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Microsoft Releases Windows 8.1 Upgrade Information for Win


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Windows 8.1 is now up for preorder, so you can reserve your own copy of the operating system only, while shipments will only begin on October 18.

But before buying Windows
8.1, there are couple of things you need to know first, including details concerning the upgrading process to this new platform.

Just like Microsoft
mentions on the Windows 8.1 page of the official store, “Windows 8.1 is not designed for installation on devices running Windows XP or Windows Vista,” which means that a clean install is needed if you’re willing to switch to 8.1 from these two old operating systems.

On the other hand, if you’re already running Windows 7 right now, upgrading to 8.1 is piece of cake, as all files are automatically transferred to your new
copy of Windows.
Microsoft Releases Windows 8.1 Upgrade Information for Windows XP, Vista Users
 

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I find this part curious:
In case you’re a Windows XP or Vista user, Microsoft recommends to first purchase Windows 8 and only then get the free update to 8.1 from the Store.

“If you’re running Windows 8, visit the Windows Store for a free update to Windows 8.1 starting on October 17. If you're running Windows 7, your files will easily transfer. If you're running Windows Vista or earlier, qualify for the free upgrade to Windows 8.1 by purchasing Windows 8 now,” the company explained.
I was wondering why MS are recommending installing 8 first then 8,1, over clean installing 8.1, because the end result is surely that you'd have 8.1 running on the same hardware, and a clean install would generally be better?

The only reasons I can think of why Microsoft would say this are:
  1. in Windows 8 you can use the Upgrade Assistant to check out the hardware; presumably there won't be one for 8.1
  2. you may keep more files using the 8 installer from Vista and XP - and then keep them again in a 8.0->8.1 Store upgrade
Basically I'm concluding that the 8.0 installer is better than the 8.1 installer!

There is a possible 3rd reason of course - it may be cheaper to go via 8.0 - but Microsoft are unlikely to see that as an advantage.

But it also suggests that MS might keep selling Windows 8.0 for a while after 8.1 is released, for instance to all those Windows XP users that presumably MS would love to upgrade by April 2014.
 

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Nah, Win8 will disappear fairly quickly being replaced by Windows 8.1.
 

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Nah, Win8 will disappear fairly quickly being replaced by Windows 8.1.
So if 8.1 is "not designed for" PCs running XP, and people can't buy 7 or 8.0 from Microsoft (presumably they will linger on Amazon etc. for a while), I wonder what is the official MS view on what those XP users are supposed to do in April 2014?
 

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I find this part curious:
In case you’re a Windows XP or Vista user, Microsoft recommends to first purchase Windows 8 and only then get the free update to 8.1 from the Store.

“If you’re running Windows 8, visit the Windows Store for a free update to Windows 8.1 starting on October 17. If you're running Windows 7, your files will easily transfer. If you're running Windows Vista or earlier, qualify for the free upgrade to Windows 8.1 by purchasing Windows 8 now,” the company explained.
I was wondering why MS are recommending installing 8 first then 8,1, over clean installing 8.1, because the end result is surely that you'd have 8.1 running on the same hardware, and a clean install would generally be better?

The only reasons I can think of why Microsoft would say this are:
  1. in Windows 8 you can use the Upgrade Assistant to check out the hardware; presumably there won't be one for 8.1
  2. you may keep more files using the 8 installer from Vista and XP - and then keep them again in a 8.0->8.1 Store upgrade
Basically I'm concluding that the 8.0 installer is better than the 8.1 installer!

There is a possible 3rd reason of course - it may be cheaper to go via 8.0 - but Microsoft are unlikely to see that as an advantage.

But it also suggests that MS might keep selling Windows 8.0 for a while after 8.1 is released, for instance to all those Windows XP users that presumably MS would love to upgrade by April 2014.
Here is the reason you may be able to buy a copy of win8 upgrade for less than a copy of win 8.1.

[h=3]Upgrading from Windows 7 (or earlier) to Windows 8.1[/h] You can do this in either of two ways:

  • Upgrade to Windows 8 or Windows 8 Pro first and then install the free Windows 8.1 update. OR
  • Upgrade directly to Windows 8.1 from Windows 7, by purchasing an online upgrade or a retail boxed copy.
Regardless of which upgrade path you choose, the resulting installation is exactly the same. In either case, you’ll need to reinstall all your desktop programs.
Note that you might be able to find a better deal on a Windows 8 or Windows 8 Pro upgrade. Those packages are more heavily discounted than the newer Windows 8.1 packages. In exchange for a few extra minutes of setup you can save a hefty chunk of change.
Everything you need to know about your Windows 8.1 upgrade options | ZDNet
 

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When having a WIndows 8 Pro Upgrade dvd, will it be possible to slipstreme the "8.1" upgrade into an image, so it can be used to make a clean install with Windows 8.1 later on?

If so, do we need any 3.parts program to do so, or will this be possible with Microsoft-programs?
 

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Nah, Win8 will disappear fairly quickly being replaced by Windows 8.1.
So if 8.1 is "not designed for" PCs running XP, and people can't buy 7 or 8.0 from Microsoft (presumably they will linger on Amazon etc. for a while), I wonder what is the official MS view on what those XP users are supposed to do in April 2014?
When they say "not designed for", they are referring to the upgrade installation path, ie. installing from within your running Windows version, XP and Vista. You can do a clean install on just about any machine that can run XP, and any machine that runs Vista.
Of coarse, you can buy Windows 8.1 and clean install.
 

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that is quite unfair and i am not gettng the logic behind such an condition imposed on XP and Vista users .. what the way they want to win 8.1 popular
 

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that is quite unfair and i am not gettng the logic behind such an condition imposed on XP and Vista users .. what the way they want to win 8.1 popular
Not really unfair.
I think it is badly worded. The full text in the original blog was
"Windows 8.1 is not designed for installation on devices running Windows
XP or Windows Vista. Although not designed or recommended for devices
running Windows XP or Windows Vista, consumers still wanting to upgrade
from Windows XP or Windows Vista should buy the retail DVD instead of
using the download and boot from the DVD to do a clean install of
Windows 8.1. Note: files, settings and programs will not transfer –
Consumers will need to back up their files and settings, perform clean
installation, and then reinstall their files, settings and programs."

Their is no way that Microsoft, or the installation media, can determine that, because your computer is running , say XP, it can not handle Windows 8 or 8.1. I, like many, for family purposes, have XP in a dual boot. My computer(s) runs Windows 8 without a hiccup.
If you read my original quote, I think the meaning, as I say "badly worded", is that if you try an update over any other than windows 8, you may, or will, end up with a disaster, and certainly will lose your previous third party programs. Hence their recommendation that you buy the full product.
 
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When you say 8.1 Full Version, is this the same as in the past as with windows 7 that if the computer you put it on dies you can install it on another computer and you can continue this forever? I ask because the way they keep changing things its hard to know. Just want to be sure Full Version means what it did before. Thanks
 

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Yes, that is correct, a full version can be moved to another device, but not ran on two or more devices at the same time.
 

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So in essence for those running 8 as is, it's basically the same as installing a Service Pack? Good to know.

One thing I haven't seen mention of is what, if any, ramifications of not updating 8 to 8.1 will be.
 

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So in essence for those running 8 as is, it's basically the same as installing a Service Pack? Good to know.

One thing I haven't seen mention of is what, if any, ramifications of not updating 8 to 8.1 will be.
It will be similar to a service pack but done in a different way. You'll update though the Windows Store not though Windows update. You won't see a standalone installer package either like you would with a service pack. At least that's the way I read it. To actually get install media you'll have to buy it. That's why its free to Windows 8 users as they are the only ones that can get it though the Windows Store. Technically its more than just a service pack. The Windows kernel is upgraded so its an upgrade to a new OS, not just adding features like a service pack does. The ISO is going to be Windows 8.1 not Windows 8 with SP1. This is a big update. My advice to anyone that's going to update though the store is to make a set of recovery media, if you haven't already, and or make an image of your current install before you update. Just in case.
 

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All good advice, Kerry. :thumb:

Please allow me to sum up what you stated > It will be upgrading to a new OS via the Store, not the usual upgrading process.

In addition, they may perform it as they did with 8 to 8.1RP where one had to retrieve an "upgrade update" via Windows Update which only then allowed the upgrade as per Brink's tutorial: http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/27188-windows-8-1-preview-download-install.html

As you may know, personally I was never able to upgrade that way upon 2 attempts, but rather fresh installed via the downloaded ISO. Hopefully all will go well this time. I'd much rather fresh install, though.
 

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I upgraded to the preview though the store and had issues. It's debatable whether that was because it was only the preview or it was because of doing an upgrade. I clean installed the RTM on two PC's so far and no issues. I'll take a clean install over an upgrade any day of the week.
 

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I'm still debating what path I want to take.I would like to do a clean install but it looks like that's not going to be possible. On my desktop to start over again I would have to load the OEM version of Windows 7, then upgrade to 8.0, then to 8.1. My other idea is to go ahead and buy another copy of the Windows 8.0 OEM and update from there. From what I hear Windows 8.0 OEM is cheaper than what the full version of 8.1 will cost.
 

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I upgraded to the preview though the store and had issues. It's debatable whether that was because it was only the preview or it was because of doing an upgrade. I clean installed the RTM on two PC's so far and no issues. I'll take a clean install over an upgrade any day of the week.
It's hard to say isn't it? The fresh install of RP from the ISO straight from the hard drive was/is buggy for me. Nothing major. Just minor stuff. A few scannow-s and DISMs seemed to have helped. I could never quite get it to a 99.9%. (Lol! There never 100%). My 8 fresh installed from purchased OEM disk runs flawless.
 

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So in essence for those running 8 as is, it's basically the same as installing a Service Pack? Good to know.

One thing I haven't seen mention of is what, if any, ramifications of not updating 8 to 8.1 will be.
The ramifications will show in 2 years. That is when support for Windows 8 will end and you will get no more monthly security updates.

Jim :cool:
 

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So in essence for those running 8 as is, it's basically the same as installing a Service Pack? Good to know.

One thing I haven't seen mention of is what, if any, ramifications of not updating 8 to 8.1 will be.
The ramifications will show in 2 years. That is when support for Windows 8 will end and you will get no more monthly security updates.

Jim :cool:
By that time we will be running some Preview of 9 or something like it.
 

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I have only an Windows 8 Pro Upgrade dvd (Danish language). I have tried to install the .ISO of Windows 8.1 Pro, but my cd-key don't work, as the win8.1 is not an upgrade (of cource). So I have never seen Windows 8.1 in action, and I have some question about it, that some of you might know the answer to? I hope ;)

So how do I:

1) Get the upgrade to win8.1 (danish language)?
2) make some sort of installable media from clean PC to Windows 8.1 Pro? (my upgrade DVD can be clean installed)
3) get info of how much free space I need on my C-drive for this upgrade to be a success (using a SSD)
4) Will there be any driver issues? (have a Windows 7 Intel USB3 driver installed now, as the build in USB 3 driver in Windows 8 is slow as he.., as described here:
http://www.eightforums.com/drivers-hardware/13877-usb3-still-missing-new-intel-usb3-driver.html look at #10)
 

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