Hyper-V - How to Use in Windows 8

[churin]

Thanks Hopachi for your follow-ups. The Integrated Services solved most of my problems. It appears that only way to transfer data between the guest and the host is via network. For example copy and paste across the host's desktop and the guest's desktop does not work.

Is there a way to add a data drive beside the system drive within the guest OS? This is not so important but I am just curious to know.

Only problem the Integration Services did not solve is the sound card. Does anyone know how to go about enabling the sound card?

 

[Kebero]

You don't get sound in Hyper-V unless you connect to the child OS via remote desktop.

 

[Hopachi]

Thanks Hopachi for your follow-ups. The Integrated Services solved most of my problems.

You're welcome Churin.

You're right about transferring data via network, that's just the way it is.

About sound: I don't have that either.
But as Kebero said:

You don't get sound in Hyper-V unless you connect to the child OS via remote desktop.

We'll need to find out how to do this step.

Didn't used any remote desktops in Hyper-V yet...

Regards
Hopachi

 

[churin]

You don't get sound in Hyper-V

Does this mean that the sound can not be enabled on the guest OS?

unless you connect to the child OS via remote desktop.

Does this mean that the sound on the guest OS can be used from the host or any other OS on the network through remote desktop session.
This and the above conflicts with each other, so that answer to one or both of them must be negative. Clarification is appreciated.

 

[churin]

I am using two monitors each having 1600x1200 and 2550x1440, but maximus resolution for the guest OS of WXP I can set is 1600x1200. Is this the limitation of XP?

 

[Kebero]

I'll try to clarify my earlier comments, re: sound.

1)Hyper-V does not create virtual audio hardware.

2)Connecting to a child OS using the Hyper-V console will not provide you with sound.

3)Using the Remote Desktop Connection will give you the option, as it always has in Windows to play sound on the local PC. In other words, sound events will trigger the use of local, physical resources.

If the parent and child systems are on the same network (i.e. internal network), you can connect to the child system via remote desktop, just as you would any system on the same network. Naturally, you will have to enable remote desktop on the child system.

 

[Kebero]

I am using two monitors each having 1600x1200 and 2550x1440, but maximus resolution for the guest OS of WXP I can set is 1600x1200. Is this the limitation of XP?

I actually believe it's a limitation of Hyper-V.

 

[churin]

I'll try to clarify my earlier comments, re: sound.

1)Hyper-V does not create virtual audio hardware.

2)Connecting to a child OS using the Hyper-V console will not provide you with sound.

3)Using the Remote Desktop Connection will give you the option, as it always has in Windows to play sound on the local PC. In other words, sound events will trigger the use of local, physical resources.

If the parent and child systems are on the same network (i.e. internal network), you can connect to the child system via remote desktop, just as you would any system on the same network. Naturally, you will have to enable remote desktop on the child system.

Thanks for your reply. I am having difficulty accessing from the parent to the child(XP SP3) to do as suggested by the last part. I created a new thread on Virtualization under the title "Hyper-V guest XP not accessible from host or other network PC". I appreciate it if you would follow up there.

 

[awiklendt]

Great tutorial Dwarf, I would just like to add that, although a system may support virtualisation, it must first be enabled in BIOS (well, mine had to be). For my Sony Vaio, I had to hit F2 key when the system was booting (at the "VAIO" logo), Though my HP many years ago was the ESC key, I believe.

It would be good to have a follow-up tutorial on how to connect guest and host OS via remote desktop (RD). I've never setup RD on any system before and am having a not great time figuring out how to do it. It might seem a simple thing that most gurus already have setup, so they don't think to explain that part.

For instance, I was following the tutorial provided here (before I thought to look at eightforums.com):

Windows 8 “XP Mode” – Part 1: Hyper-V - 4sysops
and
Windows 8 “XP Mode” – Part 2: Windows XP - 4sysops

...and got up to "enter the network name of your VM" - but I don't know how to find the network name? Using the name I have given the virtual hard disk (WinXPproSP3) in the remote desktop connection dialogue in my host (Win8pro) gives me an error

"Remote Desktop can't find the computer "WinXPproSP3". This might mean that "WinXPproSP#" does not belong to the specified network. Verify the computer name and domain that you are trying to connect to."

I have enabled RDP in the virtual machine (WinXPproSP3) as described in part-2 link above.

Also, some sites say guest and host can RD only if they're on the same network, but no tutorial actually tells you that for setup - so how do i know what networks my guest and host OS are on? and can it be changed after-the-fact? When I check 'System properties' on both machines, they both state they are on workgroup "WORKGROUP". When I click on "Change..." at "To rename this computer or change its domain or workgroup", it has two radio buttons, one for "Domain", the other for "Workgroup". Both OSs have workgroup selected. Do i need to change them to a domain?

And lastly, I think I have to specify (don't know if this is important) that I'm using a standalone computer - no home networking setup or use of ethernet cables or anything. I mostly use my laptop commuting on the train to and from work, so I mostly use a USB modem for internt OR wifi tethering from my phone, and I've never otherwise had to play with any networking settings...

Not sure where to go from here. Any tutorials I've been able to find only focus on enabling RD on the guest OS but fail to detail how to get RD working on the host (as Win8) and even then seem to just say "and then connect them" but without specifying how....

It seems that, to get sound, RD has to be enabled first.

Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Agnieszka.

 

[Kebero]

What I do is to create an internal network adapter for the VM, and designate it as a 'work' location in the VM. As long as the IP addresses on the internal network adapter are the same network for host and guest, you'll be fine.

 

[awiklendt]

What I do is to create an internal network adapter for the VM, and designate it as a 'work' location in the VM. As long as the IP addresses on the internal network adapter are the same network for host and guest, you'll be fine.

Hi Kebero, thanks for that i'll try it after work - if i do setup this internal network adapter (this is in HyperV network switches dialogue, yes?) is that what will then allow RDP between Hyper-V XP and local Win 8, (without stuffing up host internet)?

i don't need internet for the guest OS, just RDP to get sound working and hopefully to "integrate" programs (that is, so that i can run XP programs without running HyperV specifically - that's my current understanding of the benefit of RDP, correct me if i'm wrong!)

i must admit, a few days ago i played a little too much with settings i knew too little about without as much research as i normally do and lost all internet connectivity in both host and guest, no matter what i tried to do to restore them (i think i just made the situation worse the more i tried playing with the adapter settings - i ended up uninstalling HyperV and reinstalling it and *phew* that restored old network adapter settings and internet to host computer... time to up the ante on investment into research time on this stuff... LOL.

 

[awiklendt]

click here to read the entire tutorial

Thanks for the link. I have an external network switch setup now, however there is no detail how this helps in remote desktop setup. Giving the XP VM an external switch did not enable whatever was supposed to let RDP work between host and guest.

@Kebero, I have checked the IP address of both machines as described here
How to find IP address in windows xp
(same method seemed worked for Win8 too)

and they were different.

I decided it was safest to change the XP IP address, so found this tutorial
http://www.murdoch.edu.au/itservicedesk/docs/Changing%20IP%20Address%20in%20XP%20with%20screenshots.pdf

when i re-checked the ip address in XP, it was now the same as my Win8 machine. I also made sure the DNS server number was the same.

So i tried to connect to the XP machine via the Win8 remote desktop connection dialogue but it gives me the same error as before ("before" = when i had no network switch setup for XP in HyperV and before the same IP was set for XP as in Win8):
"Remote Desktop can't find the computer "WinXPproSP3". This might mean that "WinXPproSP3" does not belong to the specified network. Verify the computer name and domain that you are trying to connect to."

I get this error whether i try to connect to my XP VM with Hyper-V on and the VM on and connected, Hyper-V on by VM off, or even with Hyper-V closed.

Does anyone have any other suggestions?

 

[area 66]

Install a second network card and make it external in the Virtual Switch Manager, Hyper-V is mainly a servers hypervisor, we always use external ( bridged) dedicated nic to the VM

 

[awiklendt]

Install a second network card and make it external in the Virtual Switch Manager, Hyper-V is mainly a servers hypervisor, we always use external ( bridged) dedicated nic to the VM

Hi, thanks for replying.

Do you mean a second physical network card in my host machine? I'm afraid it's a laptop...

 

[area 66]

your laptop must have a wi-fi and a ethernet ( cable ) one ? , if not you can purchase a usb ethernet

the linksys and d-link are less than $ 30

Newegg.com - Computer Hardware, Networking, Wired Networking, Network Interface Cards, USB

 

[awiklendt]

your laptop must have a wi-fi and a ethernet ( cable ) one ? , if not you can purchase a usb ethernet

the linksys and d-link are less than $ 30

Newegg.com - Computer Hardware, Networking, Wired Networking, Network Interface Cards, USB

I think I have to specify (don't know if this is important) that I'm using a standalone computer - no home networking setup or use of ethernet cables or anything. I mostly use my laptop commuting on the train to and from work, so I mostly use a USB modem for internt OR wifi tethering from my phone, and I've never otherwise had to play with any networking settings...

Hi area 66, I have an ethernet port but do not use it. At the same time, I have already setup the external switch in Hyper-V using the ethernet adapter, are you suggesting to setup a _second_ switch with the _same_ adapter? (you can tell i'm a real networking noob, if you hadn't earlier!)

Just to re-iterate, i'm not after internet connection on the guest OS, just RDP so i can get sound going.

Alternatively, will it be easier to setup my XP using VirtualBox, or will i have the same networking issues/learning-curve there? in VirtualBox, I would have to investigate whether i even need RDP to get sound, i might not, if memory serves from my brief googling.

Tell you what, gimme a week or so to play with VirtualBox - I'm not hell-bent on using Hyper-V, i just wanted to utilise the native components available in Win8, but ho-hum free and open-source it can be also.

Ta,
Agnieszka.

 

[area 66]

Yes it will be more easy with Virtualbox of Vmware player as they have built-in sound, in your case it's what you need

 

[awiklendt]

OK, preliminary report:

Hyper-V: no sound
VirtualBox: sound (yay!) but very poor graphics adapter
VMware + VMTools: out-of-the-box sound and graphics adapter with pixel shading (v1.4, but still...).

so far, VMware takes the cake. will make a progress report when I've tested what I wanted XP for in the first place...!

 

[area 66]

For me it's Hyper-v every where I can, and Vmware Workstation where I can't use Hyper-V, the reason is that I can move my VM from a server to a desktop, so I have uniformity. You can also move VM with Vmware, but my servers have only Hyper-V as option. That's probably a reason that will make me install Windows 8 in more PC

 

[Kebero]

I think a few people here don't understand the purposes of Hyper-V and VMware Workstation.