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Installed 8.1 on 2015 Win 10 laptop

Teeotsa

Member
If you make online purchases you might consider upping your security a little and staying on top of your updates.
No thanks, im fine. As i said above, i don't really care about my security
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Professional x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i5 3470
    Motherboard
    ASRock B75 Pro3-M
    Memory
    HyperX Fury DDR3 2x4GB 1866MHz + 2x2GB Samsung Sticks
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GTX 560 TI
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Kingston A400 240GB
    1TB SEAGATE HDDs
    Internet Speed
    10 Mb/s | 2Mb/s
    Browser
    Google Chrome 96, Internet Explorer 11, Firefox 80
    Antivirus
    No third-party Antivirus software is installed on my system.
    Other Info
    I don't update my installation of Windows. I find it unnecessary.
    Also, i've disabled Windows Defender and Windows Firewall because i don't need them!😂

SCANNERMAN

Professional amateur
I suppose that resonates with the voice of a new generation. Snowden was right.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1, Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows 10, Linux Mint and more
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD 3800X, Intel 6900K
    Motherboard
    X99 E-WS USB 3.1, CROSSHAIR HERO VIII
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR, 32 GB TEAM GROUP T FORCE
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070, SAPPHIRE RX 590 NITRO+
    Sound Card
    ONBOARD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SAMSUNG 32"
    Screen Resolution
    4K
    Hard Drives
    :::GRINS::: SERIOUSLY?
    PSU
    CORSAIR 1000 W PLATINUM
    Case
    THERMAL TAKE / AZZA
    Cooling
    NOCTUA / CM
    Keyboard
    LOGITECH PRODIGY
    Mouse
    LOGITECH
    Internet Speed
    1 GBs
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY
    Other Info
    PC builder. Own a dozen PCs / built hundreds. All of us have a lot to learn. Some of us stand to learn more than others and those who think they know the most generally know the least. I'm here to learn and pass on what little I know.

TechnoMage

Active Member
Power User
I'm a retired PC tech, and I can't tell you how many times I've been called out to repair a PC that was disabled by a MS Update. So for my own PC's MS Updates remain OFF. And I've never had any reason to regret it.
Today, when I install Windows 8.1, I run two little programs, one totally disables updates, and the other one is "Never 10".

Then, I disable all the Windows Services that I don't need or want. There's more, but that's where I start anyway. And, I have a really great running little HP SFF PC.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win-8.1/Pro/64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer X-1200
    CPU
    AMD 2 Core
    Motherboard
    Acer
    Memory
    Crucial, 4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDEA GeForce 9200
    Sound Card
    On Board
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Acer
    Hard Drives
    Sandisk, SSD 500GB
    PSU
    Acer
    Case
    SFF Slimline
    Keyboard
    emachines 101 key
    Mouse
    Logitech Wireless
    Internet Speed
    5 Meg
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Using Classic Shell on Win-8.1 /pro/64

SCANNERMAN

Professional amateur
I concur. I still do the updates but I do them at my leisure. First, before I do the updates that I have let stack (Auto updates are always a big mistake) I clean up my drive, make certain my drivers are all updated, run a thorough virus scan, make a system restore point, reboot and begin the updates. I am lazy so I use third party software to block programs I never use. I also use an independant firewall. I do this every month or so. It is said that Win 10 uses a very good VS. I've heard this about other Windows operating systems in the past. I'm not convinced. There are better independant data bases that are more dedicated to keeping their definitions up to date. About twice a year I run a fresh system image because file history only goes so far. Backup is not optional. I doubt that I shall ever run Win 10 on my Work Station and I have yet to see any reason anyone should be using Win 11. I made the grevious error of putting Win 11 on my laptop and it won't let me roll back. Fortunately, these days, I rarely use my laptop. My Work Station also sports Windows 7 Ultimate so even if all these measures fail my EMS is set to resurrect Windows 8.1 from that o/s. Moral of the story: Back up your backups.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1, Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows 10, Linux Mint and more
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD 3800X, Intel 6900K
    Motherboard
    X99 E-WS USB 3.1, CROSSHAIR HERO VIII
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR, 32 GB TEAM GROUP T FORCE
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070, SAPPHIRE RX 590 NITRO+
    Sound Card
    ONBOARD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SAMSUNG 32"
    Screen Resolution
    4K
    Hard Drives
    :::GRINS::: SERIOUSLY?
    PSU
    CORSAIR 1000 W PLATINUM
    Case
    THERMAL TAKE / AZZA
    Cooling
    NOCTUA / CM
    Keyboard
    LOGITECH PRODIGY
    Mouse
    LOGITECH
    Internet Speed
    1 GBs
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY
    Other Info
    PC builder. Own a dozen PCs / built hundreds. All of us have a lot to learn. Some of us stand to learn more than others and those who think they know the most generally know the least. I'm here to learn and pass on what little I know.

TechnoMage

Active Member
Power User
I can't even remember, how many service calls I've taken over the years, where a customer performed a MS Update on their PC, and it never booted up again!!!!
So after hours of repairs, I would turn OFF MS Updates and never have a problem again.

So when I set up any version of Windows, I always shut off MS Updates. Works for me, and always has.

Cheers Mates, and kudos to the guy who said, "if it works, don't mess with it".
TechnoMage :cool:
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win-8.1/Pro/64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer X-1200
    CPU
    AMD 2 Core
    Motherboard
    Acer
    Memory
    Crucial, 4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDEA GeForce 9200
    Sound Card
    On Board
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Acer
    Hard Drives
    Sandisk, SSD 500GB
    PSU
    Acer
    Case
    SFF Slimline
    Keyboard
    emachines 101 key
    Mouse
    Logitech Wireless
    Internet Speed
    5 Meg
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Using Classic Shell on Win-8.1 /pro/64

SCANNERMAN

Professional amateur
Sadly, this is very telling. It really makes one wonder how essential updates really are. Given the time it takes to just reinstall the o/s and recover with a backup it probably takes less time and energy than having to fight with a recent update that won't even let your system recovery function. This happened to me recently and Microsoft was no help at all. (I hadn't called them in seven years so I thought I would see if they had any solutions to the problem they generated on my PC.) In the end I was forced to hack my o/s to make it work. I'll probably just do a migration as I'm considering putting my NVMe into RAID 0 just for kicks. I couldn't agree with you more on your bottom line: Backup! Backup! Backup!
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1, Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows 10, Linux Mint and more
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD 3800X, Intel 6900K
    Motherboard
    X99 E-WS USB 3.1, CROSSHAIR HERO VIII
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR, 32 GB TEAM GROUP T FORCE
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070, SAPPHIRE RX 590 NITRO+
    Sound Card
    ONBOARD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SAMSUNG 32"
    Screen Resolution
    4K
    Hard Drives
    :::GRINS::: SERIOUSLY?
    PSU
    CORSAIR 1000 W PLATINUM
    Case
    THERMAL TAKE / AZZA
    Cooling
    NOCTUA / CM
    Keyboard
    LOGITECH PRODIGY
    Mouse
    LOGITECH
    Internet Speed
    1 GBs
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY
    Other Info
    PC builder. Own a dozen PCs / built hundreds. All of us have a lot to learn. Some of us stand to learn more than others and those who think they know the most generally know the least. I'm here to learn and pass on what little I know.

Teeotsa

Member

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Professional x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i5 3470
    Motherboard
    ASRock B75 Pro3-M
    Memory
    HyperX Fury DDR3 2x4GB 1866MHz + 2x2GB Samsung Sticks
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GTX 560 TI
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Kingston A400 240GB
    1TB SEAGATE HDDs
    Internet Speed
    10 Mb/s | 2Mb/s
    Browser
    Google Chrome 96, Internet Explorer 11, Firefox 80
    Antivirus
    No third-party Antivirus software is installed on my system.
    Other Info
    I don't update my installation of Windows. I find it unnecessary.
    Also, i've disabled Windows Defender and Windows Firewall because i don't need them!😂

TechnoMage

Active Member
Power User
Back in the day, I could set up a new computer in the time it took me to enjoy a cup of coffee.
But, to properly set up a new PC today, and disable all the security holes, and tweak and tune it to patch the Safe Defaults, takes several hours, even though I use a bundle of batch files and scripts to speed up the process.
I'm so glad that I'm finally retired, and I'm not called on to set up new PC's anymore.
Recently one old friend/customer called me to help him with a new PC that came with Windows 11 installed. He had started the install himself, contrary to my long-standing instructions, and he got confused and just shut the PC off. Arggg!
I saw that he had created a bucket of worms for himself, and I was not inclined to get involved.
So I referred him to a PC Repair shop in town, that I've heard good things about.
I'm Old School, and I refuse to touch any PC with Windows 11 on it. Windows 10 was bad enough.

After evaluating Windows 10 here for myself, I decided that is was just too much of a hassle for an OS to be run on a Home Computer. I'll be running Windows 8.1/Pro from now till.........
(with Classic Shell installed, and MS Updates turned OFF)

Y'all have a great day now, Y'hear?
Happy Memorial Day
TM :cool:
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win-8.1/Pro/64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer X-1200
    CPU
    AMD 2 Core
    Motherboard
    Acer
    Memory
    Crucial, 4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDEA GeForce 9200
    Sound Card
    On Board
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Acer
    Hard Drives
    Sandisk, SSD 500GB
    PSU
    Acer
    Case
    SFF Slimline
    Keyboard
    emachines 101 key
    Mouse
    Logitech Wireless
    Internet Speed
    5 Meg
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Using Classic Shell on Win-8.1 /pro/64

SCANNERMAN

Professional amateur
That's amazing but I probably really shouldn't be amazed.
Ironically, retirement has put me in the unofficial business of fixing PC's. I never had time when I was so dedicated to chasing that not-so-mighty dollar. Now I'm a father of five and a grandfather of many. The young ones actually call upon me for help and people ask me to fix their PC's constantly.
We are certainly similar in our regard for Win11. I'm not sure I could bring myself to work on any PC with Win11 except my own laptop and I have a good mind to factory reset that one back to Win10.
I refuse to put Win10 on my work station. I can't risk it messing up all my tools. I have it on my gaming rig because that platform only works with Win10 and Linux. So that one has both. I also run the Classic Shell but I haven't turned my updates off yet.

I'm also on the Windows 10 Forums and I suppose some there are not impressed with many of my "unorthodox" views. I'm too old to care and I know there's more than one way to skin a lizard. We are hardly alone in our regard for Win11. I tend to sympathize with Jody here:

 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1, Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows 10, Linux Mint and more
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD 3800X, Intel 6900K
    Motherboard
    X99 E-WS USB 3.1, CROSSHAIR HERO VIII
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR, 32 GB TEAM GROUP T FORCE
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070, SAPPHIRE RX 590 NITRO+
    Sound Card
    ONBOARD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SAMSUNG 32"
    Screen Resolution
    4K
    Hard Drives
    :::GRINS::: SERIOUSLY?
    PSU
    CORSAIR 1000 W PLATINUM
    Case
    THERMAL TAKE / AZZA
    Cooling
    NOCTUA / CM
    Keyboard
    LOGITECH PRODIGY
    Mouse
    LOGITECH
    Internet Speed
    1 GBs
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY
    Other Info
    PC builder. Own a dozen PCs / built hundreds. All of us have a lot to learn. Some of us stand to learn more than others and those who think they know the most generally know the least. I'm here to learn and pass on what little I know.

TechnoMage

Active Member
Power User
A friend sent me a link to a Microsoft download site! He may as well of sent me a copy of DOS 2.0.
Like most of the world, I'm forced to run a MS OS on my IBM Compatible Personal Computer.
Sorry, I don't want anything to do with the Microsoft company.

I've run other computers, that ran on Cobol, Fortran, Fortran II, and even Commodore Basic.
But for personal computing, MS DOS and then MS Windows has become the default OS for everyday use. I'd be running DOS today, if I could use it to get on the internet and check my email.
I've put up with the changes, from Windows 95, to 98, to ME, to XP, Vista, 7, 8.0, 8.1, and finally 10. STOP! I'm not playing anymore.
I'm here on the Win 8.1 forum because this is the end of the road for me. I'm tired of all the updates, upgrades and problems that they all entail.
There are three great programs that I've run on all my 8.1 PC's. (12)
First is the Classic Shell, to give me more control over the looks and actions of the OS.
Then I run a little script that totally disables MS Updates, and another program from GRC.com, called "NEVER 10". Love it!
OH, and I also run the little program from Steve Gibson, called the "Discombobulator". (don't ask!)

I'm finally on the downhill slope....no more punching a time clock, or taking service calls all day, or traveling up to 1500 miles a week, in every kind of foul weather imaginable, fixing more peoples screw ups, than machine failures.

I love to go out to eat, see an occasional movie, and spend time messing with my own PC's, and watch a lot of my favorite TV shows. Now watching "The X Files". lol

Cheers Mate!
TM :cool:
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win-8.1/Pro/64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer X-1200
    CPU
    AMD 2 Core
    Motherboard
    Acer
    Memory
    Crucial, 4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDEA GeForce 9200
    Sound Card
    On Board
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Acer
    Hard Drives
    Sandisk, SSD 500GB
    PSU
    Acer
    Case
    SFF Slimline
    Keyboard
    emachines 101 key
    Mouse
    Logitech Wireless
    Internet Speed
    5 Meg
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Using Classic Shell on Win-8.1 /pro/64

SCANNERMAN

Professional amateur
The last Win 10 quality roll up nearly did my system in. I had fun scrambling to rescue it and now I'll likely have to make a drive image of the thing at some point just to make sure it doesn't happen again. I'm planning on running that o/s on RAID 0 via NVMe at some point anyway, but I'm in no rush. Just glad my more serious rig doesn't have Win 10 or later on it. The gaming rig can wait til winter as I'm not really a hard core gamer anyway. Just built it for the bucket list after building so many gaming rigs for other people. It'll likely be a winter project. Retirement is great if you know how to keep busy. I have three young daughters despite my old age so that's easy enough for me. 😇
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1, Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows 10, Linux Mint and more
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD 3800X, Intel 6900K
    Motherboard
    X99 E-WS USB 3.1, CROSSHAIR HERO VIII
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR, 32 GB TEAM GROUP T FORCE
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070, SAPPHIRE RX 590 NITRO+
    Sound Card
    ONBOARD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SAMSUNG 32"
    Screen Resolution
    4K
    Hard Drives
    :::GRINS::: SERIOUSLY?
    PSU
    CORSAIR 1000 W PLATINUM
    Case
    THERMAL TAKE / AZZA
    Cooling
    NOCTUA / CM
    Keyboard
    LOGITECH PRODIGY
    Mouse
    LOGITECH
    Internet Speed
    1 GBs
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY
    Other Info
    PC builder. Own a dozen PCs / built hundreds. All of us have a lot to learn. Some of us stand to learn more than others and those who think they know the most generally know the least. I'm here to learn and pass on what little I know.

SCANNERMAN

Professional amateur
The last Win 10 quality roll up nearly did my system in. I had fun scrambling to rescue it and now I'll likely have to make a drive image of the thing at some point just to make sure it doesn't happen again. I'm planning on running that o/s on RAID 0 via NVMe at some point anyway, but I'm in no rush. Just glad my more serious rig doesn't have Win 10 or later on it. The gaming rig can wait til winter as I'm not really a hard core gamer anyway. Just built it for the bucket list after building so many gaming rigs for other people. It'll likely be a winter project. Retirement is great if you know how to keep busy. I have three young daughters despite my old age so that's easy enough for me. 😇

As an after thought I typed this on Win 7 U . The stability and smoothness of this o/s is just amazing now that Microsoft has stopped messing with it. Definitely keeping it. I wish the newer operating systems worked so well.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1, Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows 10, Linux Mint and more
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD 3800X, Intel 6900K
    Motherboard
    X99 E-WS USB 3.1, CROSSHAIR HERO VIII
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR, 32 GB TEAM GROUP T FORCE
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070, SAPPHIRE RX 590 NITRO+
    Sound Card
    ONBOARD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SAMSUNG 32"
    Screen Resolution
    4K
    Hard Drives
    :::GRINS::: SERIOUSLY?
    PSU
    CORSAIR 1000 W PLATINUM
    Case
    THERMAL TAKE / AZZA
    Cooling
    NOCTUA / CM
    Keyboard
    LOGITECH PRODIGY
    Mouse
    LOGITECH
    Internet Speed
    1 GBs
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY
    Other Info
    PC builder. Own a dozen PCs / built hundreds. All of us have a lot to learn. Some of us stand to learn more than others and those who think they know the most generally know the least. I'm here to learn and pass on what little I know.

TechnoMage

Active Member
Power User
Well, kind of like an old car, when "7" breaks down, it's hard to find repair parts, etc.
Sort of like working on a '49 Studebaker. Runs great, till it doesn't.
Do to malfunctions at the junction, I had to reinstall my Win-7 several time, and every time I'd have to dig out several driver disks to get everything working again the way it was supposed to. What a PITA!

Windows 7 comes with almost NO drivers, and what little it has are just the most generic. It would give me video, of the most basic form, but no Audio and no LAN.
Whereas, I have found out, Windows 8.1 comes with almost the same driver pact as Win-10.
When I install Win 8.1, which I've done many times now, it always installs video, sound and LAN, and usually picks up my Epson printers too. What's not to like? *

And Win 8.1 is somewhat of a trickster too! During the initial install / setup, it may not come up with a driver for some particular piece of hardware, like the correct video driver. But when I boot up the PC a day or two later, VOILA, it has found and installed the correct driver.

On a recent install, Win 8.1 did that to me, with the Sound Driver. On install, I had no sound and I had to resort to an external USB Sound device. A few days later, WOW, I had sound out of the on-board sound port. I only found out about that, when the little message came up in the system tray, that Windows was loading the sound drivers. Surprise!!!
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Still in Hobby Mode and still just having fun!
TM
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win-8.1/Pro/64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer X-1200
    CPU
    AMD 2 Core
    Motherboard
    Acer
    Memory
    Crucial, 4GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDEA GeForce 9200
    Sound Card
    On Board
    Monitor(s) Displays
    24" Acer
    Hard Drives
    Sandisk, SSD 500GB
    PSU
    Acer
    Case
    SFF Slimline
    Keyboard
    emachines 101 key
    Mouse
    Logitech Wireless
    Internet Speed
    5 Meg
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender
    Other Info
    Using Classic Shell on Win-8.1 /pro/64

SCANNERMAN

Professional amateur
Now if only the newer operating systems had so many all's well that ends well stories. :) As for Win 7 I have so many backups and backups of my backups I'm really not that worried about losing drivers. But even in the event that a driver is lost there are several ways of still retrieving them. I have a box full of mini and micro discs full of those old drivers as well, but as one who restores old PCs on a regular basis, I can safely say that there are ways of getting most of them online.

 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1, Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows 10, Linux Mint and more
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD 3800X, Intel 6900K
    Motherboard
    X99 E-WS USB 3.1, CROSSHAIR HERO VIII
    Memory
    128 GB CORSAIR DOMINATOR, 32 GB TEAM GROUP T FORCE
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA 1070, SAPPHIRE RX 590 NITRO+
    Sound Card
    ONBOARD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    SAMSUNG 32"
    Screen Resolution
    4K
    Hard Drives
    :::GRINS::: SERIOUSLY?
    PSU
    CORSAIR 1000 W PLATINUM
    Case
    THERMAL TAKE / AZZA
    Cooling
    NOCTUA / CM
    Keyboard
    LOGITECH PRODIGY
    Mouse
    LOGITECH
    Internet Speed
    1 GBs
    Browser
    FIREFOX
    Antivirus
    KASPERSKY
    Other Info
    PC builder. Own a dozen PCs / built hundreds. All of us have a lot to learn. Some of us stand to learn more than others and those who think they know the most generally know the least. I'm here to learn and pass on what little I know.
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