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Hyper-V - How to Use in Windows 8


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#61
I think a few people here don't understand the purposes of Hyper-V and VMware Workstation.
would you mind to elaborate ?
 

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#62
I think a few people here don't understand the purposes of Hyper-V and VMware Workstation.

Thank you for explaining their purposes so clearly.

However, my opinion is that many programs are most useful for reasons OTHER than their intended purpose. Thinking "outside the box" can lead to innovation and clever workarounds. Though I do agree that software which are used for their intended purpose, work best for that specific purpose.

Specifically, I'm running an old game which requires sound and pixel shading - if there's something purpose built for that, I'd gladly use it instead of these virtualisation programs.

I did try one patch-type program, can't remember what it was now, but it was unsuccessful for my system/game combination. I also tried installing the program with compatibility to xp, which also failed. If virtualisation did not work, the next step would have been to attempt dual booting my win 8 machine with XP, though I likely would not have been able to find all the correct drivers. So lastly, I would have had to give up on my quest.

This way, I have learned a little about virtualisation programs, limitations of old software, limitations of new OS, and who knows when else this knowledge will become useful to me.

With that in mind, if you could kindly direct me to a program purpose-built for running old games that are designed solely for single-core processor machines, I'd be grateful.


Edit: I should clarify that I am using VMware Player (free), not VMware Workstation (commercial).
 

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#63
Okay, so I'm guilty of unwarranted snarkiness, and for that I apologize.

However, my opinion is that many programs are most useful for reasons OTHER than their intended purpose. Thinking "outside the box" can lead to innovation and clever workarounds. Though I do agree that software which are used for their intended purpose, work best for that specific purpose.

With that in mind, if you could kindly direct me to a program purpose-built for running old games that are designed solely for single-core processor machines, I'd be grateful.
While I do agree with you that programs can be useful for purposes other than those for which they are intended, it's intellectually dishonest to then complain about a 'lack of functionality' with that application.

For your particular use case, VMware Player, VMware Workstation or VirtualBox would be the application of choice. It's great that Hyper-V 3.0 is free and can be used in Windows 8 Professional, but it's simply not a hypervisor designed for that purpose.

Would you mind to elaborate ?
Thank you for explaining their purposes so clearly.
Hyper-V, like VMware's ESXi hypervisor, was never intended to be a desktop virtualization solution. It still isn't. Hyper-V's primary purposes are server virtualization or workstation virtualization for terminal services (e.g. virtual desktop infrastructure). By including it on the client, Microsoft has made it possible to create and stage virtual servers on their workstations before migrating them to the data centre or to have a lab environment for QA or patch testing. It also works great for what it does, and is going to be quite the asset to those who work in an environment where they are only dealing with certain Linux servers or a Windows environment. If you need to virtualize a complete workstation on your own machine for workflow or some sort of productivity other than those I've mentioned, you're going to be sorely disappointed with Hyper-V - and this seems to be what a lot of the complaints in this and other threads about Hyper-V.

VMware Workstation, on the other hand (and as opposed to VMware ESXi) is designed not only to virtualize, but to completely replicate the desktop experience on the host machine. If you have to use your personal computer for work, but need a different environment in which to work, or if you need to evaluate an OS for deployment purposes, this is the product you want.

There's a reason why the two products have different feature sets, and saying that one is 'useless' because it doesn't provide the features of an entirely different product which has a different purpose is starting to get tiring.

(rant over)
 

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#64
I build a lab of Hyper-V servers to get hands on experiences on different Network scenario and also play with Fail over clusters. I start to use Vmware WS to build Clients ( Windows XP, Vista, 7 ) on a lab desktops so I can experiment domain stuff in relation to servers os in the hyper-v servers. But with time I realize that it can be done very well with Remote Desktop and the Client VM OS in the servers too. So I use now only 1 pc with Vware WS.

Now if someone take a network course and as space and budget limitation, Windows 8 and hyper-v is a great all in one solution.

I don't agree with the fact that Vmware WS is better for workflow, at least not in all case. Hyper-v is way more stable and have more power as it run on bare metal instead of inside the OS. When I was using more Vmware WS , I have to reboot the PC often to reset certain bug create by Vmware. ( mouse and menu behaviors on the Windows host mainly ) This is not and will not happen with hyper-v, as the childs ( VM) are running at the side of the parent ( host ) instead of in the host, so the child as no side effect on the parent . If you don't need extra that Vmware give like USB , 3d Acceleration. Hyper-V and Remote Desktop is a more stable solution. ( ESXi also, but I try to not extend the subject to much and it not include with Windows 8 )

this is a drawing of my setup of last year, I add few servers and workstation and a third ISP , All the servers are on AMD and allthe Workstation on Intel , with the exception of 1 , I need the same CPU manufacturer on the severs , so I can move the VM

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#65
Okay, so I'm guilty of unwarranted snarkiness, and for that I apologize.
Ditto.
While I do agree with you that programs can be useful for purposes other than those for which they are intended, it's intellectually dishonest to then complain about a 'lack of functionality' with that application.For your particular use case, VMware Player, VMware Workstation or VirtualBox would be the application of choice.
VMware is where I ended up - by myself. I didn't realise I was "complaining" - I thought I was troubleshooting. Being an amateur computer user (more than some, not as much as others) my experience with software is that it often needs a little tweaking, especially when a new OS comes out and I'm trying to use older software. I'm also not afraid of trying out new things that come my way. Hyper-V was included in my Win 8 upgrade, so I was curious. It resembled software I've used before (VMware player) so I began with that base-experience.I also have extensive experience with Microsoft products (started using computers when I was 6yo - I can't remember what we were using at home at that time but I do remember the "switch" to Windows 3.11) and their incompatibility to other Microsoft products. Often, Microsoft products are irritatingly incompatible with Microsoft products... so when Hyper-V didn't do what I initially wanted, I tried to 'make' it do what I wanted, and quickly failed and moved on to other virualisation programs.
Hyper-V, like VMware's ESXi hypervisor, was never intended to be a desktop virtualization solution. It still isn't. Hyper-V's primary purposes are server virtualization or workstation virtualization for terminal services (e.g. virtual desktop infrastructure). By including it on the client, Microsoft has made it possible to create and stage virtual servers on their workstations before migrating them to the data centre or to have a lab environment for QA or patch testing. It also works great for what it does, and is going to be quite the asset to those who work in an environment where they are only dealing with certain Linux servers or a Windows environment. If you need to virtualize a complete workstation on your own machine for workflow or some sort of productivity other than those I've mentioned, you're going to be sorely disappointed with Hyper-V - and this seems to be what a lot of the complaints in this and other threads about Hyper-V.
Not being a system admin / network person myself, you sorta lost me there LOL. But thanks for elaborating. I hope I demonstrated enough that I realised Hyper-V wasn't suitable for my purposes and actively searched for alternative solutions.
There's a reason why the two products have different feature sets, and saying that one is 'useless' because it doesn't provide the features of an entirely different product which has a different purpose is starting to get tiring.(rant over)
While I appreciate your frustration (I experience similar frustration in misunderstandings within my own expert field: molecular biology), you must understand that (a) real computer experts are a small proportion of the total adult population, so everyone who tries Hyper-V isn't going to understand the intricacies off-the-bat and (b) everyone else who isn't a computer expert is going to try out this new thing they've heard about called "Hyper-V" which is not only on their system but FREE!!!What I am trying to say is: everyone's starting knowledge is going to be different. People are going to try to apply what they already know to this new thing. Like myself, they might decide (albeit after spending a bit of time trying to 'tweak') it's not for their application. Other people might not realise there are alternatives and would begin then to 'complain'.Also I must point out that I never said Hyper-V (or any other program) was "useless" - though I realise I'm not the only person in this thread and you are probably generalising.At the same time, I agree with you that general education is a good thing. Your last post should probably be stickied to the Hyper-V/Virtualisation forum, so that people are more informed about Hyper-V and what it will/won't do BEFORE they decide to enable it and play with it - it's actually a pretty good summary and the extensive use of jargon might make lay people less likely to tackle it in the first place unless they truly understand the post.Sorry, my reply is way wordier than I originally intended. LOL.In any case, I can finally report that VMware player has turned out to be (almost) perfect for my needs. One last issue I have with it will probably need to go to a VMware forum, not here (need it to capture the mouse - many of my menu selections in the game have to be triple-clicked to register, though other XP apps work well).Live long a prosper! Thanks everyone for all the guidance to get me through my Hyper-V experience ;-)
 

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If you click inside this screen, your cursor will be captured and will then only function in the VM.
This is valid on Vista or earlier Windows versions due to the incompatibility of integration services. Seven and Eight guests do no longer capture the mouse, even at installation phase when no integration services are installed.

Same with latest Linux distros, all seem to allow seamless mouse movement without capturing. At least Open SUSE, Ubuntu and Linux Mint which I have tested work normally: click on vm to activate it, move pointer away from vm and use it normally on host.
 

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Hey all! I am fairly new to the whole virtualization thing and wanted to find out how things happen after you activate the virtual machine. Meaning, I have a laptop running Windows 8 and I want to run Windows 7 virtually. After that happens, how do I get an internet browser installed on the virtual machine?
 

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Hey all! I am fairly new to the whole virtualization thing and wanted to find out how things happen after you activate the virtual machine. Meaning, I have a laptop running Windows 8 and I want to run Windows 7 virtually. After that happens, how do I get an internet browser installed on the virtual machine?
When you install Windows or any other OS on a virtual machine, it is exactly the same as if you had installed it on a real physical computer. In Windows' case it means that IE is already installed and you can just go to Internet with it and download other browsers as if you would do on a real computer.

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Hello Duane,

When Hyper-V Platform is grayed out, it means that you do not have a 64- bit processor (CPU) that supports Second Level Address Translation (SLAT). You basically do not meet minimum requirements. :(
 

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Very Nice Tutorial Dwarf. Now My Windows 8 can running Windows 7 in VM.

It's because my software can only running on Win7. Thank you very much

The only Problem is about Hypervisor is not running. But with little setting on my BIOS. The problem is solved.

I'm just turn on the Virtual Machine setting on my BIOS.
 

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#72
Love all of the screen shots that are used in this forum.
 

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Hyper-V in Windows 8.1. Pro Preview

Good news for Hyper-V enthusiasts, Hyper-V Version 6.3.9431.0 included in Windows 8.1 Pro Preview
allows installing Windows 8 (x64 only) and Windows Server 2012 virtual machines using UEFI, which in its turn allows for instance Secure Boot or PXE boot.

Simply select 2nd Generation for your W8 or W2012 virtual machine, other than that it's straight forward installation as described in this tutorial.

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Windows Server 2012 R2 Datacenter Preview running on an UEFI virtual machine:

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#74
Hyper-V Research

Hello Everyone,
I have followed this thread from the beginning, trying to avoid as many problems as possible. I also have a grayed Hyper-V check-box, the exception being, I am running a 64 bit system with AMD dual-core processors. Please advise.







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Hi VegasFlash, welcome to the Eight Forums.

First and most important, the PC must meet the minimum requirements to run Hyper-V:
- A 64 bit system on host
- CPU support for SLAT
- 4 GB RAM minimum on host

Although I do not know your CPU, I checked the net and as far as I know it should support SLAT. Also as you have 6 GB RAM and a 64 bit system, what remains is to check that virtualization is enabled in machine BIOS.

Anyway, you should see the reason why it is grayed out in a balloon tip by hovering the mouse pointer over the Hyper-V selection. If enabled the balloon tip tells general information about Hyper-V, when disabled the tip should tell the reason why it cannot be enabled:

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Check what the balloon tip says for you, post the reason here.


Kari
 

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    6 GB
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