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Intel could give Windows 8 break it has been waiting for

What will it take to help give stagnating PC sales a bit of a boost? Intel hopes that Windows 8-powered notebooks with a $200 to $300 price tag might do the trick.

I think that it's fair to say that Windows 8 hasn't been the rip-roaring success that Microsoft hoped it would be. All data seems to suggest that it hasn't jump-started the stalling PC industry. But that could all change thanks to Intel.

The chip giant is planning to work with hardware makers and Microsoft to bring to market cheap, touch-enabled Windows 8 notebooks powered by the companies upcoming Bay Trail Atom silicon.

CEO Paul Otellini hopes that "touch-enabled Intel based notebooks that are ultrathin and light using non-core processors" could come to market "as low as $200 probably."

And it's not just the cheap end of the market that Intel is interested in. Otellini also sees devices that offer "really good performance" that are going to be "hitting kind of $300 price points."

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I seem to be the doom sayer in a load of these new posts - but really THESE days if I need a TOUCH device I'd use a tablet / smart phone.

If I need a Laptop (however cheap it is) it's because I NEED a computer with a Mouse / Keyboard. For a lot of "Office" type apps or "Photoshop" type stuff a Touch screen is largely a total irrelevance.

Sorry to be a bit negative - but that's my take on a lot of this stuff. Flagging PC sales aren't (as other have posted frequently) due to the popularity (or otherwise) of Windows 8 or any other OS.

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I'll believe this when I see it, a $200 laptop? Seems they'd be made too poorly with very cheap components. Still would rather spend the extra $ and buy an iPad at least. Seems they're grasping at straws a bit.
 

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See, my question has been that why are prices so bloody high to begin with? Windows RT tablets started at 500 dollars. FIVE HUNDRED! That is a laptop PC with some decent specs right there without touch. They should had started at 2-300 hundred at the least. Then there are the touch laptops and tablet PCs, good grief, 700 dollars for a tablet PC with an Atom processor? Prices aren't that attractive to say the least. If one wants to point blame at Windows 8 PC shipments, I'd also suggest the prices. By far too high.

ARM tablets be at 2-300 dollars.

Atom PCs at 3-400 dollars.

i-series based laptop PCs at 4-500 dollars.

Add touch for about 100-150 more on the laptops and ultrabooks.

Make touchscreens less bloody expensive as well, 600+ for a 27 inch touchscreen is murderous. :shock:
 

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I'll believe this when I see it, a $200 laptop? Seems they'd be made too poorly with very cheap components. Still would rather spend the extra $ and buy an iPad at least. Seems they're grasping at straws a bit.
Why would you buy an ipad when you could buy a far superior Windows 8 or RT tablet at that cost?
 

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I'll believe this when I see it, a $200 laptop? Seems they'd be made too poorly with very cheap components. Still would rather spend the extra $ and buy an iPad at least. Seems they're grasping at straws a bit.
Why would you buy an ipad when you could buy a far superior Windows 8 or RT tablet at that cost?

Far superior? Matter of opinion. At this point in time with both the devices in their current states - the choice for me is clear, I wouldn't even think twice.
 

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I'll believe this when I see it, a $200 laptop? Seems they'd be made too poorly with very cheap components. Still would rather spend the extra $ and buy an iPad at least. Seems they're grasping at straws a bit.
Why would you buy an ipad when you could buy a far superior Windows 8 or RT tablet at that cost?

Far superior? Matter of opinion. At this point in time with both the devices in their current states - the choice for me is clear, I wouldn't even think twice.
The choice is clear to me as well, I wouldn't pay up 500 dollars for basically a toy device that has the same feature set as an ipod touch. It's all play and no ability otherwise.
 

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Why would you buy an ipad when you could buy a far superior Windows 8 or RT tablet at that cost?

Far superior? Matter of opinion. At this point in time with both the devices in their current states - the choice for me is clear, I wouldn't even think twice.
The choice is clear to me as well, I wouldn't pay up 500 dollars for basically a toy device that has the same feature set as an ipod touch. It's all play and no ability otherwise.

Well, I guess that's where we differ. Notice I didn't belittle the MS tablet, but if you think calling it an overpriced "toy" is supposed to somehow insult my personal preference - then whatever makes you feel better, go with it.

$500 is nothing to me really, I've spent more than that on worse. And it's a tablet, to me that means "play". If I want to work I have desktops and ultrabooks that are much more comfortable and pleasurable to use.
 

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Far superior? Matter of opinion. At this point in time with both the devices in their current states - the choice for me is clear, I wouldn't even think twice.
The choice is clear to me as well, I wouldn't pay up 500 dollars for basically a toy device that has the same feature set as an ipod touch. It's all play and no ability otherwise.

Well, I guess that's where we differ. Notice I didn't belittle the MS tablet, but if you think calling it an overpriced "toy" is supposed to somehow insult my personal preference - then whatever makes you feel better, go with it.

$500 is nothing to me really, I've spent more than that on worse. And it's a tablet, to me that means "play". If I want to work I have desktops and ultrabooks that are much more comfortable and pleasurable to use.

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That's fine for you.

I don't starve but I would certainly think twice (or even seven times) before spending 500 USD on something I didn't really want.

We come from a reasonably wealthy part of the world too -- but in loads of places 500 USD would be regarded as a small fortune - and it really doesn't matter how much (or little) money you have -- it should be treated like any other valuable resource -- not to be wasted and to be used sensibly.

I've also bought stuff I've regretted too -- I'm sure we all have but that doesn't mean we all go out and buy stuff willy nilly without at least researching a bit as to whether we really WANT the device.

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Cokie is not consistent. You will get used to him.

He was convinced everyone would be gagging to go 500 bucks for RT tablet.

Now he is saying something else.
 

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The choice is clear to me as well, I wouldn't pay up 500 dollars for basically a toy device that has the same feature set as an ipod touch. It's all play and no ability otherwise.

Well, I guess that's where we differ. Notice I didn't belittle the MS tablet, but if you think calling it an overpriced "toy" is supposed to somehow insult my personal preference - then whatever makes you feel better, go with it.

$500 is nothing to me really, I've spent more than that on worse. And it's a tablet, to me that means "play". If I want to work I have desktops and ultrabooks that are much more comfortable and pleasurable to use.

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That's fine for you.

I don't starve but I would certainly think twice (or even seven times) before spending 500 USD on something I didn't really want.

We come from a reasonably wealthy part of the world too -- but in loads of places 500 USD would be regarded as a small fortune - and it really doesn't matter how much (or little) money you have -- it should be treated like any other valuable resource -- not to be wasted and to be used sensibly.

I've also bought stuff I've regretted too -- I'm sure we all have but that doesn't mean we all go out and buy stuff willy nilly without at least researching a bit as to whether we really WANT the device.

Cheers
jimbo

Quite frankly, this isn't even what the thread is about. And it was derailed because of an Apple product being mentioned on a MS forum (oh noes). It added a bit of amusement to the dull day I'm having at work, but Oh Well.

And I don't buy things willy nilly either, although quite frankly again - that's none of anyone's business. People are awful assuming of others when they know nothing about them.

Also notice, to actually quote myself - "Still would rather spend the extra $ and buy an iPad at least." Meaning that I wouldn't buy some cheap assed laptop, yet opt for some type of tablet instead at the cost of a bit more. Doesn't HAVE to be an iPad. But then again, reading comprehension obviously isn't everyone's strong point.
 

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What will it take to help give stagnating PC sales a bit of a boost?

Acceptance. This is the new normal.
 

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Cokie is not consistent. You will get used to him.

He was convinced everyone would be gagging to go 500 bucks for RT tablet.

Now he is saying something else.
Then post the citation of me saying that Windows RT is something I was convinced that would sell en masse.

All I posted was my personal opinion about the ipad compared to equivalent Windows 8 or RT tablets. All YOU seem to be doing is putting words in my mouth as per usual...
 

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And I don't buy things willy nilly either, although quite frankly again - that's none of anyone's business. People are awful assuming of others when they know nothing about them.

Dude it's your money you can spend it on what you want. I wouldn't even entertain the thought of explaining my spending habits to anyone or any forum.

Enjoy whatever product you buy.

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Cheap tablets/laptops running the OS might help.

As a side note, I was messing around the OS on my laptop last night and was a bit impressed with some of the improved inner workings like Task Manager and Windows Explorer.

I'm sure some of you know this already, this is more for those that haven't looked at the OS outside of Metro. It really is an efficient OS, so running on "cheap" hardware shouldn't be an issue at all.
 

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We come from a reasonably wealthy part of the world too -- but in loads of places 500 USD would be regarded as a small fortune - and it really doesn't matter how much (or little) money you have -- it should be treated like any other valuable resource -- not to be wasted and to be used sensibly.
This is a really good thought. Jimbo I applaud you for that. I wish people would keep that in mind regarding all resources.

And I don't buy things willy nilly either, although quite frankly again - that's none of anyone's business. People are awful assuming of others when they know nothing about them.

And this is the kind of attitude that I really hate. I tell you a story.

The other day I was waiting in the car for the wife to pick something up at the cleaners. It was about 70 degrees, I had the window rolled down and felt comfortable.

A car pulls up next to me and a guy gets out leaving the engine running. I asked him whether he could not stop the engine. He pointed to a teenager sitting in the car. I said to him that it is neither hot nor cold and the young man would survive without the engine running and polluting the universe. He said, I pay for the gas and it is nobodies business how he burns it.

Unfortunately I find this attitude very often. I wish the gas prices would rise to $10/gallon. Maybe then people would learn.
 

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And this is the kind of attitude that I really hate. I tell you a story.

The other day I was waiting in the car for the wife to pick something up at the cleaners. It was about 70 degrees, I had the window rolled down and felt comfortable.

A car pulls up next to me and a guy gets out leaving the engine running. I asked him whether he could not stop the engine. He pointed to a teenager sitting in the car. I said to him that it is neither hot nor cold and the young man would survive without the engine running and polluting the universe. He said, I pay for the gas and it is nobodies business how he burns it.

Unfortunately I find this attitude very often. I wish the gas prices would rise to $10/gallon. Maybe then people would learn.

It's probably not fair to judge the guy without knowing more about the situation. You never know, he may have real trouble getting the car started and leaving it on means he's not stuck or embarrassed trying to get it going again, and probably polluting more while trying to get it started. He may have also misconstrued your comment to mean something about safety and pointing to the teenager indicated that he's not leaving the car unattended. Or thirdly, maybe the teenager did need the car running for the air conditioner, even though it may have been mild.
 

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Ray, nah, none of that. That was a brand new car. The temps were excellent, I sat in our car myself with the window rolled down. It was 7PM and 70F. The guy just did not care about the pollution.

I do that on a regular basis walking up to cars that are running forever with someone sitting in it waiting for the wife who is e.g. shopping in the supermarket. People always look at me as if I came from Mars. They have absolutely no appreciation of the problem.

Once in front of my own house a neighbor left the car running for a whole hour babbling with another neighbor until I went out and asked her to stop the car.

This is Florida in the winter where temps are very moderate. I would understand if it were in the summer with 90F, but not when the temps are around 70F. It is just the wrong attitude.

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stops the engine automatically when I come to a halt, e.g. at a traffic light, and resumes when I release the brake or step on the gas. That is the kind of feature which should be put into all cars.
 
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OK, that's different. Personally, I never leave my car running when not necessary, it just wastes fuel.
 

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