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pcRat

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Intel Core i7-3770K Processor - Quad Core, 8MB L3 Cache, 3.50GHz (3.90GHz Max Turbo), Socket H2 (LGA1155), 77W, Fan, Unlocked, Retail (BX80667i73770K)

So far that is the only decision made for custom built computer with limited funds from long term savings.

Grandson will be using for gaming so here are a few questions.

1- Which is better SLI or Crossfire video cards?

2- Yes or no on EUFI?

Probably getting Asus mobo.

Recommendation for Quality but lower cost video card to be used on monitor or tv
 

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    8.1
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    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7-3770K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z77 Extreme4
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17" 24"
    Hard Drives
    1 TB WD
    PSU
    550w

Coke Robot

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I concur. Graphical intensive rendering is done by the GPU these days.
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD FX 8320
    Motherboard
    Crosshair V Formula-Z
    Memory
    16 gig DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS R9 270
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014

pcRat

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The cost between GTX 660 & 670 is almost double. Hope it's worth it.

What would the advantages be if WoW #1 player only has a GTX 660 and player #2 has a GTX 670 ? For the heck of it toss in player #3 with a GTX 650 .
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7-3770K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z77 Extreme4
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17" 24"
    Hard Drives
    1 TB WD
    PSU
    550w

bobkn

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The cost between GTX 660 & 670 is almost double. Hope it's worth it.

What would the advantages be if WoW #1 player only has a GTX 660 and player #2 has a GTX 670 ? For the heck of it toss in player #3 with a GTX 650 .

If the 670 is a bit expensive, consider the 660ti. It may offer the best price/performance point.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Window 8 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    I7-3930k
    Motherboard
    Asus P9X79 Pro
    Memory
    16 GB Gskill DDR3-2133
    Graphics Card(s)
    eVGA GTX 680
    Sound Card
    Soundblaster Zx
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PA246Q
    Screen Resolution
    1920X1200
    Hard Drives
    Corsair Force GT 120GB
    WD Cavair Black 1.5TB
    PSU
    PC Power & cooling Silencer 750
    Case
    Silverstone FT02B-W
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D14 w/ PWM fans
    Keyboard
    cheap Logitech USB wired
    Mouse
    old 5 button Microsoft USB optical
    Internet Speed
    6Mb cable

pparks1

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The cost between GTX 660 & 670 is almost double. Hope it's worth it.

What would the advantages be if WoW #1 player only has a GTX 660 and player #2 has a GTX 670 ? For the heck of it toss in player #3 with a GTX 650 .

I would go with a 660 myself, save the cash today and plan to buy a new card a year or two down the road. But that is just me.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Self-Built in July 2009
    CPU
    Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS
    Memory
    8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Acer x233H
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
    Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS
    PSU
    Corsair 620HX modular
    Case
    Antec P182
    Cooling
    stock
    Keyboard
    ABS M1 Mechanical
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Internet Speed
    15/2 cable modem
    Other Info
    Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset.

pcRat

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The cost between GTX 660 & 670 is almost double. Hope it's worth it.

What would the advantages be if WoW #1 player only has a GTX 660 and player #2 has a GTX 670 ? For the heck of it toss in player #3 with a GTX 650 .

I would go with a 660 myself, save the cash today and plan to buy a new card a year or two down the road. But that is just me.

Unfortunately we know how that works out for most people who can't afford the better card during the build. We can't afford it later either. I'd be sure to help him upgrade later but we never know about tomorrow. I may not be here tomorrow to help him.
If he gets into editing or something else, I'd rather he have more than less.
Between a reduction in cost by installing a used SATA hdd for storage instead of buying a new one and reduction in RAM.

Really, I'd just to know what makes the 670 so much better than the 660 ? In laymans terms.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7-3770K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z77 Extreme4
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17" 24"
    Hard Drives
    1 TB WD
    PSU
    550w

pcRat

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I just found what I asked dated feb 13 2013 @ Should I return the GTX 660 for a 670? - Graphics Cards - Graphics & Displays
I can understand the numbers but slightly on their references like Mtexels is new


Well, just based on performance I would go with it. But calculated out it comes to,
219*.85 = 186.15
so
389.99- 186.15 = 203.84
So you are paying an extra 200$ for around a %30 percent performance boost (based on this comparison). Other than that, look up the benchmarks for the games you play and decide if that 200 difference is worth it to you. Just a little note is that regardless of what you buy now, it will not be on top for very long. Nothing is "Futureproof". But that also doesn't mean that your card will be a hunk of plastic in three months, it will still run games, just not max them out.
Without further ado, here are the benchmarks:
Power Consumption (Max TDP)
GeForce GTX 660 140 Watts
Geforce GTX 670 170 Watts
Difference: 30 Watts (21%)
Memory Bandwidth
Theoretically speaking, the Geforce GTX 670 should perform quite a bit faster than the GeForce GTX 660 in general. (explain)
Geforce GTX 670 192000 MB/sec
GeForce GTX 660 144192 MB/sec
Difference: 47808 (33%)
Texel Rate
The Geforce GTX 670 will be much (approximately 31%) faster with regards to texture filtering than the GeForce GTX 660. (explain)
Geforce GTX 670 102480 Mtexels/sec
GeForce GTX 660 78400 Mtexels/sec
Difference: 24080 (31%)
Pixel Rate
If using a high resolution is important to you, then the Geforce GTX 670 is a better choice, by a large margin. (explain)
Geforce GTX 670 29280 Mpixels/sec
GeForce GTX 660 23520 Mpixels/sec
Difference: 5760 (24%)
Please note that the above 'benchmarks' are all just theoretical
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7-3770K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z77 Extreme4
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17" 24"
    Hard Drives
    1 TB WD
    PSU
    550w

pparks1

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Maybe this will help you decide;
GeForce GTX 670 vs GeForce GTX 660

I still like saving $100 on the card. Either way in 2-3 years time, both cards would be old and outdated. Have you looked at the 660TI's
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Self-Built in July 2009
    CPU
    Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS
    Memory
    8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Acer x233H
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
    Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS
    PSU
    Corsair 620HX modular
    Case
    Antec P182
    Cooling
    stock
    Keyboard
    ABS M1 Mechanical
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Internet Speed
    15/2 cable modem
    Other Info
    Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset.

pcRat

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Maybe this will help you decide;
GeForce GTX 670 vs GeForce GTX 660

I still like saving $100 on the card. Either way in 2-3 years time, both cards would be old and outdated. Have you looked at the 660TI's

Thanks for the good link pparks1. another page I emailed myself besides adding to favorites.

It made the GTX 670 decision easier. Went right along with 3 things my Dad always said
  1. If there is time to do it over, there is time to do it right the first time.
  2. You get what you paid for.
  3. If you bought the good one to begin with, you would not have regrets now.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7-3770K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z77 Extreme4
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17" 24"
    Hard Drives
    1 TB WD
    PSU
    550w

dirtyvu

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bottom line is if you can afford better hardware now, get it. not only does it get you better performance now, it also means you can hold out longer before you need to upgrade.

you really do get what you pay for. go cheap now, upgrade sooner in the future.

but of course, if you're completely stretching your budget, then pull back. food on the table and money to pay for important things always comes first.
 

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pparks1

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Maybe this will help you decide;
GeForce GTX 670 vs GeForce GTX 660

I still like saving $100 on the card. Either way in 2-3 years time, both cards would be old and outdated. Have you looked at the 660TI's

Thanks for the good link pparks1. another page I emailed myself besides adding to favorites.

It made the GTX 670 decision easier. Went right along with 3 things my Dad always said
  1. If there is time to do it over, there is time to do it right the first time.
  2. You get what you paid for.
  3. If you bought the good one to begin with, you would not have regrets now.

Well, in response to those 3 bullet points, when it comes to computer, you can always jump into the deep end and buy absurdly expensive CPU's. But if you forgo a $300 CPU, for a $1,000 CPU, in 3 years time, you will likely find out that both are outdated and outpaced by a $200 current generation processor. So, I don't always agree with the concept that if something is better you should buy it now.

In the case of these video cards, neither is absurdly expensive and going the 670 route might be the best choice. We are only talking about a $100 difference.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Self-Built in July 2009
    CPU
    Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS
    Memory
    8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Acer x233H
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
    Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS
    PSU
    Corsair 620HX modular
    Case
    Antec P182
    Cooling
    stock
    Keyboard
    ABS M1 Mechanical
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Internet Speed
    15/2 cable modem
    Other Info
    Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset.

bobkn

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If you bought the good one to begin with, you would not have regrets now.

You have to keep it real, though. I doubt that you want to spring for a water cooled GTX Titan.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Window 8 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    I7-3930k
    Motherboard
    Asus P9X79 Pro
    Memory
    16 GB Gskill DDR3-2133
    Graphics Card(s)
    eVGA GTX 680
    Sound Card
    Soundblaster Zx
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PA246Q
    Screen Resolution
    1920X1200
    Hard Drives
    Corsair Force GT 120GB
    WD Cavair Black 1.5TB
    PSU
    PC Power & cooling Silencer 750
    Case
    Silverstone FT02B-W
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D14 w/ PWM fans
    Keyboard
    cheap Logitech USB wired
    Mouse
    old 5 button Microsoft USB optical
    Internet Speed
    6Mb cable

pcRat

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Before all else; THANK YOU EVERYONE who responded in this thread. It has been real educational. Especially about understanding the video card numbers, somewhat.

Ten years ago I was getting into photo editing and animations using unfreez. Then PSP 7. Got a Wacom, got ill and medication side effects consist of tremors and blurred vision. Before that I wanted a good AGP but met a lot of resistance from someone.

If my grandson decides to try photo or video editing; I would rather he have the upper edge of good graphics to start because I know that nobody else will understand if I'm not still around. That's the reason I'm insisting on the GTX 670. Even though it's outdated, not as much as the 660.

For now, he wants a good machine to beat his dad playing WoW.

Once again everybody THANK YOU
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7-3770K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z77 Extreme4
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17" 24"
    Hard Drives
    1 TB WD
    PSU
    550w

pcRat

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thanks dirtyvu. I can hardly wait for the parts to get here. Didn't get to bank today. Maybe it's an omen and a good sale at TD or Newegg will happen by Monday.


Is there any reason (like extra connectors because of EUFI or other) to get a new tower instead of using a gutted tower?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7-3770K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z77 Extreme4
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17" 24"
    Hard Drives
    1 TB WD
    PSU
    550w

bobkn

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thanks dirtyvu. I can hardly wait for the parts to get here. Didn't get to bank today. Maybe it's an omen and a good sale at TD or Newegg will happen by Monday.


Is there any reason (like extra connectors because of EUFI or other) to get a new tower instead of using a gutted tower?

Mostly no.

UEFI has nothing to do with the case.

Newer cases can have up-to-date features like front USB 3 connectors, but an old case should be OK as long as it's compatible with a standard motherboard.

That's assuming the old case isn't from an appliance PC. Dell, for example, may still be using nonstandard front panel connectors. It should be possible to overcome that, but I'd rather not mess with it myself. The Dell cases that I recall from the late 90's were more nonstandard than that: in particular, funny PSU wiring.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Window 8 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    homebuilt
    CPU
    I7-3930k
    Motherboard
    Asus P9X79 Pro
    Memory
    16 GB Gskill DDR3-2133
    Graphics Card(s)
    eVGA GTX 680
    Sound Card
    Soundblaster Zx
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus PA246Q
    Screen Resolution
    1920X1200
    Hard Drives
    Corsair Force GT 120GB
    WD Cavair Black 1.5TB
    PSU
    PC Power & cooling Silencer 750
    Case
    Silverstone FT02B-W
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D14 w/ PWM fans
    Keyboard
    cheap Logitech USB wired
    Mouse
    old 5 button Microsoft USB optical
    Internet Speed
    6Mb cable

Coke Robot

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thanks dirtyvu. I can hardly wait for the parts to get here. Didn't get to bank today. Maybe it's an omen and a good sale at TD or Newegg will happen by Monday.


Is there any reason (like extra connectors because of EUFI or other) to get a new tower instead of using a gutted tower?

Mostly no.

UEFI has nothing to do with the case.

Newer cases can have up-to-date features like front USB 3 connectors, but an old case should be OK as long as it's compatible with a standard motherboard.

That's assuming the old case isn't from an appliance PC. Dell, for example, may still be using nonstandard front panel connectors. It should be possible to overcome that, but I'd rather not mess with it myself. The Dell cases that I recall from the late 90's were more nonstandard than that: in particular, funny PSU wiring.

This is true, late '90s early 2000s Dell cases were ONLY built for Dell parts. If you wanted a new motherboard in one of those cases, you would have to mod it some.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD FX 8320
    Motherboard
    Crosshair V Formula-Z
    Memory
    16 gig DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS R9 270
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014

pcRat

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Finally; we got all the parts, sort of.
When it starts, there are no beeps.
My brother pitched in 2 packs of Patriot G Series ‘Sector 5’ Edition 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model PGV38G1333ELK but it will not do more than a test and shut down.

Pulled those 4 sticks and tried 1 stick of Ballistix 8GB Sport DDR3-1600 (PC3-12800) CL9 . At first it lasted longer but still shut down.
The monitor led changes color orange-to-blue and then back to orange without even saying 'No Signal' , Del for BIOS etc.

Mobo= ASUS P8 Z77-V LK Manual located here
550W PS
i7 3770K

Any ideas ??
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7-3770K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z77 Extreme4
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17" 24"
    Hard Drives
    1 TB WD
    PSU
    550w

pcRat

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I tried the single 8GB stick in Dimm 1 & 2.

Can't do anything til daylight but it is acting like another computer did when I installed a new 6 GB/s hdd. Nothing until I jumped it down to 3 GB/s. Wouldn't think I need to on a 6 GB/s board and using the 6 GB/s slots.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i7-3770K
    Motherboard
    ASRock Z77 Extreme4
    Memory
    16 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    onboard
    Monitor(s) Displays
    17" 24"
    Hard Drives
    1 TB WD
    PSU
    550w
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