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How to reinstate WinMail onto Windows 8 or Windows 10


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#41
I probably wouldn't know the answer as I'm not too technical. I think in my case something went wrong with my re-doing it after upgrading to 8.1.
 

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#42
I am running Winmail on Windows 8.1 Pro, love it, also use it on Windows 7 Pro & Ultimate. It interfaces with windows contacts located in the user files.

On the odd occasion I find I get an Email that I am unable to open
Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: WinMail.exe
Application Version: 6.0.6001.18000
Application Timestamp: 479197cd
Fault Module Name: mshtml.dll
Fault Module Version: 11.0.9600.16476
Fault Module Timestamp: 52948abb
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 00000000001a25ee
OS Version: 6.3.9600.2.0.0.256.103
Locale ID: 2057
Additional Information 1: 8ac9
Additional Information 2: 8ac990d380567ffb949d2ef1f9533f4e
Additional Information 3: 19c8
Additional Information 4: 19c85a33e203d75cafe1f3daf1cbd2d7

Does anyone have any idea's
Thanks in advance
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#43
Try turning off email scanning in your anti-virus to see if that helps. I Googled winmail Exception Code: c0000005 and got quite a few hits on that.

The best place to ask would be to pretend it's Vista (which WinMail belongs to) and post here: Browsers & Mail
 

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#44
I run Windows Defender on Windows 8.1......so don't think there is an option for turning Email scan off.
 

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I run Windows Defender on Windows 8.1......so don't think there is an option for turning Email scan off.
In WinMail go to Tools/Options/Security and use the Internet Zone option as shown here:

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Hi Peter
That is how mine is set, however I have also ticked the boxes:-
Do Not allow attachments
Block images
So will un-tick these and try again
Thanks
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OK, good luck. It's kind of a hit-and-miss scenario with WM in anything but what it was meant for, Vista.
 

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Just noticed, your old home town, I also use to live in the area and went to school in Four Oaks....long time ago when I had hair on my head !!!
 

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It's a small world.
 

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I have Winmail working great on Win 7. I want to upgrade to Windows 8 which I see above can be done. My question is the storage Folders/files I want to move to 8 to, what be proper way to do it?
Thanks,
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Upgrading/installing Windows 8 (actually 8.1 is current) will probably break Windows Mail as it isn't supported, even in Windows 7 let alone 8/8.1 but you can export, it is done in the normal way...what folders/files exactly are you wanting to move?
 
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I'm aware Winmail is not supported in 7 or 8 but it's apparent I many others have got it to work.
I was inquiring about the Message Store of *.eml, the Contact List, storage filers, Rules, etc..
Thanks & good day..........Bill
 

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OK. Just follow the Vista Forums tutorials on the subject for exporting folders/messages etc: Windows Mail - Messages
The contact list is simply Windows Contacts and they are in your own personal library and can be "sent to" anywhere for backup. Or open Windows Mail and select File > Export > Contacts.
Rules are stored in the registry and feasibly could be exported I suppose but you would have to be very careful doing it. I would do a Google Search on that and remember that Windows Mail is Vista as that will help in the search.
The Tutorial on doing Windows Mail in Win 7 and above has been taken down by the owner of the forums because of incompatibilities, copyright reasons etc. But I can link you to a copy I have stored should you need it. I have it stored in the Cloud so would need your email address to give it to you. (Private Messaging isn't on for new users) - post it disguised as in abc AT xyz DOT com if you need the files to reinstall WM.
 
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Regards Windows Contacts.
I have a back up of my Windows Contacts on a flash drive / memory stick.
Very simple to do:-
Go to
This PC
C Drive
Users
The Folder with your name
You should now see Contacts, so just copy to your memory stick.
 

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Hi Guys,

I have just bought a new laptop with Windows 8.1 installed and have been trying to install Windows Mail from my old laptop (which has Vista installed).

I have followed your instructions (I think) and managed to delete the Windows Mail programme in 8.1.

I have copied the msidcrl30.dll into windows/system32.

I have also copied the Windows Mail folder/programme from Vista and pasted it into the programs file on my 8.1 laptop.

I can see all the files there but I can't get Windows Mail to open up.

There is a WinMail folder in the programme list. I assumed this was the folder to open WinMail but when I clicked on it all I got was the cursor circle going round and around for an hour!

I am just about to pull what little hair I still have left out in frustration.

I think I'm doing everything correctly but I'm the first to admit I'm no expert.

Can anyone help?

Thank you (anticipation).

Paul
 

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You MUST use "Take Ownership" if you just Cut & Copy then it will not work.

1) You need to install take ownership and use it for all of the following:-
2) Delete the existing Windows Mail files located in Program Files (I deleted both the 32 & 64 bit)
3) Copy the New windows Mail files (ex Vista) to Program Files (I copied both the 32 & 64 bit even though I only use the 32 bit)
4) Copy the dll file to System 32 folder located in the Windows Folder

Remember to use take ownership for all of the above
 

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Hello Paul,
First of all Welcome to the EightForums, I see this is your first post.

I saw your post on the SevenForums WinMail thread. As I had said there, realize please that modifying WinMail to work on Windows 8 is really for Advanced users, and of course not supported in any way by Microsoft, and because of that you may want to consider moving on to a supported email client. I'm not trying to dissuade you from trying WinMail on 8, but just want to protect your expectations of what it means to install it, and understand its limitations going forward. Having said all that, for someone who is more familiar and experienced with computers, enabling WinMail on Win7 or Win8 is really a 5 minute task with just a few clicks of the keyboard and mouse - but if you are new to computers then it may seem like the impossible.

As Syd said there is little more to it than a simple copy and paste of files. I see you mentioned in the other forum you are running Win8 64 bit, so just be sure the all the files you copied from are Also from a 64bit OS as well, and, with 64bit OS's that you are putting them in the correct Programs folder, and not the (x86) folder.

Read the first post at the beginning of this thread to get a feel for it:
https://www.eightforums.com/browsers-mail/3698-how-use-winmail-windows-8-a.html#post91690
If you think it's too hard, then please do yourself a favor and move on to a supported email client where Many more people can help you set it up.

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#58
Hi Syd and 'Endeavour',

Thank you for your help but I still haven't managed to get Windows Mail working on my new laptop with 8.1.

I 'took ownership' of the all the files in Windows Mail in Vista and them copied them into 'Programs' in Windows 8.1.

I then 'took ownership' again in Windows 8.1.

I then did a shortcut to both the 'start page' the 'desktop'.

When I clicked the shorcut button, it opened the Windows Mail folder and showed all the files in it.

I then clicked on the WinMail folder and the cursor on my laptop then whirled round and around and the sytem became unstable. I had to re-start my laptop to stop the 'whirling' cursor.

The files I copied across from Vista are:-

en-US
msoe.dll
MSOERES.dll
oeimport.dll
OESpamFilter.dat
OESpamFilter.dll
wab.exe
wabfind.dll
wabimp.dll
wabmig.exe
WindowsMailGadget.exe
WinMail.exe

Also, my Vista Windows Mail was 32 bit (whatever that it) whereas my new laptop is 64 bit.

I wonder if that is where the problem lies?

I have learned a lot by trying to do this myself but it is frustrating when I read how other members have been able to do thso so easily.

If I can possibly 'beat' this problem myself I would like to if at all possible.

If I can't I'll just have to use the inferior (in my humble opinion) version of 'Mail' in 8.1.

I have a lot of contacts in my Windows Mail and I can't copy them across to this new version of Mail.

Also, I much prefer to be able to store my e-mails whereas this new version of 'Mail' seems to drop e-mails off the system after a while.

Once again guys, thank you for all your help. If you can think of anything else I would appreciate it. I hate to be beaten by this blimmin' machine!!!!

Many thanks.

Kind regards,

Paul
 

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Also, my Vista Windows Mail was 32 bit (whatever that is) whereas my new laptop is 64 bit.
(by the way, greetings to New Zealand)

That's what I thought and why I brought it up Paul, I had a feeling. No! absolutely you can not copy your 32 bit programs folder files over into a 64 bit program files folder and expect it to work, and is one of your problems. This is why I say it's more for experienced users where these little things are a known quantity, but new computer users aren't expected to understand that and don't. I'm not trying to make you feel bad I'm just trying to be real. I do appreciate your position though and your tenacity of wanting to do this.

Also realize that using WinMail on Windows7 or Windows 8 you won't be able to use (for one thing) your Spam Filter function anymore, and there are a few other minor functions on WinMail that of course work in your Vista setup that will never work in Win7/8 either, and is why I said using WinMail on 7 or 8 has known, but minor limitations.

I do Totally understand you saying you want to use WinMail Paul, and for all the reasons you mentioned and more...I agree, but you need to be able to learn how to make this change over.

Paul, all the information you need to know is on Post #1 of this thread and it has the very 64 bit files you need to get your WinMail working, and so download it, and delete 'All' each and every one of the 32 bit files you've already placed in your programs & system32 folder, and then copy the correct 64 bit ones in their place. (the difference of the few extra program files you had is just the Spam filter, etc, files that would not work anyway)


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I think you don't read my post exactly:
Read exact - where do you read "delete" or "replace" in the following ???

  • Rename "Windows Mail" to "Windows Mail 8" (for not to need take ownership)
  • Create new "Windows Mail" folder (so all registry references still being correct)
  • Copy content of "Windows Mail" folder from Vista (or a working version from Windows 7) into new created "Windows Mail" folder
  • Copy "msidcrl30.dll" into "Windows Mail" folder (from Windows 7 or the above attachment)
  • Run "Windows Mail"
Thank you Nifu! It works great for me.
 

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