problems connecting to the Win 8 laptop from Win 7

sygnus21

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Have a question regarding "Local Account". I'm having problems connecting to the Win 8 laptop from Win 7 as it will not accept my sign in credentials. With that, am I to assume that this is because the credential aren't "Local", and thus this is what this is for???

Win 8 Log-in fail.JPG

It will not accept the "Microsoft" account I use to log into Win 8 laptop.

With that, if I choose to go with the "local account" can I easily switch back to the Microsoft one?

Thanks.

Win 8 is a pain in the arse at times :mad:
 

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Kari

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If you cannot login remotely using a Microsoft account then the reason is not the account type but instead something else like for instance that the Microsoft account you are using has not allowed remote connections, or in case of network sharing the network discovery and file & printer sharing are turned off.

Are you sure it will not work? To remotely connect to a Microsoft account, remote machine is no longer the domain you need to use hence you cannot login remotely to a Microsoft account with username Computername\Username.

See what I mean with this. The explanation is valid both when using RDP or just trying to access a networked Windows 8 computer with a Microsoft Account:

Login in remotely to a Windows 8 local account you provide your username as Computername\Username, like for instance here I am connecting to my other laptop using my local account Kari on that remote machine:

2013-05-07_004327.png

I also have a Microsoft account on that other machine, let's say it is kari@domain.com. To input credentials of that account I need first click the Use another account. At this point the login dialog shows a wrong domain, local machine, because that is the last domain I have used to login to this machine:

2013-05-07_004526.png

However, when I type my Microsoft account name kari@domain.com and password, the dialog changes the domain automatically and I can login by clicking OK:

2013-05-07_004449.png

Short version:
  • Click Use another account
  • Type your Microsoft account name (email address!)
  • Type your password
  • Click OK
If remote connections or network discovery and file sharing are allowed you will now be logged in.

Kari
 
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    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center
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    Laptop
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    HP ENVY 17-1150eg
    CPU
    1.6 GHz Intel Core i7-720QM Processor
    Memory
    6 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Graphics
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    Beats sound system with integrated subwoofer
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    17" laptop display, 22" LED and 32" Full HD TV through HDMI
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    1600*900 (1), 1920*1080 (2&3)
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    Internal: 2 x 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
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    As Envy runs a bit warm, I have it on a Cooler Master pad
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sygnus21

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Thanks Kari,

Quite sure. In fact I've been trying to figure it (and other sharing problems) out most of the day. What I'm trying to do is share a folder/file from a Win 7 machine to my Win 8 laptop but sharing/networking always gives me headaches.

Anyway here's the weird thing - I can see the laptop in Win 7, but can't connect to it using remote desktop. And any shared files I create leads to that box, but it won't accept my credentials.

Something to note here is that I'm not making the file public - that is, I'm not choosing "Home Group" or "Everyone" as a profile, I'm attempting to use advanced sharing...

Advance Sharing.JPG

Anyway I'm sure I'm screwing something up, I just don't know what????

Also, I can not for the life and times of me figure out why Win 7 won't connect to the Win 8 laptop using remote desktop, when all works fine going the other way (Win 8 connects to 7 just fine).

Anyway I've been at this a while so some outside advice is more than welcome.

Thanks.
 

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sygnus21

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OK, Kari, I think I'm missing something...

I'm trying to log into the Windows 8 machine from Windows 7. If I try to use RDP, I don't get the image you show (obviously). And clicking on the notebook icon in Win 7 gets me the image in my first post. Hence I'm not getting what you're saying...

Sorry.
 

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    Motherboard
    Gigabyte G1 Sniper 5 (BIOS F9)
    Memory
    Corsair Dominator Platinum 32 gig (1866MHz)
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    Sapphire R9-280 Vapor X
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    Soundblaster ZXR
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    NEC PA242W - 24 inch
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Kari

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Are you sure that incoming remote connections are allowed on that 8 machine:

2013-05-07_020127.png

And then sharing settings on both machines. First under Private:

2013-05-07_020551.png

... and then under All Networks:

2013-05-07_020824.png

... and last but not least, both machines belong to same workgroup and if not, the workgroup name is changed to same and PC rebooted after the workgroup name change.

It should work if all these settings are correct on both machines, I cannot remember having any issues connecting between machines on my network.

Kari
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center
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    HP ENVY 17-1150eg
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    1.6 GHz Intel Core i7-720QM Processor
    Memory
    6 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Graphics
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    Beats sound system with integrated subwoofer
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    17" laptop display, 22" LED and 32" Full HD TV through HDMI
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    1600*900 (1), 1920*1080 (2&3)
    Hard Drives
    Internal: 2 x 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
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    As Envy runs a bit warm, I have it on a Cooler Master pad
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Kari

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OK, Kari, I think I'm missing something...

I'm trying to log into the Windows 8 machine from Windows 7. If I try to use RDP, I don't get the image you show (obviously). And clicking on the notebook icon in Win 7 gets me the image in my first post. Hence I'm not getting what you're saying...

Sorry.
Booting up Windows 7 system, screenshots to follow :).
 

My Computer

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  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP ENVY 17-1150eg
    CPU
    1.6 GHz Intel Core i7-720QM Processor
    Memory
    6 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Graphics
    Sound Card
    Beats sound system with integrated subwoofer
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17" laptop display, 22" LED and 32" Full HD TV through HDMI
    Screen Resolution
    1600*900 (1), 1920*1080 (2&3)
    Hard Drives
    Internal: 2 x 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
    External: 2TB for backups, 3TB USB3 network drive for media
    Cooling
    As Envy runs a bit warm, I have it on a Cooler Master pad
    Keyboard
    Logitech diNovo Media Desktop Laser (bluetooth)
    Mouse
    Logitech MX1000 Laser (Bluetooth)
    Internet Speed
    50 MB VDSL
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    Windows in English, additional user accounts in Finnish, German and Swedish.

sygnus21

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Thanks Kari, I just figured out what you were saying about logging into Windows 8 from 7 and was able to do so. This helped...

Short version:
  • Click Use another account
  • Type your Microsoft account name (email address!)
  • Type your password
  • Click OK
If remote connections or network discovery and file sharing are allowed you will now be logged in.

Kari

So, I'm now able to connect remotely. That's solved :D

As far as the sharing issue, yes, I quite sure that incoming remote connections are allowed on that 8 machine. I've checked that box quite a few times.

Anyway now that I'm able to connect remotely, let me try this share issue again. I'll post back in a few minutes.

Thanks.
 

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    Haswell i7-4770K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte G1 Sniper 5 (BIOS F9)
    Memory
    Corsair Dominator Platinum 32 gig (1866MHz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire R9-280 Vapor X
    Sound Card
    Soundblaster ZXR
    Monitor(s) Displays
    NEC PA242W - 24 inch
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 512gig 850 Pro SSD (OS), Samsung 256gig 840 Pro SSD (photo editing), Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB HD
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    EVGA Supernova 1000 G2
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    Cooler Master HAF X
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Kari

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OK, good to know. I just got the Seven machine booted for screenshots, the procedure is the same as screenshots in my first post show with only minor changes in dialogs.

For future readers of this thread, to connect remotely to a Microsoft Account on a Windows 8 machine from a Windows 7 / Vista machine:

  • If the last remote user from this computer has been the Microsoft Account you want to use and the dialog shows correct email address, just type the password and click OK:

    2013-05-07_023237.png

  • If the last user is not the Microsoft Account you want to use, click Use another account:

    2013-05-07_021955.png

  • Type the Microsoft Account email address and its password, click OK:

    2013-05-07_022205.png
That's it.

Kari
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP ENVY 17-1150eg
    CPU
    1.6 GHz Intel Core i7-720QM Processor
    Memory
    6 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5850 Graphics
    Sound Card
    Beats sound system with integrated subwoofer
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17" laptop display, 22" LED and 32" Full HD TV through HDMI
    Screen Resolution
    1600*900 (1), 1920*1080 (2&3)
    Hard Drives
    Internal: 2 x 500 GB SATA Hard Disk Drive 7200 rpm
    External: 2TB for backups, 3TB USB3 network drive for media
    Cooling
    As Envy runs a bit warm, I have it on a Cooler Master pad
    Keyboard
    Logitech diNovo Media Desktop Laser (bluetooth)
    Mouse
    Logitech MX1000 Laser (Bluetooth)
    Internet Speed
    50 MB VDSL
    Browser
    Maxthon 3.5.2., IE11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender 4.3.9431.0
    Other Info
    Windows in English, additional user accounts in Finnish, German and Swedish.

sygnus21

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Tanks Kari, appreciate the help. +1

Peace :cool:
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Custom built by me
    CPU
    Haswell i7-4770K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte G1 Sniper 5 (BIOS F9)
    Memory
    Corsair Dominator Platinum 32 gig (1866MHz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Sapphire R9-280 Vapor X
    Sound Card
    Soundblaster ZXR
    Monitor(s) Displays
    NEC PA242W - 24 inch
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1200
    Hard Drives
    Samsung 512gig 850 Pro SSD (OS), Samsung 256gig 840 Pro SSD (photo editing), Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB HD
    PSU
    EVGA Supernova 1000 G2
    Case
    Cooler Master HAF X
    Cooling
    Corsair H100i Closed Loop Cooler
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wireless Wave
    Mouse
    Logitech Performance MX
    Internet Speed
    High Speed
    Browser
    IE11
    Antivirus
    Norton Security
    Other Info
    RAM Speed: 1866MHZ @ 9-10-10-27-2T, 1.5v

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