell swoop that had accumulated over the years from Win 7 I actual skipped Win 8 altogether.

I do suppose that the ISO was not really legal however I think the results are legal! And a lot cleaner system that had I gone the legal route and completed all of those upgrade/updates.
 

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#3
I do suppose that the ISO was not really legal however I think the results are legal! And a lot cleaner system that had I gone the legal route and completed all of those upgrade/updates.
It's nothing illegal about it. ISO is just another format used to combine files/folders into a single compressed file to make it easier for download, store to HD's etc.. just like Winzip and Winrar. In addition, you can mount it as a virtual CD/DVD or to create bootable CD/DVD/USB if needed.
For example, if you have an Audio/Movie CD/DVD and you want to save it as one single ISO file, you can do so using some third party programs such as Power ISO, Ultra ISO. Windows also came with utility to deal with ISO but I never use it since I am using Ultra ISO.

BTW, you can also use Winzip or Winrar to extract files/folders from an ISO file format.

Another example: Microsoft recently release the Windows 10 TP in a single ISO file so that we can download it. After download, we can use a free utility such as: Rufus - Create bootable USB to create a bootable DVD/USB and the files/folders structure would look like as if it's from a DVD so we can install Windows 10 TP from it.
 

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#4
I suppose I was just curious about why people just don't go to a store like Staples & buy what they need.
My Pro Pack had its' own product key.
Simple to install.
 

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#5
I suppose I was just curious about why people just don't go to a store like Staples & buy what they need.
My Pro Pack had its' own product key.
Simple to install.
I hear ya David and I like OS DVDs myself but I think any hard copy at purchase time is going to slowly go the way of floppy disks. With the internet speeds now and the "cloud" evrything seems to be going the way of just a data transfer, up to the user to make hard copies. Things change quickly nowadays. :rolleyes:
 

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#6
I suppose I was just curious about why people just don't go to a store like Staples & buy what they need.
My Pro Pack had its' own product key.
Simple to install.
David, that means you'll get the installation disc in your hand. For those who don't want that, the ISO download is a good alternative. Have to pay for the Product key nevertheless.
 

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#7
I suppose I was just curious about why people just don't go to a store like Staples & buy what they need.
My Pro Pack had its' own product key.
Simple to install.
That's part of cost reduction. Software vendors put their software in the server and once you bought the Product Key then you can download it and install. However, some do come with a CD/DVD but you would have to pay extra for the cost of it. The same thing when you buy a new Laptop, it does not come with a DVD disk anymore but they put it in a recovery partition. If, you have a need for a DVD, you can buy it from them but it'll cost you extra.
 

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#8
If you use one don't you need to buy a product key to use it ?

I always bought upgrades like the 8 Pro Pack WMC.{$40}
Then upgraded to 8.1 Pro from the Store.{free}

Everything installed nicely.
No problems.

I had no use for an iso.

Why people need iso's confuses me. :(

Pardon my appalling ignorance. :eek:
What if you scratch your disc? What if you want to burn a "disposable" copy to fix things while your traveling? What if your computer doesn't have an optical drive and can only install from a USB drive? What if you want to install it to a Virtual Machine (ISO's are easier to process by the VM software)? You can't do some of that with the physical disc purchase b/c presumably, there is a copy protection mechanism in place...
 

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#9
Yes, you still need your product key(s). As the above poster said, people who upgraded from earlier versions of Windows can just use the Windows 8.1 ISO then use their product key to activate it. So every time they wipe everything and start afresh, they don't have to install the previous OS first, then the upgrades, etc. and they also don't need to download anything if they already have the ISO saved on a harddrive.

Also, if you have multiple machines (and other family members machines to look after), you only need one ISO that you can put on a USB stick and use on all machines, you don't need to download 4GB every single time. Just activate using the product keys for the different machines.

For me personally, I haven't used any software or drivers from CD's or DVD's for years, all my software is stored on an external harddrive and installed directly from there. Windows being the only exception, which is installed from a USB stick.
 

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#10
I have actually bought Windows 8 as ISO from Microsoft. I have my DVD drive disabled in BIOS, I hardly use it, only to copy original DVDs to mkv for backup and to remove all the junk. I only use USB for setups, even after using Windows 8.1.1, it had to install tons of updates, I can not imagine using original 8 and then upgrading it pretty much forever, not to mention, that it always failed. Shame on MS, that you have to "steal" 8.1.1 iso. :confused:
 

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#11
If you buy a PC with a factory installed OEM version of Windows you don't get any install media. You can create recovery media but that media won't let you do a clean install. The recovery media just refreshes the factory image back onto the hard drive. Also some will wait until its too late to create the recovery media. Failed hard drive or corrupted file system. You have a key in the BIOS but no install media to use it. Those are the ones looking hard for an ISO.

Another scenario is if your PC came with Windows 8.0. That product key can be used to activate windows 8.1. Some would rather do a clean install of 8.1 than install 8.0 and have to upgrade though the store. They need an 8.1 ISO/DVD to do that

Or they want an 8.1 with update 1 ISO versus one without it.

My laptop came with Windows 8.0 Core. I swapped out the factory hard drive with a smaller SSD. Once I did that my recovery thumb drive would not work to put the factory install on the new drive. Cloning didn't work either. I was not an MVP at that time so I had to resort to bit torrent to get an 8.0 ISO to clean install 8.0 Core on my SSD. It used the original embedded OEM key.

There are some that have valid legal keys but no disk to use them with. Having to pay full price again just to get the DVD is a PITA.

EDIT: ISO's are also handy for making bootable install thumb drives. That is my preferred method as its considerably faster than using optical media for the install. Thumb drives don't get scratched or smudged either. ;)
 

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#12
For info, I've just seen an interesting GHacks article regarding a Microsoft tool for creating Windows 8.1 installation media. Although I haven't tried it yet as I won't need it until the new year, so I'm not sure whether or not you still have to use the generic 8.1 product key first, then activate with your 8.0 product key.

Create installation media for Windows 8.1 - Windows Help
 

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#13

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#14
Although I haven't tried it yet as I won't need it until the new year, so I'm not sure whether or not you still have to use the generic 8.1 product key first, then activate with your 8.0 product key.
You no longer need to use a generic key. This Windows 8.1 installation media accepts Windows 8/8.1 product keys (both retail and OEM).
 

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#15
I do not think so. :sarc:
 

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#17
Thanks to all who responded. :)

My knowledge has increased. :):geek:
 

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#19
It is Windows 8.1 Update 1. Has been since shortly after Update 1 was released.
 

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#20
I just have 1 computer.

I keep 2 Macrium images at a time on USB drives.
I've never had use for an ISO.
Hence my asking about them.

I bought factory recovery disks from Gateway.
Before using Macrium I used the disks twice.
A Macrium image is so much easier.
Installing maybe a hundred updates is tedious.
Plus all the programs & other personal data.

I have all the crapware removed from the OEM install.
If my computer gets fried, hopefully I could use the Macrium image to set things up on a new computer.
I think that can be done.
Anybody know for sure ?
 

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