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Microsoft's 128GB Surface Pro sells out within hours

Just hours after Microsoft Surface Windows 8 Pro went on sale Saturday, the 128GB version of the tablet sold out online.

Shoppers for $1000 tablet at the online outlets of Best Buy and Staples, as well as Microsoft's own web store, began seeing "not available" or "out of stock" notices just hours after midnight Eastern Time when the Windows 8 slate went on sale

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Max Peck

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And I guess for me, I rarely would use the tablet as a tablet and would always be using it as a PC. Just visiting this site would be a nightmare on a tablet unless I had a keyboard and mouse. I WAS on my phone, but after seeing all of the responses that I wanted to quote and comment on, I put my phone away and grabbed my laptop because it's the only way I could have efficiently made this post.

Precisely. I absolutely love using my iPad and iPhone for many things but I am constantly running into the same issue. If I come onto a message board on one of those devices it's fine for awhile when reading but as soon as I want to make a significant post involving editing any content I'm off the couch and back at my desk where I have a real keyboard. The tablets are excellent devices for some
things.

Tablets & phones will be a replacement for the PC for some people, but certainly not for all.

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Ray8

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The reason I have 3 iPads is for travelling, I also have 3 Netbooks. Every time I go overseas, I buy the lightest travelling companion I can find. I have to justify them to my wife each time, I just say it will save us more money, because they're faster and easier or lighter. But they really do save me money, by looking up cheap flights hotels etc.

I seriously can't believe that anything faster and lighter than yesterday's model, or yesteryear's model, is going to save money, if all it's used for is browsing the Internet. Using this logic, there is no place in Bill's life for a Surface, as it's certainly not the lightest device out there and possibly not the fastest.

One can also see that Bill is anything but a typical Windows user, or consumer for that matter, like many here that raise issues about Windows 8 and so cannot relate to those people and their concerns. No wonder he's so defensive of any complaints, he simply cannot comprehend how those people can find issues with Windows 8.
 

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I agree with your comments Max, especially with apps. Apple, especially, has consolidated its hold in a lot of professional and non-professional environments, aviation and medicine to name just two. Microsoft has always struggled to get developers on side to produce anything worthwhile. One of the things that I use my tablet for is off-road navigation and none of the major software providers cater for off-road, or on-road navigation on Windows; however, they all support Apple and Android.

Microsoft can click-clack and play Funky Town all they like, but they really need to separate the funk from the functional.

Microsoft has always been stronger in the enterprise markets and with desktop O/S software. Sometimes, honestly, I wonder why some companies just can't be content with the market they are in. They have to try and attack everything. It would have done Microsoft no harm to have simply said "Hey ... we're a PC software company and will continue to be the best at that and in the enterprise", but no ... they had to go try to take on Apple where Apple excels. I think Microsoft is in the middle of an identity crisis.

I swear by Windows as a desktop O/S. For heavy data-intensive and professional software it can't be touched. As a vendor of tablet software? Not so much.

-Max

Theres no way any company can just sit back in this day and age, look at Nokia, RIM, Sony, LG etc, innovate or die.

You missed my point. I didn't say MS should stop innovating. I'm saying that they shouldn't try to be everything to everybody, in ANY market. OK, then, by your logic maybe they should start innovating in the fast-food space. Microsoft hamburgers anybody?

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The reason I have 3 iPads is for travelling, I also have 3 Netbooks. Every time I go overseas, I buy the lightest travelling companion I can find. I have to justify them to my wife each time, I just say it will save us more money, because they're faster and easier or lighter. But they really do save me money, by looking up cheap flights hotels etc.

I seriously can't believe that anything faster and lighter than yesterday's model, or yesteryear's model, is going to save money, if all it's used for is browsing the Internet. Using this logic, there is no place in Bill's life for a Surface, as it's certainly not the lightest device out there and possibly not the fastest.

One can also see that Bill is anything but a typical Windows user, or consumer for that matter, like many here that raise issues about Windows 8 and so cannot relate to those people and their concerns. No wonder he's so defensive of any complaints, he simply cannot comprehend how those people can find issues with Windows 8.

I've never said I was a typical user, I've always said I'm a Tech nut, but I used to be chained to a desktop as well, so I can see both sides. It's because I'm a tech nut that I can see what Microsoft is trying to achieve and can see the huge benefits, especially for business, but for anyone like me who's completely Networked with various PCs and tablets and phones.

Certainly I can see someone who has a single desktop thinking, what's going on here I'm quite happy with XP or whatever, what's Microsoft doing. But when you have multiple devices all networked the vision is clear, I must admit I'm really starting to enjoy Skydrive.

I can tell you now the iPad 3 isn't the lightest or fastest tablet on the planet either, but it's quite good for its purpose and so will Surface be.
 

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I'm sitting here with my iPad in one hand typing with one finger, it's amazing how fast you get. If I have to do a resume or something naturally it's the PC or Netbook.
Typing speed is all relative. I've had IT friends that type with 2 fingers on a physical keyboard, so they probably type just as fast on their phones or their tablets. I type relatively quickly, with very few mistakes and use all of my fingers. This response here probably took me 20 seconds, tops.
 

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I'm sitting here with my iPad in one hand typing with one finger, it's amazing how fast you get. If I have to do a resume or something naturally it's the PC or Netbook.
Typing speed is all relative. I've had IT friends that type with 2 fingers on a physical keyboard, so they probably type just as fast on their phones or their tablets. I type relatively quickly, with very few mistakes and use all of my fingers. This response here probably took me 20 seconds, tops.

Yeah I'm pretty gifted when it comes to typing, when I'm hot I can do about 5 wpm, when I'm on fire I can get up to about 8.
 

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Yeah I'm pretty gifted when it comes to typing, when I'm hot I can do about 5 wpm, when I'm on fire I can get up to about 8.

LOL!

When I was in junior high, I remember signing up for an elective keyboarding class. I honestly thought it was a music class until I went to the classroom and found the room full of IBM Selectric typewriters. I remember thinking, "When in the hell is this ever going to be useful".

Then, in high school, I ended up taking a business typing class as well. Again, figured it was a useless skill, but was necessary to get credits in order to graduate.

Now, looking back on things, typing is probably the single most useful thing that I ever learned in high school. Spelling ranks right up there too. But I'm amazed at how absolutely critical typing has been in my life.
 

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Coke Robot

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I actually would prefer to interact with the Desktop with touch. From my toying around with DPI settings on Windows 8 and a touchscreen, that makes a WORLD of a difference with touch input. Targets are just sized up a notch, which is all that you really need quite honestly is that DPI change, maybe changing icon size as well but that's dependent on the person.

Typing with touch on Windows 8 is also what makes it better suited for tablets than 7, that keyboard layout in Windows 8 is honestly the very best touch keyboard on a tablet I've come across to date.

But, if you have a tablet PC running 7 and end up using it more with a mouse and keyboard than touch.....it sounds like some purpose is defeated, no? Also, Windows 8 is just SO much more better on the Desktop than 7. There is Storage Spaces to take advantage of (if you're running Pro on a tablet, you have data redundancy features, on a TABLET!), Hybrid Boot, a revamped Task Manager, Windows Defender, and just overall improvements that makes using Windows 7 almost like using a rotary dial telephone over a keypad phone.

Unfortunately, it just doesn't work that way. As posted in one of the reviews, changing the DPI settings upsets other things, so it's a kludge. This is where Microsoft erred in a big way, they should have allowed Windows 8 to work at any screen resolution and that would have addressed a number of issues. It almost seems that they have acknowledged this in a backhand sort of way, by displaying some things at 150%.

If you're suggesting that using a mouse and keyboard with a tablet is defeating the purpose, can you please ask Microsoft why they produced the click-clack keyboards. Clearly they thought that a keyboard was important, or even essential. But what do they know?

The main issue that just about everyone has with Windows 8 has nothing to do with the underlying OS and the incremental improvements that it has added to the Windows 7 baseline. And, seriously, the examples that you mention in no way affect the average user experience, or would even be evident to the average user. Certainly the click-clack suits in Funky Town would think a Storage Space was in the attic or basement of their house, and a Hybrid Boot was something you could wear to a football match and later to a cocktail party.
There's a reason why the resolution was bumped up for the first time in six years: too low of resolution and too small screen size can cause issues with certain Desktop software. Some programs that don't resize the window and display in one window size won't actually fit in the screen. This was a problem I saw with netbooks and that screen resolution, a program I once had installed and usually they're utilities than anything, the Taskbar hides certain pieces of the program's window, so the user experience suffers, and the UI suffers some. Also, standards need to be improved. Just because YOUR tablet PC doesn't meet the proper resolution isn't cause to make industry standard for a software to change just for you.

And there is a reason why the clicky clacky keyboard doesn't come as standard equipment with a base Surface tablet.

And no, every person that uses Windows that actually KNOWS how to use it will use those features. Task Manager is one that will be used more often, as Action Center notifies you of start up programs that causes long boot times, which will open Task Manager. People that don't buy or install an anti-virus program benefits from Windows Defender after the first boot up of their PC. People that shut down their PC daily and boot up daily benefits from Hybrid Boot even if they don't know what it is, if it's faster it's better.
 

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$1000 for a tablet? Eh...

Granted, I haven't looked into the specs or anything in this variation of the Surface, but that much for a Tablet is just, I can't comprehend buying something like that.

1,000 dollars for a PC. It's pretty hard to comprehend for many people that a tablet and a PC can be one.
 

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Coke Robot

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If you ask me right now, why there is hesitation all around against tablet PCs is simply because...........

This hasn't been done in the mainstream before. This is an old idea that has been reinvigorated in a time where the idea of a tablet is a neutered smartphone OS on a 10 inch screen that does simple tasks. Keyword here, SIMPLE TASKS. Ask anyone who hates the idea of a tablet what they consider a tablet does, SIMPLE TASKS. A the term PC to tablet, tablet PC, it ends up doing EVERTYHING that a phablet does and what a PC does.

In the case of the Surface Pro, it's either a sucky laptop, sucky tablet, great ultrabook, awesome tablet, iffy device replacement, or all of the above. It's being interpreted by so many different people with different interpretations of what a form factor like that should do.

Better yet, anyone here would probably choose a netbook over an android or ipad. Why? It costs less, it runs Windows software on a Desktop. Add a touch screen to the netbook, all of a sudden it becomes this awful monstrosity. Why is that?

And pparks, yes, I am different. I approach new technology not with hesitation because it's different, I approach new technology as a new opportunities to get to point A to point B better and faster. That's what Windows 8 has been for me, point A to point B faster and easier, ESPECIALLY with a Microsoft Touch Mouse. I don't believe Windows 8 took anything away from 7, things were just added. Some have seen this as preposterous as they firmly believe EVERYTHING was taken away from Windows 8 over 7. But that's them. That's not who I'd be particularly concerned about at all. The people I'd be concerned about using Windows 8 are the young, the ones who are more OPEN to new changes versus the older who are dead set in certain ways, like a desktop tower and mouse and Ethernet cabling; not that there's anything wrong with that. It's just that young people are the reason why that's not the norm anymore, laptops with touchpads and even touchscreens are the norm along with wifi. They're the reason why phablets are being used over laptops. That's just change. Windows 8 is change. At this point, I could really care less what the more older Windows user thinks about Windows 8 simply because different times dictate different things will be adopted, and right now, the young and young at heart care more for Windows 8 oddly enough, than some people here on this forum.
 

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Ray8

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There's a reason why the resolution was bumped up for the first time in six years: too low of resolution and too small screen size can cause issues with certain Desktop software. Some programs that don't resize the window and display in one window size won't actually fit in the screen. This was a problem I saw with netbooks and that screen resolution, a program I once had installed and usually they're utilities than anything, the Taskbar hides certain pieces of the program's window, so the user experience suffers, and the UI suffers some. Also, standards need to be improved. Just because YOUR tablet PC doesn't meet the proper resolution isn't cause to make industry standard for a software to change just for you.

And there is a reason why the clicky clacky keyboard doesn't come as standard equipment with a base Surface tablet.

And no, every person that uses Windows that actually KNOWS how to use it will use those features. Task Manager is one that will be used more often, as Action Center notifies you of start up programs that causes long boot times, which will open Task Manager. People that don't buy or install an anti-virus program benefits from Windows Defender after the first boot up of their PC. People that shut down their PC daily and boot up daily benefits from Hybrid Boot even if they don't know what it is, if it's faster it's better.

I've never had any software that hasn't scaled to the native resolution of the screen, ever! Why is it that Office, Photoshop and every other program on my tablet, my 9" screen notebook, my 23" desktop screen and my other devices all display correctly? The only software that displays but won't work, is the Windows 8 MPI, everything else works fine. Your argument is rubbish.

And who said anything about the keyboard coming standard or not? It wasn't me. I was saying that if a keyboard wasn't important, Microsoft would not have made one. I believe that a keyboard with a tablet is important, that's why I have one for my tablet.

And, as I've said repeatedly, there is nothing wrong with the underlying OS and the features that have been available in Windows 7 and improved upon in Windows 8. The problem is with the MPI.

Why are you accusing me of, and then debating, things that I haven't said?
 

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The people I'd be concerned about using Windows 8 are the young, the ones who are more OPEN to new changes versus the older who are dead set in certain ways, like a desktop tower and mouse and Ethernet cabling;


Great irony here because you have not changed your POV on this since - ever. People have told you over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over specifically why they don't like Windows 8 and it ain't because of some generic change. You can't grasp it. Not everyone thinks like you, not everyone works like you. This flies over your head. It's staggering.

Repeatedly I've said - make everyone communicate in eightforums in a language other than English. Pick any language. From now on Coke, you gotta type in Sumerian cuneiform. It's change! Change is always good no matter what!

I would guess that 99.999999% of every single Windows 8 hater is a Windows 7 lover. Where did those Windows 7 people come from? Vista/XP or thin air? I'm gonna guess Vista/XP and I'm also gonna guess their overall demand for change didn't come to a screeching halt in the last decade.

Ethernet cable - I've got FiOS internet. The speed is beyond insane. Theoretically, a 802.11n router can handle my speed. In most real life situations, it cannot. My patience for beyond blazing, 100%-pure wireless internet is thin. I want it yesterday.

Yet I don't like Windows 8.

The other month I bought a new subwoofer. It's wired. I hate that it's wired. I wish it were wireless. Many reasons why wireless is not an option, including wireless systems flat-out do not sound as good as wired ones yet. That's unfortunate because, like I said, I want wireless (i.e., change.)

Yet I don't like Windows 8.

I've got a quad-core smartphone with a big huge screen.

Yet I don't like Windows 8.

I watch almost all movies, watch almost all TV shows, read almost every book, read every newspaper and magazine, listen to all music on my iPod, phone, tablet, laptop or desktop.

Yet I don't like Windows 8.

Minor clarification: I like Windows 8 tablets and phones.

Yet I don't like Windows 8 for desktops.

I'm telling you, Coke, you aren't as thoughtful about this subject as you think you are.
 

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Photoshop and Autocad on an 11 inch tablet sounds a real joy.
It actually does.

Sorry I actually spend my time working in Creative Suite, believe me you want a big monitor (three is even better) not a 10 inch tablet. The iPad has Photoshop Touch which is very nice but a 10 inch screen is never going to replace a real work set up.

I don't think a 10" tablet will ever replace a real work setup either, but what if the tab and PC are running the same Apps like Photoshop and you save your work to Skydrive, jump on a plane with your tablet and do some editing while you're on a flight, surely that's got to be a bonus and can easily be done.

Or if you're writing a novel at home, it's a nice day, you go and sit in a park under a tree and start where you left off, it's all possible with Windows 8 and Surface, or any Windows 8 tablet.
 

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Ray8

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You can connect to Skydrive while flying over the Pacific or Atlantic? Mind you, wouldn't it be easier to save the entire file, or set of files, on your tablet/laptop?

I never realised that you couldn't write a novel on a tablet/laptop running anything less that Windows 8. What is this 'novel' feature that Windows 8 has that the previous versions do not?
 

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Microsoft starts shipping Surface Pros again, promises more to market 'quickly'

As such, it's begun dispatching 64GB SKUs to Best Buy, Staples and its own Microsoft Store in the US, with Canada to follow in a few days.

Microsoft starts shipping Surface Pros again, promises more to market 'quickly'

Why even bother with the 64GB version? It's like doing everything backwards. First the RT and then the lowest specced versions of the Pro. The Surface should have been available with a 256GB SSD as standard, as these are now so cheap that 64GB is what you have on an SD card.
 

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You can connect to Skydrive while flying over the Pacific or Atlantic? Mind you, wouldn't it be easier to save the entire file, or set of files, on your tablet/laptop?

I never realised that you couldn't write a novel on a tablet/laptop running anything less that Windows 8. What is this 'novel' feature that Windows 8 has that the previous versions do not?

Well actually you don't have to save stuff to Skydrive once you set it up, it does it automatically, and yes you can use it offline, it's pretty neat actually. You can do most things on all the latest versions of Windows, it's just that Windows 8 is much more connected. I downloaded Office 365 today, the new interface is a bit of a shock, but the Skydrive connection is great.

The more I use Windows 8, there's just no way I could ever go back to 7.
 

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Microsoft starts shipping Surface Pros again, promises more to market 'quickly'

As such, it's begun dispatching 64GB SKUs to Best Buy, Staples and its own Microsoft Store in the US, with Canada to follow in a few days.

Microsoft starts shipping Surface Pros again, promises more to market 'quickly'

Why even bother with the 64GB version? It's like doing everything backwards. First the RT and then the lowest specced versions of the Pro. The Surface should have been available with a 256GB SSD as standard, as these are now so cheap that 64GB is what you have on an SD card.

I hate to keep saying this Ray, but tell Apple and Google as well. If MS brought out a 256GB version for a couple of hundred dollars more, imagine what the hordes would have done then.
 

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