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How to reinstate WinMail onto Windows 8 or Windows 10


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..an update to a program being the culprit. Apparently Internet Download manager version 6.35 Build 9 broke things,
I'm glad you got it working, even though it's hard to see how IDM was the cause unless it was somehow grabbing/interrupting the logon process at gmail. I'm a long time user of IDM as well, and I just don't see it, but I can't say 100% though ...fwiw, I'm actually still using b9 and haven't bothered update to b10 yet, and have no problems with b9 or IDM ever affecting WinMail in any way.
Anyway that's all OT and too vague to discuss here, so let's not.

I am just happy you got WM working, and so good job.



..Next Day Edit:
FWIW, while using IDM, I looked, and saw I'm actually using b8 and not b9, and so just for accuracy sake thought I'd mention that as a fyi; also though I use POP and you use IMAP if that even would have mattered.. I guess for yourself if you Really wanted to know for sure, if you Uninstalled b10 and went backwards and installed b9 again - and WM had that problem once again, and then you updated to b10 and then it worked okay, well, then it would be hard to deny that focus.
 
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Guys I have Win10 Pro 1909 (newly upgraded from Win7) & have got as far as line 12 and am confused as to what to do next. @Endeavour any ideas? (It doesn't work thus far)
 
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Guys I have Win10 Pro 1909 (newly upgraded from Win7) & have got as far as line 12 and am confused as to what to do next.
You're going to v1909, so you should not be on Step 12, but instead followed Step 11 and next gone to and executed Post 2 next.
Did you not read Step 11 in its big bold red letters and the underlined text?

11. For Win10 v1709+ / Sever2019+ users only, continue to Post #2 to finish before opening WinMail; otherwise go to step 12
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anywhere in the tutorial that there's a + after a version number, indicates it also includes all versions beyond that one)

I have meticulously and laboriously detailed and worded every single step, there are no shortcuts here, please take the time to read and understand it. It's easy for advanced users; otherwise do not attempt.

Also, you say you are coming from Windows 7 as an upgrade, then First, as with any major upgrade with Win10 versions now, Make Darn Sure You Have First Read and Understand the Backup/Restore Spoiler First, AND the Timeline note: 7/2019 - and Have The Backups Saved First! ..or, do not proceed with the upgrade, or except the consequences.
..If you did not make a Backup, you will most likely lose all your emails and account info during the upgrade, and so make sure you have a Full Backup of your message store folder and WinMail HKCU as outlined in the B/R spoiler, so that you can easily and quickly Restore them after the 1909 upgrade and be whole again!

All this is meticulously explained, please read and understand first, before proceeding, please, and thank you.
 
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Sorry, I thought it only worked for the stated lower version. My bad. I was all tired and confused anyway as the upgrade took me ages to complete..
OK I will do as you instructed and thanks for everything.
 

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I thought it only worked for the stated lower version.
As it says in a few places though:
(anywhere in the tutorial that there's a + after a version number, indicates it also includes all versions beyond that one)

Understand the tutorial (especially within the spoilers) is jam packed with information, it's a must read, and to be understood, Before, attempting the latest Win10 upgrades - there's no way around it.
Again to reiterate, if you had a previous fully working WinMail setup installed, it's IMPERATIVE one makes a Backup/Restore of WinMail (as outlined) Before you proceed.
 

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I've got it working now, thanks everyone and especially Endeavor for all the hard work.
Is there any way of stopping Windows insisting on verifying user name and password for every account?
I have 8 email accounts and simply imported the .iaf files backed up in my document folders.
It will mean that I have to a "Forgot Password" routine for all of them as I can't remember what the passwords are/were.
 

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Is there any way of stopping Windows insisting on verifying user name and password for every account?
When using the Backup/Restore Procedures methods, you will have to enter in those passwords. As it says and I'll copy/paste quote:
..snip..
*The only thing you'll have to do is re-enter the password of your mail and news servers in the Accounts> Properties> Server tab password slots for it (or instead when you first connect to your mail server will prompt you for it to enter, and then checkmark the remember box) ..You should know what your servers name/pass are anyway (have them saved in txt file somewhere)
I too have 7 local accounts, not to mention numerous newsgroups, and having those name/pass saved in a text file, it's just a matter of copy/paste for each account to enter them in. I think it's good security anyway.
I do not like to tell people to use .iaf files simply because I want to make sure that no mixing of account information happens to mess things up; let's say if accounts info has changed since their last Message Store backup, compared to the time they created those .iaf files, then what happens then.

It's the name/pass only that's left out in a Restore of message store backup; everything else (all other account info) is contained within the restore of the backup.
 
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It's weird, W10 security wants me to enter the account details manually despite importing my backed up .iaf files containing all that information already.
I'm scratching my head at the moment wondering what to do next......not your fault, but I just wondered if anyone had this experience.
In the meantime I'm simply reading my email online at my webmail.
 

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despite importing my backed up .iaf files containing all that information already.
I've tried to explain in my post above, and also in the Tutorials spoiler notes.
I don't like to mix the two backup methods, and don't like using .iaf with the new Windows Backup/Restore procedures
Mixing of account info between the two methods can and does happen, which can be detrimental.

For one thing when using .iaf files, know that each iaf only contains info for one account only, and so you would need to create one on each and every account, and so if you have 15 accounts you would need to export on each one - HOWEVER, it's known that .iaf files export more than just passwords, they also export it's xxxxxxx.oeaccount info as well as many other things (edit them and see for yourself) The Backup/Restore procedure I give (no .iaf exports or imports needed or wanted) gets EVERYTHING at once (except name/pass) (security feature) ..however the latest Win10 upgrades (I've seen myself) ..change those xxxxx.oeaccount names, etc, and so here's where mixing comes in where in your new updated message store folder contains one unique xxxxxx.oeaccount numbers which was changed by the upgrade, and then you merge an old .iaf file which had another - and you have a mismatch and incorrect info - it gets complex.

That's why I say, and I stand by the exact procedure of the Backup/Restore method, which contains EVERYTHING needed (except name/pass) (security precaution)
...and in the process of my Backup/Restore method, which includes after the upgrade you delete the new message store folder created and the new corrupted info along with it, and place the last saved working backup message store folder in its place, which automatically takes care of everything preventing mixing. The last working backup contains everyting needed, it worked before and it will work again. By the nature of the delete of the new one removes the new xxx.oeaccount files, etc, etc, created by the upgrade which are not compatible with the old, etc, etc, etc, on many levels x10.
It's too much to explain every single time to each person, sorry.
Either do the Backup/Restore procedure completely and correctly (which Peter you did not I can tell) ..or move on to another email client going forward.

All the info is in the tutorial, including spoilers, of which to explain every mi-nute detail more than what I have, would take too many pages besides what I already give in Post 1 & 2 ...and I can tell people don't read completely what I have there already in the first place, you haven't <g> .. <g> I want to be considerate and respectful, but at the same time frank..

People either need to do it the right way the first time, as outlined in Post 1 & 2, including the Backup/Restore procedure - No Exceptions anymore! ..or move on to another supported email client.

Thank you for your understanding.
 
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Well then I'm screwed. I'll have to set up everything from scratch regarding email accounts. I have always backed WM that way. My eyesight is getting so bad that I can't read large buches of text very easily so tend to look for things I'm familiar with.
Thanks and sorry to trouble you.
 

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I want to keep the tutorial as short as I can, while being as accurate as I can.
It's complex yes; yet simple.
It does require a full read, no skipping around, no impatience, again requires a Full Read and most importantly a Full Understanding Before anyone proceeds, which includes a full Backup of the Backup/Restore Procedures beforehand - Especially for Windows 10!
There is no way around it.
It's as easy as ever, but takes understanding and commitment. It's not for everyone to do.

I know Peter you have been around a long time, and are a respected member of many forums.

I am very sorry for your eyesight! ..If I was at your house I would do it for you.

Peace & Respect to you!
 

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Is there any way of stopping Windows insisting on verifying user name and password for every account?
I have 8 email accounts and simply imported the .iaf files backed up in my document folders.
It will mean that I have to a "Forgot Password" routine for all of them as I can't remember what the passwords are/were.

If you have the accounts previously working on another instance, you can use BulletsPassView from Nirsoft to recover the passwords. This is quite useful if you don't have them stored somewhere, e.g., in a password manager, text file, etc.
 

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Thanks Endeavor and tmthywynn8 - much appreciated.
 

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That BulletsPassView tmthywynn8 pointed out in his last post above, works very well after adjusting options and a quick curve how to use it, I tested it the other day, but obviously it must be used Before any upgrades when WinMail accounts are working correctly; naturally it's best to have them already saved in a text file beforehand. I've used other softwares before that does the similar thing to Reveal the password or code behind the xxxxx bullets; with WinMail you'll still need the server username iirc. Anyway I put a link to this program in the Backup/Restore procedure now, thank you. It may come in handy for those who've forgotten their password and don't have them saved somewhere, but please don't let that happen. How hard is it anyway when you first setup any mail Client (or any software) to save name/passwords into a text file, and have it available when you need it - come on it's basic things to do!

fwiw, I for one am not in any hurry to rush to 'upgrade' Win10 to v1909 on my main towers; even for WinMail users I don't recommend it unless you're very hip, into it, and have full partition backups of C:\ beforehand no matter what to be prepared, to be able to Fully and properly revert/restore. Always be 100% in full control of your computer.
I personally prefer to wait for an actual ISO download instead of bloaty upgrades, and then fresh install that from scratch; the heck with bloaty upgrades it's not my thing. When finished with the iso fresh install and setting up the OS, then the re-instate WinMail procedure, and then use the Backup/Restore procedure to bring my previous up to date fully working WinMail setup, into the new version OS.

I still love using Windows 8 and Windows 7 anyway, and use them all the time; even right now typing this message on. I'm never in any hurry or feel pressured to update to the supposed latest and greatest. As for WinMail on each of my OS's, when needed, I swap the full message store over onto each one when I need to ..click, click, click and in a minute it's done.
Restoring or Transferring a complete full message store backup is very easy, I do it all the time. I don't know what all the fuss is about.

Anyway I've updated the Tutorial changing around Step 2 to Step 1 and some re-wording as well. I want to make very sure that people know not to update or upgrade Windows 10 unless you make a full WinMail Backup using the Backup/Restore procedures, first!

Just to keep up though, I've also taken the time to install and test WinMail on v1909, everything went fine of course, and then posted the working WinMail screenshot of that as I always do, on post 2
 
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Great job Endeavor !! :D:cool:
 

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