No Product key on new Windows 8 Computers

nckfrtg28

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Hello Everyone. Today I got my Windows 8 Home Makeover Bundle today. When I was unpacking the computers I notice something that was missing. It was the Windows 8 Product Key Sticker. I guess they are not going to put the sticker on the computers that run Windows 8 anymore?

Windows 8 Home Make Over Bundle
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8 64bit
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    PC/Desktop
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    Samsung
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    Intel i3 3220T
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    4GB
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    Intel HD Graphics 2500
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    21.5 inch and 23 inch
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    1920x1080
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    500GB
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    Anker Wireless Solar Keyboard
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    Anker Vertical Mouse (Wired)
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    0.95kbps
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    Kaspersky
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    All in one Samsung computer. Touch screen

cluberti

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From what I understand, OEM activation for Windows 8 is actually IN the BIOS, and not simply using a SLIC table from the BIOS to determine activation. The product key IS the BIOS, so there's no need to provide you with one for reinstall, as the installation of Windows 8 using the provided OEM install media or recovery media will pick that up. It's pretty interesting to think about how it works.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8.1 x64
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    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 4790K @ 4.5GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Maximus Hero VII
    Memory
    32GB DDR3
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    Nvidia GeForce GTX970
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    Realtek HD Audio
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    1x Samsung 250GB SSD
    4x WD RE 2TB (RAIDZ)
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    Corsair AX760i
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    Fractal Design Define R4
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    Noctua NH-D15

zooburner

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From what I understand, OEM activation for Windows 8 is actually IN the BIOS, and not simply using a SLIC table from the BIOS to determine activation. The product key IS the BIOS, so there's no need to provide you with one for reinstall, as the installation of Windows 8 using the provided OEM install media or recovery media will pick that up. It's pretty interesting to think about how it works.

That's a big 'oops' if you have to replace the motherboard !! what will they do then I wonder ?
 

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  • OS
    Windows 7
    System Manufacturer/Model
    HP Pavilion P7 1040UK
    CPU
    Intel i5 2310
    Motherboard
    Intel H67
    Memory
    4 GB PC3 10600 ( 1 x4GB)
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GT 530 (2GB)

NoelDP

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Windows OEM licenses have always been locked to the board on which they are installed - nothing has changed in that respect.
the locking is now more hard-coded than it was, is all.
The OEM will replace the board with a new one with the appropriate BIOS/Key and 'unapprove' the old one.
Home replacements will no longer be able to slide through the loopholes, and will have to purchase a new Full license.
 

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  • OS
    Win7 64-bit and Win8 32-bit in VM (+ others in VM)
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    Asus K52F
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    i3
    Memory
    8GB
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    it's an i3 :)
    Sound Card
    Conexant (rubbish - or it may be the speakers)
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nckfrtg28

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If you do replace the Motherboard.Before you replace it could you use a Key Finder and use that key it finds?
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8 64bit
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Samsung
    CPU
    Intel i3 3220T
    Memory
    4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 2500
    Monitor(s) Displays
    21.5 inch and 23 inch
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    500GB
    Keyboard
    Anker Wireless Solar Keyboard
    Mouse
    Anker Vertical Mouse (Wired)
    Internet Speed
    0.95kbps
    Browser
    Opera Next/Chrome
    Antivirus
    Kaspersky
    Other Info
    All in one Samsung computer. Touch screen

NoelDP

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No - the key will only work with the original board.
 

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  • OS
    Win7 64-bit and Win8 32-bit in VM (+ others in VM)
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    Asus K52F
    CPU
    i3
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    it's an i3 :)
    Sound Card
    Conexant (rubbish - or it may be the speakers)
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Internet Speed
    whatever I can get - G3

area 66

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I don't even thing they are a key on those OS
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8 enterprise x64
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    i7-3960X Extreme Edition
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    Rampage IV Extreme
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    Gskill 4x4 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    4 x HD 7970
    Sound Card
    onboard
    Screen Resolution
    2560*1600
    Hard Drives
    C:\Intel series 520 SSD , 250 GB
    D:\ WD 750 black with Intel 40gb SSD cache Intel RST
    E:\ WD 2TB Black
    PSU
    Corsair AX 1200
    Case
    TT Mozart TX
    Cooling
    Water Cooled
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    Logitech G-15
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    Windows 8 VM is install on his own SSD.

cluberti

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If you do replace the Motherboard.Before you replace it could you use a Key Finder and use that key it finds?
If it's a machine from an OEM, replacing the board through them should get you a new one with a key embedded in it, which should activate the OS again within a few hours if it's even necessary.

If you replace the motherboard yourself without going through the OEM, that copy of Windows 8 is no longer legally licensed to that machine anyway, as it's tied to (basically) the motherboard, just like previous iterations of OEM Windows.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Custom
    CPU
    Intel Core i7 4790K @ 4.5GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus Maximus Hero VII
    Memory
    32GB DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Nvidia GeForce GTX970
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD Audio
    Hard Drives
    1x Samsung 250GB SSD
    4x WD RE 2TB (RAIDZ)
    PSU
    Corsair AX760i
    Case
    Fractal Design Define R4
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D15

jimbo45

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Hi there
This is a good start -- I've often thought that a great way of combating piracy would be to have a privileged instruction in the BIOS such as GETCPUID where the CPU ID could be a standard 36 character GUID .

The software inventory on the machine could be linked to that BIOS. In addition the machine if it were being used as a secure machine with NO connection to the Internet at all could be activated without needing an Internet connection.

This beats any of the current "Activation" schemes which rely on Key generators and are eminintely hackable by those in the know.

The BIOS *could* be hacked but that's not so easy as fooling around with "Fake KMS servers" etc or the very many other "Activation bypass schemes" out there.

If the software is legally uninstalled and moved to another machine the install setup could create a new install disk which would permit a new CPU to install software.

(From my old Mainframe days - circa 1972 IBM MVS 370 had exactly this type of instruction -- privileged mode so a user program couldn't change it) -- so this really is a case of "Back to the Future".

The only query here is that if you have an OEM MOBO and you need to replace the CPU on it or swap it for a faster cpu -- is this technically a new computer or just a "Repair" job. (Assuming a desktop type machine not a laptop).

Cheers
jimbo
 

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alphanumeric

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That should kill the illegal SLIC Table BIOS mod cheats, for Windows 8 anyway.
 

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    Windows 10 Education 64 Bit
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mblack

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Oh -I shutup then:

only trying to help
 
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SIW2

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It will be on the pack if you bought the os as a boxed product.

That is not what the thread is about.

It seems that for those who buy a machine with win8 pre installed - there is no product key on the box, on the machine, or anywhere to be seen.

Different thing.
 

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mblack

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For the one's that has the dvd to install windows 8 pro

if you cannot find the serial number - i'll tell you where to find it.

1. keep the sleeve that the dvd came in - you will need it - (clue )
 

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  • OS
    win 8.1 pro 64bit with media centre
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    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    amd fx 8120 eight core 3111mhz
    Motherboard
    asus
    Memory
    16gb
    Graphics Card(s)
    geforce 550ti x2
    Sound Card
    sound blaster z

whs

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They are making our life ever more difficult. Changing a mobo on an OEM installation will probably deactivate Windows 8.
 

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aramil

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The only query here is that if you have an OEM MOBO and you need to replace the CPU on it or swap it for a faster cpu -- is this technically a new computer or just a "Repair" job. (Assuming a desktop type machine not a laptop).

Cheers
jimbo

The new OEM activation is done on a hardware generated hash (not just the MB/bios) as changing the main drive ( after copying the OS) will break activation. A repair by OEM will allow them to reactivate the OS, as the hash will be updated and approved, and then submitted to MS OEM activation service.

This does however bring up upgrade issues, as changing main hardware breaks activation on OEM unless done by the OEM system maker.......

According to MS if you change something that is not a OEM action (repair etc) it becomes a new PC.

Of course this does not apply to retail.

They are making our life ever more difficult. Changing a mobo on an OEM installation will probably deactivate Windows 8.

It has been like that for years (oem slic bios)
 

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pawz7

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this is an old thread, but my question is relevant. The drive has failed on a Win 8 OEM computer and we have been asked to put a new one in - the owners have no Win 8 disk, and of course the recovery partition is on the old one. Do they need to buy a new copy of Win 8 as well as a new drive?
 

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    Memory
    8 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel HD Graphics 4000
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    Microsoft Edge
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    Windows Defender, standard user account
    Other Info
    UEFI firmware (BIOS) embedded Windows 8 product key.

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