How to reinstate WinMail onto Windows 8/10/11

[zoranilieski]

windows 8.1

I installed the update Windows 8 to 8.1
Now Winmail does not work.
What to do?

Follow the steps for integration on win 10, it will works!

 

[endeavor]

Hello zoranilieski and welcome to the Eight Forums,

The post you quoted and replied to above is from 2013, and that member mark54 has not logged in since 2013..

As far as your previous questions asking about Outlook 365 Exchange to member BridgeHead who you quoted about it, or anyone else, I've personally never used Outlook 365 Exchange before so I cannot help you, and I'm not sure BridgeHead monitors this thread.
Try sending him a PM is the best I can suggest, however understand he was never able to ever get it working, and as far as I know from this thread no one else has ever tried that combination either. At this late point in time there are definitely no plans to do so, sorry.

 

[zoranilieski]

Hello zoranilieski and welcome to the Eight Forums,

The post you quoted and replied to above is from 2013, and that member mark54 has not logged in since 2013..

As far as your previous questions asking about Outlook 365 Exchange to member BridgeHead who you quoted about it, or anyone else, I've personally never used Outlook 365 Exchange before so I cannot help you, and I'm not sure BridgeHead monitors this thread.
Try sending him a PM is the best I can suggest, however understand he was never able to ever get it working, and as far as I know from this thread no one else has ever tried that combination either. At this late point in time there are definitely no plans to do so, sorry.

Dear friend,

Thanks for your concern and reply to my issues. I hope that will be some user to have the same problem and have the solution. Im not advanced programer, I'm just normal PC user. I love WM and it frustrate me all other mail clients, I fill confutable using the WM as my own best e-mail client. I really believe that will be a solution.
Meany thanks for your respect of the members of this forum!
Best,
Zoran

 

[Kukattooo]

Today M$ made an auto-update to W11/22h2 and destroyed the Windows Mail folder in the Program Files, deletet/replaced some of the program files and renamed msoe.dll to msoe.dll.nouse ... nothing is working anymore: it was removed from tastbar, program itself was deleted, and starting a copy (back in program folder) states that one of the libraries was not found ...

Shame on them! Dunno how long it takes to have again access to all my mails ...

... OK, rollback to W11/21h2 and it's running again (and all mails are accessible again) ...

Now how to keep WinMail Vista in W11 22h2? Bare reinstall (from #1) and it then works again? Or is there something else to do?

 

[endeavor]

Today M$ made an auto-update to W11/22h2 and destroyed the Windows Mail folder in the Program Files, deletet/replaced some of the program files and renamed msoe.dll to msoe.dll.nouse ... nothing is working anymore: it was removed from tastbar, program itself was deleted, and starting a copy (back in program folder) states that one of the libraries was not found ...

We all already know all that already Kukattooo; and btw each time they remove way more than that!
M$ has done this each and every OS version way back since Windows 10, v1903, right up until today - where have you been?
I talk about this in the spoiler Time Line Notes: Note: 7/2019 ...go read it, it's old news by now.

Looking back over all your posts here, and I see, and I say this often to you (check it) ..I still don't think you ever completely read the entire tutorial manual yet - and all these answers you ask today are there for you already on what to do. I'm not going to keep repeating this please. You need to do your part. Take the time to Read and understand the instruction manual please.

Now how to keep WinMail Vista in W11 22h2? Bare reinstall (from #1) and it then works again? Or is there something else to do?

I've repeated this countless times in countless posts that same answer over and over again. Please go back and read the Backup/Restore Procedure 1, 2, 3 spoiler for full information on when, why, and how to do that. Read everything on Post 1 & 2, read all spoilers on Post 1. Even read the second spoiler in Post #5 on what to do (what software / procedures you can do) in order to stop Win10/11 from automatically updating itself when they want to, until You are ready when you want to do it, but most importantly of course, you only do the windows update AFTER your have your Full, Backup/Restore Procedure 1, 2, 3 already done already, so that you can easily Restore it in less than 5 minutes ...easy!

There is no stopping a Windows Update from breaking WinMail going forward, that is a known fact - but, when you let WU update, Why not give yourself the power to do a Restore of the Backup/Restore Procedure 1, 2, 3 right afterwards, taking just a few minutes ...and Kukattooo, you can restore it in less time than it took you to think about, or the time it took you to type your above message - it's so easy, I don't know why you have never read, understood, or realized that yet. RTFM

 

[Kukattooo]

Thanks – I just wanted to clarify that it will still work on 22h2 as I was not sure. I knew that big updates are a problem, but it's the first time that an update caused such a crash on one of my PCs that I was not prepared to ... but it seems that I did all as it should be so far ...

 

[endeavor]

Thanks – I just wanted to clarify that it will still work on 22h2 as I was not sure.

You could of determined that instantly after it updated, by just doing a "Restore" of the Backup/Restore Procedure 1, 2, 3 ...and in a few minutes you would of had your answer, yes it does.

So point is you should Always be ready in the first place; iow, you always have a 'current' dated save of a 'working' Full, Backup/Restore Procedure 1, 2, 3 already done already ready to go. NOTE: You Can Not Create it after the fact of corruption, because you can not restore a corrupted MSF, and so as the instructions clearly say always always always have a fresh dated, working, Full, Backup/Restore Procedure 1, 2, 3 already done already and ready to go at all times.

And yes, Win11 22h2 is just one of a few dozen major build updates that have been done since Windows 10, v1903, and it's no different - they all work.
I had some time this morning to install this latest Windows 11 22H2 build 22621.1105, and yes it works, see spoiler screenshot:

Spoiler: Windows 11 Pro, 22H2 b22621.1105

<if necessary, click image for full size>

I've updated Post 2 with this latest Win11 build, although fwiw, I much prefer Windows 10. Personally I don't care for Win11 at all! LoL ...ymmv

 

[Kukattooo]

As said: it was the first time here that a Windows Update caused the non-functioning ... The reason is that I never used Windows 7 and Windwos 10. I jumped from Windows Vista directly to Windows 8.1 and then to Windows 11 – and in Windows 8.1 that problem never occurred. So I just was not prepared to such a problem. As now it is clear that I always have to be prepared to it, I'll not only be prepared to be able to immediately reinstall it, but also have it installed parallely on a second PC that never will be updated at the same time (but earlier or later).

Additionally I was fearing that it could happen that even after a rollback it would not work again ...

The problem was not primarily that WMV did not work, but that I did not have access to my mails without doing some additional timeconsuming work (that I did not have time to at that moment).

Besides I learnt something more about Windows updates: how to limit an installed Windows version to a certain release – to allow update then, when you are prepared to (and not then, when M$ forces it) – by adding a short registry hack:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate]
"TargetReleaseVersion"=dword:00000001
"ProductVersion"="Windows 11"
"TargetReleaseVersionInfo"="21h2"

 

[endeavor]

I jumped from Windows Vista directly to Windows 8.1 and then to Windows 11

Without question in that case I would of stayed with a jump only to Win10, and not Win11 for a thousand reasons, but ymmv.

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

Brink talks about that function for your version in our sister ElevenForum linked here:
<<Specify Target Feature Update Version in Windows 11 Tutorial>>
He has that article listed in our other sister TenForum for Win10 as well....
..also remember it's only good until EOS for your version which is what a year or two.

I personally 1000% prefer Win10 21H2 Enterprise LTSC for a thousand good stable reasons.
I turn WU off completely, no need for it for my needs; ymmv
I'll stay with my Win10 21H2 Enterprise LTSC build 19044.1288, with WinMail, for the rest of my life <g>
This is all OT to the Tutorial here though, so will end that discussion here. Good Luck



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[BridgeHead]

My winmail has recently started acting strange. The main issue is that the views bar seems to have disappeared. I can get all the functionality from the menu, but miss having the icons to click on to do things quicker. Here is what the bar looks like when shown:

There is no Send Receive, Create Mail or search icon. I occasionally had this in the past but a close/reopen seemed to fix it, but this trick no longer works.

Anyone have any thoughts?
Don

 

[endeavor]

Anyone have any thoughts?
Don

Odd, it almost looks like the things got enlarged and are hiding off the screen.
I wish you had a better screenshot showing

Anyway Page 1 on the spoiler "Backup\Restore Procedure 1, 2, 3"
This could be? a really quick simple fix, as long as you had saved a previous "Backup\Restore Procedure 1, 2, 3"
If you did (lucky and smart you are)

Page 1 spoiler "Backup\Restore Procedure 1, 2, 3"
Just merge your working reg that you made of 'Create' 'Step 2' - while it was working!
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows Mail
(merge only while WinMail is Closed / Off or it won't take)
Do a 'Restore' 'Step 2' ..merge the backup.reg
When you open WinMail again - your toolbar and GUI layout will be just as it was the day you made your backup.reg

 

[BridgeHead]

The backup reg entries got me back up and rolling on the menu issue.
Finally suffered through the 22H2 update and after carefully following the tutorial, winmail is back up and rolling.
However, I regularly have issues when replying to or forwarding certain emails where the cursor starts blinking and alternating circle to vertical bar and eventually (maybe 30 seconds?) hangs the program requiring an end task to get out of it. Workaround I have found is to immediately save the post to drafts and edit it from there (where it doesn't seem to have the same problem).
Has anyone else experienced this issue and found a solution. I had hoped the update would have fixed the problem, but alas it is still there.

 

[endeavor]

However, I regularly have issues when replying to or forwarding certain emails where the cursor starts blinking and alternating circle to vertical bar and eventually (maybe 30 seconds?) hangs the program requiring an end task to get out of it. Workaround I have found is to immediately save the post to drafts and edit it from there (where it doesn't seem to have the same problem).
Has anyone else experienced this issue and found a solution. I had hoped the update would have fixed the problem, but alas it is still there.

You (we) have talked about this same issue years before, and here was my posts answer to your question ...and it hasn't changed really.
I read all your posts from back then and from your begining. You had too many different things you were doing incorrectly, using different files than here, the wrong version ones, different methods, possibly corrupt message stores resulted, etc, etc. And if you carried any of this over, then...

Anyway, as I said before if you can create a fresh Win10 install on a spare HD, use only the files and methods given in this tutorial, there will be no problems as long as you were true to form.

 

[Kukattooo]

Problem: when moving or copying mails from one folder to another (specially when moving/copying from one account to another) WMV hangs after third or fourth copying/moving process. As prevention I have to select any folder of another account after the third copying/moving process before doing the next one – otherwise WMV first presents the "activity window" of copying/moving with a cancel button – but when clicking it nothing happens; after a big while a second "activit window" appears behind with the message that the server did not react and a button to accept this ("OK") and stop the process; you then have to move the first window away and click the button in the behind window directly (then also the front window disappears).

Is this behaviour known? Is there any known circumvention of it to prevent it (besides always selecting a folder of a different account after three copying/moving processes before starting the next copy or move process from the same folder)?

 

[dskmusic]

hi, all works! but gmail accounts seems to fail to download.. I have other accotuns and works great, but gmail and yahoo not. I have the same config in windows 10, all works fine. but in windows 11 not works.. any idea? thanks!

 

[endeavor]

[....] Is this behaviour known?

@ Kukattooo
I've not seen or heard of this issue on 100% tutorial WinMail installs, no. (using all the given compatible file sets are critical)
I also don't normally use or see IMAP setups that often which is what you (or use to) use, of which its networking is even more complex, especially when you start moving large amounts of emails, and the accounts have to keep up, and on top of it if you don't have a fast GB ISP connection then it's all much more difficult; it still is even if you do it all locally without IMAP.

possibly OT, but repeating I've also personally found years ago that Outlook Express & WinMail does not work as well well with over 40 to 50 thousand regular or news posts onboard. Besides that, each email is kept track of internally, and then if you start moving exceptionally large amount of files it's just too much for that internal process to keep up with that task, even locally, let alone adding IMAP into the mix.
Remember, Windows Mail is 2006 technology.

Also know that once you get any type of message store folder corruption on top of it, it's nearly impossible to clear without starting with a fresh one.

A slim and trim, and simple, message store folder, is always the best course.


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gmail accounts seems to fail to download..

@ dskmusic
You can look back somewhere at this post HERE for any clues.
See if any of those conversations apply to you.

 

[caseym54]

Never mind.

 

[Haunted]

Today my Win 10 forced me to update to 22H2, but strangely my existing WinMail survived. No restoring / reinstalling was necessary.

 

[endeavor]

Today my Win 10 forced me to update to 22H2, but strangely my existing WinMail survived. No restoring / reinstalling was necessary.

You've mentioned this once before in one of your previous posts, but no one should ever assume or expect these same results since the installer routine for all major updates/upgrades is hard coded, there's no end user normal way around it that the legacy code throughout will not be removed. Always follow the procedure and always have a complete Backup/Restore procedure 1, 2, 3, always ready to go for when (not if) you will need it, for your continued uninterrupted WinMail survival, and pleasant experience.

 

[BridgeHead]

Just a shout out to the well organized reinstallation procedure in this forum. Recently set up a new Windows 10 computer and getting Winmail running was a snap. It took a couple days to copy over the Winmail folder from Appdata from the other computer and a couple hours digging up and changing passwords, but when all was completed, it is running like a champ.