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I don't understand Windows 8 at all...


kona0197

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#1
OK, I'm coming from Windows 7. I don't understand Windows 8. The live tiles are confusing. How are you supposed to go about setting up the Metro UI so it works like a start menu? If I install Start 8 from Stardock how do I get rid of the Metro UI? And why is it that Windows 7 is quick on my system but 8 is painfully slow? I mean REALLY slow?
 

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#2
You don't set up the Start screen to look like a Start menu, that's why it's a Start screen. What is it that is confusing about the Live tiles? They seem pretty straightforward to me.

Never used Start 8 but if on Win 8.1 you can configure Windows to boot to desktop and never see Start screen.

Most agree that Win 8 has slightly better performance than 7, possibly something is wrong with your installation.
 

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#3
I find the live tiles to be useless. I don't need them at all, and I don't need the info they present. The only one I would use is the weather app. I spend over 95 percent of my time on the desktop, and I launch applications from shortcuts from there. I only use the Metro UI when I need to find an app not pinned to the desktop, and that is rare. And everything takes forever to work anyhow, the system slows to a crawl, even on a fresh new install of 8.1.
 

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I find the live tiles to be useless. I don't need them at all, and I don't need the info they present. The only one I would use is the weather app. I spend over 95 percent of my time on the desktop, and I launch applications from shortcuts from there. I only use the Metro UI when I need to find an app not pinned to the desktop, and that is rare. And everything takes forever to work anyhow, the system slows to a crawl, even on a fresh new install of 8.1.
  1. You can turn off live tile by right click on it->Turn off live tile.
  2. You can install the freeware to get the Start Menu that looks similar to Windows 7 such as:
    Download Classic Shell and Get Your Start Button Back on Windows 8 | Freedownloads.us.com

    or:
    Start Menu Reviver
  3. On the fresh install of 8.1, Windows is still busy setting up your PC such as building Windows Search Index, Running Windows Updates in the background. After a while, things should speed up.
 

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kona0197

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#5
1. I have no need for live tiles, I want them removed completely, as well as the whole Metro UI
2. No need to install freeware, I choose to use Start 8 from Stardock as it is clearly the best one
3. That may be true, but my system is painfully slow weeks after install. Explain that. Clearly Windows 7 is better under the hood.
 

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1. I have no need for live tiles, I want them removed completely, as well as the whole Metro UI
2. No need to install freeware, I choose to use Start 8 from Stardock as it is clearly the best one
3. That may be true, but my system is painfully slow weeks after install. Explain that. Clearly Windows 7 is better under the hood.
  1. You can't
  2. Since you've already paid for it then it's OK.
  3. Sorry, but something is wrong with your setup. Windows 8.1 is running much faster than Windows 7.
    Double check if all Device drivers are up to date and also have the latest BIOS firmware.
 

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#7
Nothing is wrong with my setup. Windows 8 just does not like it. All firmwares have been updated, and each and every driver has been installed from the manufactures website. Everything is up to date. yet I have to wait ages before 8 will boot, it takes around 3 minutes. 7 takes 45 seconds or a minute. 8 easily gets overwhelmed. For example, if I ask 8 to open a Word file and the ask 8 to open iTunes the system damn near has a BSOD and will not respond to any input for a few minutes. 7 has NO issues like this. Windows update on 8 takes hours to update files, even small ones. Apps lag when trying to open them, for example the weather app takes almost a full minute to open. Switching from Metro to the desktop takes 30 seconds or more.

Clearly Windows 7 is the fastest of the two.

Funny thing is that Windows 10 Preview works faster than 7 and 8 or my system.
 

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Nothing is wrong with my setup.
Hmmm. If nothing is wrong with your setup then uninstall Win 8 and go back to 7, since noone can help you.

And windows 10 being faster than 7... makes sense since it's mostly based on 8.1 (which uses less memory, disk space and has faster boot than 7). Maybe the difference is you made a clean install, not an upgrade ?
http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/2299-clean-install-windows-8-a.html
http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/13375-clean-install-windows-8-upgrade.html
 

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kona0197

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#10
I tested both the hard drive and memory, no issues there. Would my hard drive being an older SATA hard drive and my RAM being DDR2 be the issues that is making Windows 8 run slow?

Yes, I made a clean install of 8, did all of the updates, then installed the update from the app store for 8.1.
 

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No offend to you but looking at your system specs, you have a PC at least 5 year old if not more and maybe the drivers are no longer available to run Windows 8 and that could cause the problem.
 

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#12
Yeah, maybe. I might need to go to Vista to get some decent speed with this system.
 

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#13
Having used Windows 7 for many years, I got a new computer with WIndows 8.1.
I was confused at first but got my head round it easily within a week or so - easy.
Bye the way I am 7o years old - if I can do it so can you.
 

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Nothing is wrong with my setup. Windows 8 just does not like it. All firmwares have been updated, and each and every driver has been installed from the manufactures website. Everything is up to date. yet I have to wait ages before 8 will boot, it takes around 3 minutes. 7 takes 45 seconds or a minute. 8 easily gets overwhelmed. For example, if I ask 8 to open a Word file and the ask 8 to open iTunes the system damn near has a BSOD and will not respond to any input for a few minutes. 7 has NO issues like this. Windows update on 8 takes hours to update files, even small ones. Apps lag when trying to open them, for example the weather app takes almost a full minute to open. Switching from Metro to the desktop takes 30 seconds or more.

Clearly Windows 7 is the fastest of the two.

Funny thing is that Windows 10 Preview works faster than 7 and 8 or my system.
Hi there

I don't understand your logic here -- on the one hand you say that you don't understand Windows 8 at all but on the other hand you according to your post have obviously tried Windows 10.

Now with Windows 8.1 set to boot to desktop and Windows 10 there's minimal difference - even the drivers are the same (or at least any that might be in your machine).

The lack of a start menu in Windows 8.1 could be confusing but it's simple to just search for what you want with the charms bar and then pin to desktop or taskbar. You never have to see the tiles.

On W10 it's slightly easier because you have a start menu (if you can actually read the small text !!!).

Now as to why W8.1 boots slower on your machine I have ZERO idea - if it ran W7 it certainly will run Windows 8.1. Did you try a clean install. In any case if you are thinking of migrating away from W7 I'd suggest starying with W10 instead of going through TWO upgrades.

Cheers
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#15
Having used Windows 7 for many years, I got a new computer with WIndows 8.1.
I was confused at first but got my head round it easily within a week or so - easy.
Bye the way I am 7o years old - if I can do it so can you.
 

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#16
Once you get used to it, you will think it is the best thing since sliced bread. :)
 

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#17
You can disable All hot corners---

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Once you get used to it, you will think it is the best thing since sliced bread. :)
Hi there.

Not the best comparison - Sliced Bread is an ABOMINATION -- and as for that unspeakable stuff that is sold in supermarkets with something that tastes Worse than the wrapping paper and that rigorous testing in a Lab might show that it contains trace elements of Flour and Yeast -- well 'nuf said.

Apart from that W8.1 certainly does the job and W10 looks as if it could be better too. For those who don't want to use the menu you can remove almost everything off it and you can also use custom toolbars as before (from W7 onwards).

I'm waiting for the next update to see how it fares with Touch devices -- they've done most of their homework with the desktop side of things - now let's see how it works on Touch and Mobile.

Cheers
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No comment. :zip:
 

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#20
David looks like you are using Classic Shell. Too confusing. Start 8 is a much better program.

For those of you that say that if my setup can run 7 it can run 8, that's not true.

It's not a matter of getting used to 8. It's the fact that 8 runs so slow I can't get any work done.
 

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