new build game pc

[dirtyvu]

yes, I like the reduction of RAM and increase in GPU.

 

[Coke Robot]

I concur. Graphical intensive rendering is done by the GPU these days.

 

[pcRat]

The cost between GTX 660 & 670 is almost double. Hope it's worth it.

What would the advantages be if WoW #1 player only has a GTX 660 and player #2 has a GTX 670 ? For the heck of it toss in player #3 with a GTX 650 .

 

[bobkn]

The cost between GTX 660 & 670 is almost double. Hope it's worth it.

What would the advantages be if WoW #1 player only has a GTX 660 and player #2 has a GTX 670 ? For the heck of it toss in player #3 with a GTX 650 .

If the 670 is a bit expensive, consider the 660ti. It may offer the best price/performance point.

 

[pparks1]

The cost between GTX 660 & 670 is almost double. Hope it's worth it.

What would the advantages be if WoW #1 player only has a GTX 660 and player #2 has a GTX 670 ? For the heck of it toss in player #3 with a GTX 650 .

I would go with a 660 myself, save the cash today and plan to buy a new card a year or two down the road. But that is just me.

 

[pcRat]

The cost between GTX 660 & 670 is almost double. Hope it's worth it.

What would the advantages be if WoW #1 player only has a GTX 660 and player #2 has a GTX 670 ? For the heck of it toss in player #3 with a GTX 650 .

I would go with a 660 myself, save the cash today and plan to buy a new card a year or two down the road. But that is just me.

Unfortunately we know how that works out for most people who can't afford the better card during the build. We can't afford it later either. I'd be sure to help him upgrade later but we never know about tomorrow. I may not be here tomorrow to help him.
If he gets into editing or something else, I'd rather he have more than less.
Between a reduction in cost by installing a used SATA hdd for storage instead of buying a new one and reduction in RAM.

Really, I'd just to know what makes the 670 so much better than the 660 ? In laymans terms.

 

[pcRat]

I just found what I asked dated feb 13 2013 @ Should I return the GTX 660 for a 670? - Graphics Cards - Graphics & Displays
I can understand the numbers but slightly on their references like Mtexels is new


Well, just based on performance I would go with it. But calculated out it comes to,
219*.85 = 186.15
so
389.99- 186.15 = 203.84
So you are paying an extra 200$ for around a %30 percent performance boost (based on this comparison). Other than that, look up the benchmarks for the games you play and decide if that 200 difference is worth it to you. Just a little note is that regardless of what you buy now, it will not be on top for very long. Nothing is "Futureproof". But that also doesn't mean that your card will be a hunk of plastic in three months, it will still run games, just not max them out.
Without further ado, here are the benchmarks:
Power Consumption (Max TDP)
GeForce GTX 660 140 Watts
Geforce GTX 670 170 Watts
Difference: 30 Watts (21%)
Memory Bandwidth
Theoretically speaking, the Geforce GTX 670 should perform quite a bit faster than the GeForce GTX 660 in general. (explain)
Geforce GTX 670 192000 MB/sec
GeForce GTX 660 144192 MB/sec
Difference: 47808 (33%)
Texel Rate
The Geforce GTX 670 will be much (approximately 31%) faster with regards to texture filtering than the GeForce GTX 660. (explain)
Geforce GTX 670 102480 Mtexels/sec
GeForce GTX 660 78400 Mtexels/sec
Difference: 24080 (31%)
Pixel Rate
If using a high resolution is important to you, then the Geforce GTX 670 is a better choice, by a large margin. (explain)
Geforce GTX 670 29280 Mpixels/sec
GeForce GTX 660 23520 Mpixels/sec
Difference: 5760 (24%)
Please note that the above 'benchmarks' are all just theoretical

 

[pparks1]

Maybe this will help you decide;
GeForce GTX 670 vs GeForce GTX 660

I still like saving $100 on the card. Either way in 2-3 years time, both cards would be old and outdated. Have you looked at the 660TI's

 

[pcRat]

Maybe this will help you decide;
GeForce GTX 670 vs GeForce GTX 660

I still like saving $100 on the card. Either way in 2-3 years time, both cards would be old and outdated. Have you looked at the 660TI's

Thanks for the good link pparks1. another page I emailed myself besides adding to favorites.

It made the GTX 670 decision easier. Went right along with 3 things my Dad always said

1. If there is time to do it over, there is time to do it right the first time.
2. You get what you paid for.
3. If you bought the good one to begin with, you would not have regrets now.

 

[dirtyvu]

bottom line is if you can afford better hardware now, get it. not only does it get you better performance now, it also means you can hold out longer before you need to upgrade.

you really do get what you pay for. go cheap now, upgrade sooner in the future.

but of course, if you're completely stretching your budget, then pull back. food on the table and money to pay for important things always comes first.

 

[pparks1]

Maybe this will help you decide;
GeForce GTX 670 vs GeForce GTX 660

I still like saving $100 on the card. Either way in 2-3 years time, both cards would be old and outdated. Have you looked at the 660TI's

Thanks for the good link pparks1. another page I emailed myself besides adding to favorites.

It made the GTX 670 decision easier. Went right along with 3 things my Dad always said

1. If there is time to do it over, there is time to do it right the first time.
2. You get what you paid for.
3. If you bought the good one to begin with, you would not have regrets now.

Well, in response to those 3 bullet points, when it comes to computer, you can always jump into the deep end and buy absurdly expensive CPU's. But if you forgo a $300 CPU, for a $1,000 CPU, in 3 years time, you will likely find out that both are outdated and outpaced by a $200 current generation processor. So, I don't always agree with the concept that if something is better you should buy it now.

In the case of these video cards, neither is absurdly expensive and going the 670 route might be the best choice. We are only talking about a $100 difference.

 

[bobkn]

If you bought the good one to begin with, you would not have regrets now.

You have to keep it real, though. I doubt that you want to spring for a water cooled GTX Titan.

 

[pcRat]

Before all else; THANK YOU EVERYONE who responded in this thread. It has been real educational. Especially about understanding the video card numbers, somewhat.

Ten years ago I was getting into photo editing and animations using unfreez. Then PSP 7. Got a Wacom, got ill and medication side effects consist of tremors and blurred vision. Before that I wanted a good AGP but met a lot of resistance from someone.

If my grandson decides to try photo or video editing; I would rather he have the upper edge of good graphics to start because I know that nobody else will understand if I'm not still around. That's the reason I'm insisting on the GTX 670. Even though it's outdated, not as much as the 660.

For now, he wants a good machine to beat his dad playing WoW.

Once again everybody THANK YOU

 

[dirtyvu]

best wishes on the machine, but especially best wishes for your health.

 

[pcRat]

thanks dirtyvu. I can hardly wait for the parts to get here. Didn't get to bank today. Maybe it's an omen and a good sale at TD or Newegg will happen by Monday.


Is there any reason (like extra connectors because of EUFI or other) to get a new tower instead of using a gutted tower?

 

[bobkn]

thanks dirtyvu. I can hardly wait for the parts to get here. Didn't get to bank today. Maybe it's an omen and a good sale at TD or Newegg will happen by Monday.


Is there any reason (like extra connectors because of EUFI or other) to get a new tower instead of using a gutted tower?

Mostly no.

UEFI has nothing to do with the case.

Newer cases can have up-to-date features like front USB 3 connectors, but an old case should be OK as long as it's compatible with a standard motherboard.

That's assuming the old case isn't from an appliance PC. Dell, for example, may still be using nonstandard front panel connectors. It should be possible to overcome that, but I'd rather not mess with it myself. The Dell cases that I recall from the late 90's were more nonstandard than that: in particular, funny PSU wiring.

 

[Coke Robot]

thanks dirtyvu. I can hardly wait for the parts to get here. Didn't get to bank today. Maybe it's an omen and a good sale at TD or Newegg will happen by Monday.


Is there any reason (like extra connectors because of EUFI or other) to get a new tower instead of using a gutted tower?

Mostly no.

UEFI has nothing to do with the case.

Newer cases can have up-to-date features like front USB 3 connectors, but an old case should be OK as long as it's compatible with a standard motherboard.

That's assuming the old case isn't from an appliance PC. Dell, for example, may still be using nonstandard front panel connectors. It should be possible to overcome that, but I'd rather not mess with it myself. The Dell cases that I recall from the late 90's were more nonstandard than that: in particular, funny PSU wiring.

This is true, late '90s early 2000s Dell cases were ONLY built for Dell parts. If you wanted a new motherboard in one of those cases, you would have to mod it some.

 

[pcRat]

Finally; we got all the parts, sort of.
When it starts, there are no beeps.
My brother pitched in 2 packs of Patriot G Series ‘Sector 5’ Edition 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model PGV38G1333ELK but it will not do more than a test and shut down.

Pulled those 4 sticks and tried 1 stick of Ballistix 8GB Sport DDR3-1600 (PC3-12800) CL9 . At first it lasted longer but still shut down.
The monitor led changes color orange-to-blue and then back to orange without even saying 'No Signal' , Del for BIOS etc.

Mobo= ASUS P8 Z77-V LK Manual located here
550W PS
i7 3770K

Any ideas ??

 

[pcRat]

I tried the single 8GB stick in Dimm 1 & 2.

Can't do anything til daylight but it is acting like another computer did when I installed a new 6 GB/s hdd. Nothing until I jumped it down to 3 GB/s. Wouldn't think I need to on a 6 GB/s board and using the 6 GB/s slots.