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Intel Rapid Storage Technology in NON-RAID system


GracieAllen

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#1
I don't know if this is a general thing, or some specific thing that should be elsewhere, so...

Asus X99 Deluxe, 5820k, 1TB SSD, 3TB data HDD, 2TB backup HDD

The system I just put together does NOT have any RAID disks. I've had RAID setups in the past and found that the frequency of disk failure was DRASTICALLY lower than the frequency of stupid human tricks (my failure). So, I have internal and external backups that run regularly.

I looked at the information at Intel on the Rapid Storage Technology. It CLAIMS a variety of performance and reliability gains even WITHOUT RAID. So, I turned it on.

I ignored the Ctrl/I invite to create RAID volumes and let the 8.1 system boot normally. Won't boot. After a LONG time sitting and spinning, a VERY quick screen flashes that it encountered errors and throws me back to the BIOS.

If I turn RST back off, boots normally...

Two questions: IS there, in fact, any advantage to what RST provides for non-RAID systems? Intel claims improvements for both HDD and SDD drives. I've seen topics that claimed performance improvements because the drivers are better than the default ones. I've seen entries that claimed absolutely NO improvement...

If there IS an advantage, can someone tell me how to get RST to work properly in a non-RAID system?
 

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Don't use it myself. Had it installed for awhile and seemed to cause problems. Uninstalled and don't notice any performance hit.

Personally believe the fewer of these add-ons you can run with the better.
 

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#3
Don't use it myself. Had it installed for awhile and seemed to cause problems. Uninstalled and don't notice any performance hit.

Personally believe the fewer of these add-ons you can run with the better.
I agree. I think Intel Rapid Storage is a gimmick and doesn't help your system. I have it on my laptop and I don't notice any improvement in performance. Software can aid hardware, but the hardware will only operate as fast as it is intended to. No software can change this. Intel Rapid Storage Technology page doesn't have any explanation for how it works. Just leave it uninstalled if it bothers your system. If you want increased performance, install Windows on a SSD.

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Intel® Rapid Storage Technology
 

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#4
Interesting. Well, if the claims of magical performance benefits aren't of much value, unless someone else shows up with information that says there IS enough benefit to make it worth messing with, I think I'll just leave it turned off and not mess with it...
 

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leave it off.. don't install more crap ..

really think through this one... it's pretty obvious..

if Intel Rapid whatever crap it's called really was worth it.. wouldn't they have built it in to the cpu/hardware already??

why is it something outside that you need to install after windows is installed?

did you think through this one yet?

obviously intel is in testing stage with this still or they would naturally put it in there chips etc.. and companies would use it as normal.. built-in already..

*edit - I literally just went over intel's website hunting for what rapid does and/or is.. you can not find a single thing that makes sense on their website..

apparently it's something to do with putting stuff in cache is my guess. to try to be like ram or something.. but regardless..

this is so true - "your hardware can only run as fast as intended".. buy an ssd.. (probably samsung)
 

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#6
leave it off.. don't install more crap ..

really think through this one... it's pretty obvious..

if Intel Rapid whatever crap it's called really was worth it.. wouldn't they have built it in to the cpu/hardware already??

why is it something outside that you need to install after windows is installed?

did you think through this one yet?

obviously intel is in testing stage with this still or they would naturally put it in there chips etc.. and companies would use it as normal.. built-in already..
They've had Intel RST for like 10 years... It's nothing new... It's a marketing scheme to use against AMD.
 

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ok i'll take that as an answer too.. funny i have stock in AMD.. you know its like $2.50 a share right now?? haha.. too funny..

anyway here is intel crap..


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Intel® Rapid Storage Technology offers new levels of protection, performance and expandability for desktop and mobile platforms. Whether using one or multiple hard drives, users can take advantage of enhanced performance and lower power consumption. When using more than one drive, the user can have added protection against data loss in the event of a hard drive failure.
The Intel Rapid Storage Technology user interface makes creating and managing your storage simple and intuitive. Combined with Intel® Rapid Recover Technology, setting up data protection can be done easily with an external drive.
Valuable digital memories are protected against a hard drive failure when the system is configured for any one of three fault-tolerant RAID levels: RAID 1, RAID 5 or RAID 10. By seamlessly storing copies of data on one or more additional hard drives, any hard drive can fail without data loss or system downtime. When the failed drive is removed and a replacement hard drive is installed, data fault tolerance is easily restored.
Intel® Rapid Storage Technology can also improve the performance of disk intensive retrieval applications such as editing home video. By combining from two to six drives in a RAID 0 configuration, data can be accessed on each drive simultaneously. This configuration speeds up response time on data-intensive applications. Also, due to drive load balancing, even systems with RAID 1 can take advantage of faster boot times and data reads.
Intel Rapid Storage Technology provides benefits to users of single drives as well. Through AHCI, storage performance is improved with Native Command Queuing (NCQ). AHCI also delivers longer battery life with Link Power Management (LPM), which can reduce the power consumption of the chipset and Serial ATA (SATA) hard drive.
Related topicsRAID 0, 1, 5, 10, Matrix RAID, RAID-ReadySupported chipsets and controller hubsRAID features by chipset/controller hub

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#8
ok i'll take that as an answer too.. funny i have stock in AMD.. you know its like $2.50 a share right now?? haha.. too funny..

anyway here is intel crap..


[TD="class: subhd"]Intel® Rapid Storage Technology (Intel® RST)

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Intel® Rapid Storage Technology offers new levels of protection, performance and expandability for desktop and mobile platforms. Whether using one or multiple hard drives, users can take advantage of enhanced performance and lower power consumption. When using more than one drive, the user can have added protection against data loss in the event of a hard drive failure.
The Intel Rapid Storage Technology user interface makes creating and managing your storage simple and intuitive. Combined with Intel® Rapid Recover Technology, setting up data protection can be done easily with an external drive.
Valuable digital memories are protected against a hard drive failure when the system is configured for any one of three fault-tolerant RAID levels: RAID 1, RAID 5 or RAID 10. By seamlessly storing copies of data on one or more additional hard drives, any hard drive can fail without data loss or system downtime. When the failed drive is removed and a replacement hard drive is installed, data fault tolerance is easily restored.
Intel® Rapid Storage Technology can also improve the performance of disk intensive retrieval applications such as editing home video. By combining from two to six drives in a RAID 0 configuration, data can be accessed on each drive simultaneously. This configuration speeds up response time on data-intensive applications. Also, due to drive load balancing, even systems with RAID 1 can take advantage of faster boot times and data reads.
Intel Rapid Storage Technology provides benefits to users of single drives as well. Through AHCI, storage performance is improved with Native Command Queuing (NCQ). AHCI also delivers longer battery life with Link Power Management (LPM), which can reduce the power consumption of the chipset and Serial ATA (SATA) hard drive.
Related topicsRAID 0, 1, 5, 10, Matrix RAID, RAID-ReadySupported chipsets and controller hubsRAID features by chipset/controller hub

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I have always liked AMD, and had an AMD laptop which ran quite good. I just choose intel over AMD on Mobile platforms because they have better support and wider availability of hardware configurations. If I was going to build a Desktop, I would DEFINITELY choose AMD over intel. Price, Performance, and Simplicity is what I recognize with AMD. The worst thing, at least I believe, for a computer is to add bloatware. Intel has a lot of bloatware, such as the RST. AMD's are overclockable in the OS as well... But I am sure Intel does this too... It all boils down to price. Why pay a premium when they do the same damn thing?
 

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So even if it does do something worthwhile, the way I read it, only useful for RAID if at all. :p
 

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So even if it does do something worthwhile, the way I read it, only useful for RAID if at all. :p
Essentially... Even if you have RAID, I would dump it.
 

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for those telling OP to use a SSD drive ,look in his first post ,he has a 1tb ssd ,wish on ,as i will

also i just went to intel and read this,and it makes some sense to me ,works like raid with out having raid
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Intel® Rapid Recover Technology is a feature of Intel® Rapid Storage Technology (Intel® RST). It uses RAID 1 (mirroring) functionality to copy data from a designated master drive to a designated recovery drive. The master drive data can be copied to the recovery drive either continuously or on request:

  • Continuous: Changes made to data on the master drive while the system is not docked are automatically copied to the recovery drive when the system is re-docked.
  • On request: The master drive data is restored to a previous state by copying the data on the recovery drive back to the master drive.

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  • More control over how data is copied between master and recovery drives.
  • Fast volume updates (only changes to the master drive since the last update are copied to the recovery drive).
  • Member hard drive data can be viewed in Microsoft Windows Explorer*.
Disadvantage
  • No increase in volume capacity.
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  • Critical data protection for mobile systems.
  • Fast restoration of the master drive to a previous or default state.

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Caperjack, I just know personally it never worked well for me, experienced drive related problems with straight ACHI. Awhile back and can't spell them out exactly, flaky drive related things though. I can't recommend it myself, maybe works great for other people though.
 

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have never used it myself ,but when i get a chance after the holidays i think i will give it a try
 

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I'm sure it slightly improves a 0.5 second boot time etc.. I'm sure it's great for raid...

And I'm sure it will cause unknown conflicts..

So go ahead and try to squeeze 1 more second out of copying data
 

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#17
I pulled this from an Intel Forum. Just to clarify everything, according to them, Intel Rapid Storage Technology does zip, zero, nada for a non raid system. It is just pre-installed bloatware on a PC without RAID, to my understanding.

1. Re: In non-RAID, what does RST do over stock SATA drivers?


joe_intel Aug 21, 2013 3:51 PM (in response to wwwhy)

Hello,

There is no advantage of using Intel® RST if you are not going to use RAID volumes.

If you do not need IRST and do not want those services to be running in the background, you may just uninstall the software as otherwise modifying the services may cause unwanted behavior in the software.
What is more interesting...

2. Re: In non-RAID, what does RST do over stock SATA drivers?


Merwinsson Aug 25, 2013 7:14 PM (in response to joe_intel)

Not only is there little to no advantage to running the Intel RST drivers, but once you've installed them, you're STUCK with them (with only one possible out). You see, for reasons I can only speculate upon, Intel decided to NOT make the RST installation process reversible. So, even if you DO uninstall RST, it's still driving your SATA devices anyways. The only thing the uninstaller really does is to remove the UI app and the tray icon, that's it. Neato, huh?
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https://communities.intel.com/thread/44074
 

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Gee who would of thought..

So anyway, don't use rapid storage.. It would be automatically in if it was so incredible for normal users and didn't cause conflict..

when samsung sells their hard drives, do they then ask you to download something to make them run faster?
 

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Gee who would of thought..

So anyway, don't use rapid storage.. It would be automatically in if it was so incredible for normal users and didn't cause conflict..

when samsung sells their hard drives, do they then ask you to download something to make them run faster?
They have Samsung Magician which manages the drive, tells you how many bytes were written on the drive in its life, and to set it for performance, balanced, or power saver mode. I have a Samsung SSD and the Magician is more of a Health monitoring program more than anything.
 

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Yes I have samsung magician but it doesn't somehow try to make your drive faster or else you should just have bought a more efficient drive.. Which for me should have been the 840 Pro.. But now they got these 850's out.. But I guess I don't need 1 more second faster..
Anyway rapid is a joke and you shouldn't need external software if it's good internally.. Is Intel going to come out with software that makes it's cpu's read faster too?? And I don't mean over clocking..
 

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    Samsung 840 Evo

    supercache2 m2. mini card.
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