old games are very slow

[CountMike]

There's DirectX 12 coming up for W 10, things may improve yet.

 

[avada]

Anyone try windows 10 yet? Did anything change or is it the same as in 8/8.1?

I am trying out Windows 10 and sadly the same issue from windows 8 remains. It is really early so we still have that hope. There is a feedback section where we can tell MS some feedback and i reported the issue. Really weird issue. I think it has to do with metro and worrying about multiple devices because in window mode the framerate will change. Who knows,i just hope they fix that issue.

Great. Maybe they pay attention to this unlike their websites...
Hopefully others who like playing old games will report it too.

 

[OldGuyGeek]

Anyone try windows 10 yet? Did anything change or is it the same as in 8/8.1?

Here's one of my Windows 10 videos. FSX seems to run better but it may be because it's a clean installation. But since Windows 10 is just Windows 8.1 with a few tweaks and interface improvements, I'm not really surprised.

[video=youtube_share;zblqDv3vjeI]http://youtu.be/zblqDv3vjeI[/video]

 

[avada]

Anyone try windows 10 yet? Did anything change or is it the same as in 8/8.1?

Here's one of my Windows 10 videos. FSX seems to run better but it may be because it's a clean installation. But since Windows 10 is just Windows 8.1 with a few tweaks and interface improvements, I'm not really surprised.

How does it run in fullscreen? (If the FS has a fullscreen mode)

 

[CT Ralf]

Anyone try windows 10 yet? Did anything change or is it the same as in 8/8.1?

Here's one of my Windows 10 videos. FSX seems to run better but it may be because it's a clean installation. But since Windows 10 is just Windows 8.1 with a few tweaks and interface improvements, I'm not really surprised.

[video=youtube_share;zblqDv3vjeI]http://youtu.be/zblqDv3vjeI[/video]

Yea so none of the new background stuff is added yet then right? Like what ever compatibility improvements they have,etc. That is why i was not surprised it's the same issue,not really a difference from 8.1 besides the new few interface and features. Also you had it running in window and games tend to run better that way. In full screen is when the frame rate issue occurs.

 

[Xx3qmxX]

To be honest I would just play new games on your computer which are actually compatible with your graphics card

 

[avada]

To be honest I would just play new games on your computer which are actually compatible with your graphics card

Wow this is a silly comment... We want to play with games we like, old or new. And compatibility is not dependent on the graphics card. Old APIs like ddraw are provided by the os in software.

 

[Vince800]

To be honest I would just play new games on your computer which are actually compatible with your graphics card

This comment has absolutely no relevance to this topic at all. It's comments like this which obscure real issues reported in Windows through lack of understanding of the original issue.

 

[CountMike]

To be honest I would just play new games on your computer which are actually compatible with your graphics card

This comment has absolutely no relevance to this topic at all. It's comments like this which obscure real issues reported in Windows through lack of understanding of the original issue.

Backward compatibility is THE issue. Be that a game, program or even HW. I'm against it for just for any price if it is detrimental to OS as a whole but if it's just fixing some API or .dll or whatever that it's not going affect system development, than why not. Even MS would profit from that, increased brand loyalty etc. Main selling point for Windows is enormous base of software, not it's "good looks".

 

[oneeyed]

To be honest I would just play new games on your computer which are actually compatible with your graphics card

Sigh.

What's with the graphics card compatibility comment ?! The point of DirectX was exactly not to have this kind of problem. Games DO NOT have to be "compatible" with a specific graphic card, only with DirectX which virtualizes all the graphics calls, if something isn't supported it is automatically emulated.
The problem is Microsoft seems to have introduced some bug in its implementation of older versions of DirectX (or maybe they just dropped it, not certain at this point)... This has nothing to do with the graphics cards. Many games work perfectly with the exact SAME card under Windows 7.

And about new games... we're not talking about normal applications here. I play for fun, and new games aren't fun for me at all (I hate all the 3D/FPS stuff).
But I think this is a lost cause, I've never heard any MS officials acknowledge there is a problem at all... So they aren't interested and don't care. This is fine for me. Ever since Windows 8, I've played all my old windows games under Linux. It needs more tinkering but it's ok.

 

[avada]

What's sad is that you can play old console games better, often flawlessly, thanks to enthusiasts who write emulators. The older the console is the better the games run, usually with better graphics.
But when it comes to windows games, they just become unplayable, and that's that.

And about new games... we're not talking about normal applications here. I play for fun, and new games aren't fun for me at all (I hate all the 3D/FPS stuff).

I'm not a fan of the quake stile, shoot everything that moves games myself, but there are good fps-es out there that I like. Have you tried NOLF? That's awesome and it's not just about shooting stuff, it's also funny an has decent story. More recent fps games that I liked were bioshock and Bioshock Infinite (They have sophisticated stories).
My favorite non-fps game would probably be Hogs of War. It's a worms-like (but better) turn based tactics/strategy game.

 

[Brooklyn567]

Have you tried DOSBOX?
I had a video issue with an old game in Windows 7 once, and DOSBOX allowed me to play it with no problems.
Its been a long time ago so i cant remember the game, sorry..

RA2!! The simple games are still the best... Youre not carrying 100 different weapons!

 

[CountMike]

To be honest I would just play new games on your computer which are actually compatible with your graphics card

Sigh.

What's with the graphics card compatibility comment ?! The point of DirectX was exactly not to have this kind of problem. Games DO NOT have to be "compatible" with a specific graphic card, only with DirectX which virtualizes all the graphics calls, if something isn't supported it is automatically emulated.
The problem is Microsoft seems to have introduced some bug in its implementation of older versions of DirectX (or maybe they just dropped it, not certain at this point)... This has nothing to do with the graphics cards. Many games work perfectly with the exact SAME card under Windows 7.

And about new games... we're not talking about normal applications here. I play for fun, and new games aren't fun for me at all (I hate all the 3D/FPS stuff).
But I think this is a lost cause, I've never heard any MS officials acknowledge there is a problem at all... So they aren't interested and don't care. This is fine for me. Ever since Windows 8, I've played all my old windows games under Linux. It needs more tinkering but it's ok.

Some games do insist on particular DirectX compatible video card and would not install or run without it.

 

[elbmek]

I have steam, and the games I 'nicked' off my sons account have dos emulator built in, as well as other eumlators depending on the game. I download a trilogy of which only the last one works though.

 

[CT Ralf]

To be honest I would just play new games on your computer which are actually compatible with your graphics card

Sigh.

What's with the graphics card compatibility comment ?! The point of DirectX was exactly not to have this kind of problem. Games DO NOT have to be "compatible" with a specific graphic card, only with DirectX which virtualizes all the graphics calls, if something isn't supported it is automatically emulated.
The problem is Microsoft seems to have introduced some bug in its implementation of older versions of DirectX (or maybe they just dropped it, not certain at this point)... This has nothing to do with the graphics cards. Many games work perfectly with the exact SAME card under Windows 7.

And about new games... we're not talking about normal applications here. I play for fun, and new games aren't fun for me at all (I hate all the 3D/FPS stuff).
But I think this is a lost cause, I've never heard any MS officials acknowledge there is a problem at all... So they aren't interested and don't care. This is fine for me. Ever since Windows 8, I've played all my old windows games under Linux. It needs more tinkering but it's ok.

Some games do insist on particular DirectX compatible video card and would not install or run without it.

which game? If there was one it has to be very rare and even then a patch can fix it. The issue in this thread however is that the games work but in half the frame rate that they do in Windows 7.

 

[CountMike]

Sigh.

What's with the graphics card compatibility comment ?! The point of DirectX was exactly not to have this kind of problem. Games DO NOT have to be "compatible" with a specific graphic card, only with DirectX which virtualizes all the graphics calls, if something isn't supported it is automatically emulated.
The problem is Microsoft seems to have introduced some bug in its implementation of older versions of DirectX (or maybe they just dropped it, not certain at this point)... This has nothing to do with the graphics cards. Many games work perfectly with the exact SAME card under Windows 7.

And about new games... we're not talking about normal applications here. I play for fun, and new games aren't fun for me at all (I hate all the 3D/FPS stuff).
But I think this is a lost cause, I've never heard any MS officials acknowledge there is a problem at all... So they aren't interested and don't care. This is fine for me. Ever since Windows 8, I've played all my old windows games under Linux. It needs more tinkering but it's ok.

Some games do insist on particular DirectX compatible video card and would not install or run without it.

which game? If there was one it has to be very rare and even then a patch can fix it. The issue in this thread however is that the games work but in half the frame rate that they do in Windows 7.

[SOLVED] Directx 11 question

 

[avada]

[SOLVED] Directx 11 question

Umm. What's the point of this? Apart from seeing someone giving the worst advice possible?

 

[CountMike]

[SOLVED] Directx 11 question

Umm. What's the point of this? Apart from seeing someone giving the worst advice possible?

Just one of games that will not run without DX11 HW.

 

[CT Ralf]

[SOLVED] Directx 11 question

Umm. What's the point of this? Apart from seeing someone giving the worst advice possible?

Just one of games that will not run without DX11 HW.

An old card not running a high end game is not a surprise. I don't expect a 2005 card to run a high end game like Ryse today. That always made sense. In the future however any card you have that even supports DX12 for example will run the game so that is never going to be an issue.

 

[CountMike]

Well the problem is with older cards and games that do not support them, not new ones and it's not only a matter of "high end game" but of compatibility with DirectX being that expected or not. There is also a problem with the "power" of some video cards even if they are compatible on paper at least. So, you'll never have full compatibility of GPUs and all the games, there's always going to be a problem and saying "that is never going to be an issue" is a bit over optimistic.