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Solved Help me restore my Venue 8 5830 with no partitions!


turdb0

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The tablet currently doesn't have any partitions, because I deleted it with diskpart. Not sure if I should have done that, but before I deleted them, When I tried using the Win8.1 as well as Win10 Install Images for reinstall, neither of them detected storage when it got to the "(I)nstall" screen. I kept messing with it thinking it was the drivers not injecting into the Win Images. Then I realized that the disk had Bitlocker and I deleted the Partitions. I was going to recreate the partitions but diskpart thinks its a "removable disk" and doesn't allow me to perform certain operations. So...

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At this time, I basically have a disk with no partitions on it, what is the best way to get the tablet back to a state where I can perform the Windows install where it would recognize the storage?

Would one option be to get the "Factory Backup Image" from somewhere and would that recreate all the partitions for me, as well as perform the Win8.1 reinstall? If so, if I were to purchase a used 5830, can I make a "Factory Backup Image" from that one and use that to restore my current one?

At this point, I don't care whether it's Win8.1 or Win10, I just want to get this working again, and then I can go from there! Thanks!
 

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    8.1
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    Dell Venue 8 Pro 5830

turdb0

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As you can see in the images, the EMMC disk is considered "Removable Media", which probably is why Windows Setup won't show as disk drive in the first image. So I think the solution has to be something to do with making the Volumes appear as fixed disks.
 

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KYHI

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#3
Boot from the windows x86 setup media USB - and when you get to the install screen
press SHIFT+F10 to bring up a command prompt

diskpart
select disk 0
clean
convert gpt

close the command prompt windows and continue to run windows setup..

Note: that is a touch tablet, and you will have to add a USB hub in order to run setup and have an input device
 

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    24 GB

turdb0

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Going back to my post #2, I think it's because of the fact that Win Setup sees the EMMC as a "SD Card" and a "Removable Media", then it won't allow you to install Win OS on it.
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    8.1
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    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Dell Venue 8 Pro 5830

turdb0

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Use some software to recover the partitions, got them back? try something like easeus partition master to restore.
I don't think its possible now that I've wiped and formatted and recreated it many times already.
 

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KYHI

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I see two volumes and only 1 partition

A 14 GB USB volume

and a 260 MB Volume / Partition

diskpart
select disk 0
detail disk
 

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turdb0

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Yes, the 14GB is my USB Flashdrive where I booted Window Installation CD. The disk 0 is the 64gb EMMC. The 260mb partition is when I recreated a EFI partition by doing:

diskpart
select disk 0
clean
create partition efi size=260
format quick fs=fat32 label="System"

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I STILL think the problem is with Windows Setup, not being able to install to Removable Disk. From the factory, I'm sure Windows was installed on a Hard drive, then cloned to all these tablets. I wonder if the Dell Recovery USB does the same thing. I just need to obtain a copy of it to test.
 

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    8.1
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    Tablet
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Dell Venue 8 Pro 5830

turdb0

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With All due respect, I've already tried this like 20 times. I've already did the convert gpt. It won't work on a removable media. Please see the error.

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    Dell Venue 8 Pro 5830

KYHI

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Well with all do respect - I have the same Tablet....

And NON-EMPTY means the drive contains information...

And you are showing Windows Setup with the Command Prompt windows over it..

And you have failed to follow along with the advice given..
 

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    Dell XPS 8700
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KYHI

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Also the Venue is a 64Bit Tablet that only supports x86 software in UEFI mode..
Because it has an ATOM processor..

Format the USB fat32
Copy the contents of the windows 8.1 x86 setup media ISO to the USB
Boot from the USB
When you get to the partition screen - delete every partition - allow windows setup to install to the unallocated space..
If you install the correct edition of windows 8.1 - you WILL NOT be asked to enter the product key (as is being shown)

If the Setup Media is not detecting the 64GB drive - then it may be a bad logic board...
 

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  • OS
    Windows 3.1 > Windows 10
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    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Dell XPS 8700
    CPU
    I7
    Memory
    24 GB

turdb0

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Well with all do respect - I have the same Tablet....

And NON-EMPTY means the drive contains information...

And you are showing Windows Setup with the Command Prompt windows over it..

And you have failed to follow along with the advice given..

These are the steps I followed from Use NTLite to add OEM drivers into Windows installation USB disk - Ricky Gao Blog Ricky Gao Blog

1. I Used a Windows 8.1 ISO and created the USB DVD using the Windows USB DVD Download Tool.
2. I injected the drivers using NTLite.
3. Using this USB with the injected drivers, I booted from a USB HUB attached to OTG to the DV8P. I also have a USB Keyboard attached to the USB HUB.
4. Booted into Windows setup, I entered Command Prompt using Shift-F10.
5. diskpart: followed your directions.

It appears that every time I've already created a partition, I cannot create an EFI or MSR. Because I every time I "clean", then start over in diskpart,
I can "create part efi" or "create part msr". But after I create the first partition, I cannot create another part and that's where the "The operation is not supported on a non-empty removable disk." message appears when I try to create any subsequent partitions.
 

My Computer

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  • OS
    8.1
    Computer type
    Tablet
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Dell Venue 8 Pro 5830

turdb0

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Also the Venue is a 64Bit Tablet that only supports x86 software in UEFI mode..
Because it has an ATOM processor..

Format the USB fat32
Copy the contents of the windows 8.1 x86 setup media ISO to the USB
Boot from the USB
When you get to the partition screen - delete every partition - allow windows setup to install to the unallocated space..
If you install the correct edition of windows 8.1 - you WILL NOT be asked to enter the product key (as is being shown)

If the Setup Media is not detecting the 64GB drive - then it may be a bad logic board...
I've also used Rufus to format the USB to GPT EFI FAT32, selected the Windows 8.1 32bit ISO and booted from that. I'll try it again following your instructions.
 

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    8.1
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    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Dell Venue 8 Pro 5830

turdb0

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Here's what I discovered, I can create the first partition just fine. Whether it's EFI or Primary, MSR. The error occurs when I try to create the second partition. Doesn't matter which type of partition, it'll always display the error: The operation is not supported on a non-empty removable disk.
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    Dell Venue 8 Pro 5830

KYHI

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How are you getting into the command prompt ???
Via setup media ??? or what ??

and why are you trying to manually create the partitions ??????????????????????
 

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    Dell XPS 8700
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turdb0

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Command Prompt using Windows Setup Media, and I've used the WinPE bootable disk as well. I thought you wanted me to re-created the partitions in Post #9?
 

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KYHI

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windows setup media will recreate the partitions... all you have to do is delete all the current disk partitions and allow windows setup to use the unallocated disk space
 

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    Dell XPS 8700
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turdb0

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Windows Setup *SHOULD* create the disk partitions, but if you refer to Post #1, first image, it DOESN'T see the storage. Even after injecting drivers using NTLite. Even after downloading an ISO with Injected Drivers from a forum poster because I thought I injected it incorrectly. Even when I downloaded the drivers (3 different versions of OS Deployment drivers for the DV8P) and Browse every single folder for a driver.

Windows Setup DOES NOT SEE THE STORAGE! argh!
 

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  • OS
    8.1
    Computer type
    Tablet
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Dell Venue 8 Pro 5830

KYHI

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but it sees a 58GB drive in post 8
 

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turdb0

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Only in DISKPART, Windows Setup doesn't see it as storage. Which is why I'm asking whether Windows can be installed on a "removable drive" which it thinks the EMMC is.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1
    Computer type
    Tablet
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Dell Venue 8 Pro 5830