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No Microsoft Start Menu for Windows 8 until 2015: Sources


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Microsoft won't be delivering a new Start Menu for Windows 8 with its coming Windows 8.1 Update 2, after all.

That recent change in plans comes courtesy of a couple of my sources who've had good track records on Windows information.

Up until recently, Microsoft was hoping to make a new "Mini" Start Menu part of a second update to Windows 8.1. Windows 8.1 Update 2 was -- and still is, last I heard -- slated to arrive in August of this year.

Microsoft's operating systems group has decided to hold off on delivering a Microsoft-developed Start Menu until Threshold, the next "major" release of Windows. Threshold, which may or may not ultimately be called Windows 9, is expected to be released in April 2015. I'm not clear whether the postponement is because the feature won't be fully baked in time, or if there's another reason for the change in plans.
Read more at: No Microsoft Start Menu for Windows 8 until 2015: Sources | ZDNet
 

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Hi there

Custom toolbars should be an acceptable alternative -- I also posted on this Forum how to add METRO apps also to a custom toolbar -- can't find the particular thread but the trick is to find the name of the executable app and wrap it in the explore cmd.

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Yeah, not too suprised TBH .. I did find it rather strange that they even mentioned it at //build - particualrly as it was merely a mockup...

I suspect there may be ongoing development and perhaps new functionality specific to Windows 9...
 

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Hi there.

Agree -- the Metro stuff is virtually USELESS on the current desktop. What would make these far more useful is to have these in re-sizeable windows and dynamically update rather like the old "Gadgets" but a lot more useful. For instance some Stock trading tickers -but when you click them they would take you STRAIGHT into your trading software for example. They would be launched from a classic start menu maybe.

Another good one would be to "centralize" / have on a decent windowed screen - say live chat / Skype type applications -- instead of that pathetic little popup that apps like lync give (much better than nothing but we can do hugely better these days).

One really needs though to separate essentially a mobile phone type app (a single one task small app) from much more complex apps that are used on a desktop where several complex processes are going on concurrently -- two totally different scenarios and "....Never the twain shall meet ....".

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Threshold, Windows 9, whatever they want to call it, should be a free upgrade. They took out the start menu which was loved by many and as a sincere apology, they should release a free upgrade to next version of Windows (assuming that this new Windows has the start menu). I'd upgrade on day 1 if it was free lol. Could increase marketshare and reputation too.
 

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I personally wouldn't classify current metro apps as "virtually useless" on the desktop, but that's just my opinion. The few I use work for me as is. I would also like to see them in re-sizeable windows though.

I'd be very surprised if 9 was made free to those running 8 or 8.1. It would make a lot of people happy but I just don't see Microsoft giving up that revenue source. Assuming it sells that is. It's still very much a mystery OS at this point.
 

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Threshold, Windows 9, whatever they want to call it, should be a free upgrade. They took out the start menu which was loved by many and as a sincere apology, they should release a free upgrade to next version of Windows (assuming that this new Windows has the start menu). I'd upgrade on day 1 if it was free lol. Could increase marketshare and reputation too.
Have they ever offered a free upgrade to a new OS? I know 8 to 8.1 was free but IMO it was an update not a new OS.

I had the option of upgrading to 8 for a reduced price because my Win 7 computer was bought within a few months of 8 coming out. I did not do it. I thought they should have allowed reduced price upgrades to 8.1 but they never did. I might have done that.
 

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No, and they won't.

Win9 Might get a Limited time Reduced Upgrade Price like they did for Win8
But it won't be free, nor should it be.

If some of you want to go down this road I will say this....

Those of us that purchased Win8 when it first came out should be the ones that can get a reduced Win9 Price.
Those of you that sat on the fence, should have to pay full price. That's called a Loyalty Program.

Granted, that will not happen either, but, if we are demanding free stuff, that's how I would determine it if it were my company.
 
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No, and they won't.

Win9 Might get a Limited time Reduced Upgrade Price like they did for Win8
But it won't be free, nor should it be.
Yes why should any company offer their new OS for free. Oh wait, a certain big one does just that and it hasn't hurt them. But that's not how Mr. $oftie does business.
 

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I don't mind waiting, this just means Microsoft has plans to bring another Update 3 to Windows 8.1 presumably 6 months after Update 2 in 2015 which translates to Windows 8.1 is getting a lot of love from Microsoft.

Even at it's current state, Windows 8.1 with Update 1 is near perfect OS for desktop users and better than both the original Windows 8 and Windows 7 IMHO.

And with the current time frame between Update releases for Windows 8.1 (6 months), I wouldn't be surprised if Windows 8.1 get a Update 4 just before the release of Windows 9 in Q4 2015.
 

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No, and they won't.

Win9 Might get a Limited time Reduced Upgrade Price like they did for Win8
But it won't be free, nor should it be.
Yes why should any company offer their new OS for free. Oh wait, a certain big one does just that and it hasn't hurt them. But that's not how Mr. $oftie does business.
Oh you mean Apple? No, they role that into the cost of their Hardware.
You mean Google? No they roll that into Selling your contact info and targeting info for advertising.
You really think they are doing it for free and just giving it away, you are joking.
 

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No, and they won't.

Win9 Might get a Limited time Reduced Upgrade Price like they did for Win8
But it won't be free, nor should it be.
Yes why should any company offer their new OS for free. Oh wait, a certain big one does just that and it hasn't hurt them. But that's not how Mr. $oftie does business.
Oh you mean Apple? No, they role that into the cost of their Hardware.
You mean Google? No they roll that into Selling your contact info and targeting info for advertising.
You really think they are doing it for free and just giving it away, you are joking.
Everyone knows that Microsoft can do it. Look at their cash and see if its impossible. They just choose not to. They can still sell Windows DVDs in the store for a price but can only cover a certain amount of PCs. They can continue to charge enterprise. What they can do is if you have a valid Windows 8 product key, you will get a free upgrade to Windows 9. Oh wait I forgot, Microsoft wants money so this idea is too generous for them to do.

Wait, Microsoft sells hardware like the Surface Pro so they can give out free Windows! Oh wait no, Microsoft has trouble selling well. Still, I think they need to gain user's trust back so this is the least they can do.
 

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No, and they won't.

Win9 Might get a Limited time Reduced Upgrade Price like they did for Win8
But it won't be free, nor should it be.
Yes why should any company offer their new OS for free. Oh wait, a certain big one does just that and it hasn't hurt them. But that's not how Mr. $oftie does business.
Oh you mean Apple? No, they role that into the cost of their Hardware.
You mean Google? No they roll that into Selling your contact info and targeting info for advertising.
You really think they are doing it for free and just giving it away, you are joking.

Lol. Very well put. The guy's a dreamer.:roflmao:
 

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At this point, seriously, who cares. The buying public have massively rejected 8 and all its descendents, and no amount of window dressing will ever alter that fact. Plus, those who have gone with 8, by and large have already chosen their fix of choice and are unlikely to just simply opt for a new, almost certainly inferior ms version.
 

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Who cares? I don't need their start menu - with Classic Shell and Rainmeter I'm happy with my desktop.

MS would probably would put all those childish circus colored metro app icons all over it anyway! Desktop users might as well make the best of what they have and continue with their desktops without full help from MS.
 

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At this point, seriously, who cares. The buying public have massively rejected 8 and all its descendents, and no amount of window dressing will ever alter that fact. Plus, those who have gone with 8, by and large have already chosen their fix of choice and are unlikely to just simply opt for a new, almost certainly inferior ms version.
Hi there.

Actually Windows 8.1 update 1 isn't doing so bad now -- a lot of the shenanigans about W8 is dying away quite fast. It's not quite a VISTA situation.

I'm even beginning to not like using W7 any more (although at the time certainly an EXCELLENT OS). The main reason I'm using W7 is so I can run some work based back ends -- SAPGUI for example - but with a lot of corporate workplaces employing new VDI (Virtual desktop Infrastructure) it will soon be possible to log on with my W8.1 device and get presented with the Work virtual desktop which should run the relevant applications -- so I won't even need the W7 VM any more.

A lot of people actually quite LIKE 8.1 -- even people in their 80's !!!! from what I've seen --once they get used to it -- and in any case if you basically just want the desktop W8.1 update1 is perfectly OK --most people are quite happy with a few apps pinned to the desktop / taskbar so the whole menu idea for a lot of people is largely irrelevant now -- although I can't of course see any harm in bringing it back.

Technologically no problem as some 3rd party providers have shown -- satisfying Corporate Egos is another matter --it's almost impossible to get any high powered corporate Pole Climber to actually admit they were wrong or made a mistake. However there's some new people at Ms these days - so the "Augean Stables" have essentially been cleaned out and we can go on from here.

Hercules' Fifth Labor: the Augean Stables

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Hi there.

Actually Windows 8.1 update 1 isn't doing so bad now -- a lot of the shenanigans about W8 is dying away quite fast. It's not quite a VISTA situation.

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Far worse than vista, imho.
And update 1 broke my system, and I have since rolled it back completely, and will not reinstall it.

No, for me 9 cannot come fast enough.
 

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Windows 8.1 update 1 works just fine for me. All four of my home PC's are running it as is with no added third party start menu. Being able to pin Metro Apps to the taskbar just made it easier to use. IMHO anybody that expects Windows 9 to be Windows 7 SE is in for a shock. It's much more likely to be Windows 8.1 SE. Like I said though, IMHO that's where Windows is headed. Only time will tell at this point though.
 

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Hi there.

Actually Windows 8.1 update 1 isn't doing so bad now -- a lot of the shenanigans about W8 is dying away quite fast. It's not quite a VISTA situation.

Cheers
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Far worse than vista, imho.
And update 1 broke my system, and I have since rolled it back completely, and will not reinstall it.

No, for me 9 cannot come fast enough.
Your system is quit modified though isn't it? You use a local account instead of a Live ID login, which cripples the Windows Store and prevents Metro apps from running. I do believe you've also killed UAC from the command prompt or with a reg entry. I think it was you anyway, if I got that wrong my apologies. Anyway, I would think doing stuff like that could mess up updates. I know turning UAC completely off will break some program installers, I've seen it myself.
 

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