Do you want Aero?

TheGrantFitz

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I felt as if aero made me feel cluttered, how do you feel about it?
 

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Aero in its Windows 7 form looks bad. Mainly because the glass stripes look silly and the upper right button targets are too small. Aero in the preview form or in Aero lite glass form is very good. Glass is basically better than silly solid colors in almost every way.
 

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Aero in its Windows 7 form looks bad. Mainly because the glass stripes look silly and the upper right button targets are too small. Aero in the preview form or in Aero lite glass form is very good. Glass is basically better than silly solid colors in almost every way.

They could've balanced it more, like CP and RP.
 

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Aero in its Windows 7 form looks bad. Mainly because the glass stripes look silly and the upper right button targets are too small. Aero in the preview form or in Aero lite glass form is very good. Glass is basically better than silly solid colors in almost every way.
They could've balanced it more, like CP and RP.
As I said, Aero in the previews was very good.
 

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Kat

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Well, personally I like Aero, and on THIS machine any so-called
'performance hit' is non-existent. And I daresay, is largely imaginary
on anything else, too, unless you are still running a 486.

IMO, Aero should be included and enabled by default, and
those that DON'T want it can turn it off themselves.

I've slapped Windows 8 (64-bit Enterprise RTM) into working
the way I want it to, and I do like it, but it is BLOODY painful
to look at.

I run the 32-bit CP on my old laptop, and the visual difference
is really jarring. The CP just looks SO much better.

They got Aero just right in the CP, and should then have left it
the #$@& alone.

Just my opinion.....



**EDIT: - And as soon as Ivo or someone releases a third-party 'fix'
to restore Aero transparency, I'll be one of the first to install it. After
all, it's MY computer, and it's ME who has to look at it all day. So I
jolly-well want it to look the way I (and not MS) want it to look.**
 

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personal preference > (oops - sorry Kat) I don't really need Aero. A clean desktop is OK from time to time but usually a fractal wallpaper changer is helpful. All my links are on the start screen, all apps area or ie jumplists.

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Kat

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All good, mdmd, personal preference and choice is what it's all about, IMO.

I'm still hopping between the Start screen and the Classic-Shell start orb, but am
using the Start screen more now that I have bothered to set it up properly (never
bothered in the CP or RP).
 

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Aero in its Windows 7 form looks bad. Mainly because the glass stripes look silly and the upper right button targets are too small. Aero in the preview form or in Aero lite glass form is very good. Glass is basically better than silly solid colors in almost every way.

That's my opinion in a nutshell.
 

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I'm guessing they removed Aero because it likely requires more GPU resources, and thus may perform worse on a low-powered tablet, and also use more battery power. Yes, it sucks that they removed it for everyone, but then MS likes to keep the look consistent between devices, so their point is probably that it should look the same everywhere.
 

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The removal of Aero was due to the fact it doesn't fit with the metro design, as it is not digitally authentic.

Having said that, I actually find the removal of Aero on the windows to be more cleaner than in 7. The transparent Taskbar kind of keeps that vestige there, although I really like the transparency on the Taskbar, it looks more digitally authentic; no fake rendering or lighting effects. Just transparency. The Desktop that remains looks more like the Longhorn concept than anything. Especially when you have white windows, the feeling of content first over UI first shines. Since I use white windows, I've noticed I don't even glance at the window chrome until I need to close it, as I just manipulate the windows with my Touch Mouse. Theoritcally, white window chrome was supposed to be default along with a light blue Taskbar, but Microsoft went back on that.

I find that a non-Aero Desktop could had been better designed. Using the Office 2013 apps, they could had used that as a design template: move color down to the bottom of the window and have a 1 pixel color outline of the window. Office 2013 looks SO fresh and modern and metro that it's almost a shame that the design wasn't used in Windows. I also think they should had focused on system wide personalization, so a color set would be predominate on both Desktop and Start Screen and possibly for the apps as well. I'm also not OK with the Aero iconography on the Desktop when Office doesn't anymore and nothing else on the UI except for Desktop does. I'm also not too impressed with flattening down some Aero animtions like the loading bar animation. I don't get it, there is a new spinning ball animation and a horizontal loading metro animation but yet those aren't in the Desktop. Overall, if they did TRULY metrofy the Desktop, I bet the complaints of the overall UI that it doesn't feel right would be dissipated.

I'd be ok with transparency as long as it is consistent across the UI. Like for example, transparent colored tiles on a solid background type of thing.

But overall, I'm fine with it, not peeing my pants over it. Although it might take a bit for some people to get used to. I recently installed the RTM on a friend's puter that had the RP, and they noticed there was no Aero on the windows. They were a bit disappointed by that, but they got over it and doesn't seem to be a big deal now.
 

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I'm not a fan of Aero but I'm neutral about it. It doesn't do me anything. Since more options are better than less, I think they should keep Aero for those who like it. But the new Windows 3.1 inspired design is, it's true,... ugly as sin. I want the W7 chrome design back, Period.
 

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I'm neutral, but I had disabled aero on 7 too. It looks, cheesy. MS should've used that RTM "taskbar transparency" on there windows too.
 

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The transparent Taskbar kind of keeps that vestige there, although I really like the transparency on the Taskbar, it looks more digitally authentic; no fake rendering or lighting effects. Just transparency.
I don't see how you can like that design disaster. If any window that holds a lot of content ends up behind the taskbar, the readability of the taskbar items goes down the drain. Well, maybe you like being able to read the text behind the taskbar as well as the text in the taskbar at the same time. There is also nothing fake about blur. Blur is just as digitally real as gradients, rectangles, and solid colors.
 
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The transparent Taskbar kind of keeps that vestige there, although I really like the transparency on the Taskbar, it looks more digitally authentic; no fake rendering or lighting effects. Just transparency.
I don't see how you can like that design disaster. If any window that holds a lot of content ends up behind the taskbar, the readability of the taskbar items goes down the drain. Well, maybe you like being able to read the text behind the taskbar as well as the text in the taskbar at the same time. There is also nothing fake about blur. Blur is just as digitally real as gradients, rectangles, and solid colors.

I prefer Windows 8 over 7 because I like to keep things simple, and have 2 windows open at a time, but I understand what you prefer, but I will use 8 for my primary OS, and testing for almost a year, I'm just in ah.

MS has made there "Modern UI" final, and I will adapt and find ways to customize when I feel as if i need it.
 
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The transparent Taskbar kind of keeps that vestige there, although I really like the transparency on the Taskbar, it looks more digitally authentic; no fake rendering or lighting effects. Just transparency.
I don't see how you can like that design disaster. If any window that holds a lot of content ends up behind the taskbar, the readability of the taskbar items goes down the drain. Well, maybe you like being able to read the text behind the taskbar as well as the text in the taskbar at the same time. There is also nothing fake about blur. Blur is just as digitally real as gradients, rectangles, and solid colors.
I prefer Windows 8 over 7 because I like to keep things simple, and have 2 windows open at a time, but I understand what you prefer, but I will use 8 for my primary OS, and testing for almost a year, I'm just in ah. MS has made there "Modern UI" final, and I will adapt and find ways to customize when I feel as if i need it.
I'm talking about the visual style of the taskbar. I don't believe that Metro/WinRT/fullscreen/whatever is exactly related to the current discussion. Am I misinterpreting what you are trying to say?
 

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I don't see how you can like that design disaster. If any window that holds a lot of content ends up behind the taskbar, the readability of the taskbar items goes down the drain. Well, maybe you like being able to read the text behind the taskbar as well as the text in the taskbar at the same time. There is also nothing fake about blur. Blur is just as digitally real as gradients, rectangles, and solid colors.
I prefer Windows 8 over 7 because I like to keep things simple, and have 2 windows open at a time, but I understand what you prefer, but I will use 8 for my primary OS, and testing for almost a year, I'm just in ah. MS has made there "Modern UI" final, and I will adapt and find ways to customize when I feel as if i need it.
I'm talking about the visual style of the taskbar. I don't believe that Metro/WinRT/fullscreen/whatever is exactly related to the current discussion. Am I misinterpreting what you are trying to say?
You have a fine point, I apologize.
The desktop is what I like to see, but to my eyes, it is dark or bright, but they did remove the cheesy glass. I preferred RP's aero over the blocks, but I'm starting to like it
 

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Kat

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Aero, like Metro should have been OPTIONAL.

And, as I said, as soon as a 3rd-party app to restore it becomes available, I'll be using it.

No-one can seriously sit there and tell me that the RTM looks better than the CP.

Quite the opposite, in fact.

And I don't buy the 'performance hit' argument, either.
 

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The transparent Taskbar kind of keeps that vestige there, although I really like the transparency on the Taskbar, it looks more digitally authentic; no fake rendering or lighting effects. Just transparency.
I don't see how you can like that design disaster. If any window that holds a lot of content ends up behind the taskbar, the readability of the taskbar items goes down the drain. Well, maybe you like being able to read the text behind the taskbar as well as the text in the taskbar at the same time. There is also nothing fake about blur. Blur is just as digitally real as gradients, rectangles, and solid colors.

How can you possibly be reading items on a window when it's behind a 10 pixel taskbar? And why? I'd think you'd have to be clumsy to throw windows around and be a little strange to be trying to read what's on a window, behind a 10 pixel taskbar.
 

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I agree with Kat. Aero and Metro should be optional, so that we may choose whether to use them or not.

GUI on Windows 8 RP was nearly perfect and designers should've just tweak that and leave it functional.
 
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The transparent Taskbar kind of keeps that vestige there, although I really like the transparency on the Taskbar, it looks more digitally authentic; no fake rendering or lighting effects. Just transparency.
I don't see how you can like that design disaster. If any window that holds a lot of content ends up behind the taskbar, the readability of the taskbar items goes down the drain. Well, maybe you like being able to read the text behind the taskbar as well as the text in the taskbar at the same time. There is also nothing fake about blur. Blur is just as digitally real as gradients, rectangles, and solid colors.
How can you possibly be reading items on a window when it's behind a 10 pixel taskbar? And why? I'd think you'd have to be clumsy to throw windows around and be a little strange to be trying to read what's on a window, behind a 10 pixel taskbar.
That was sarcasm. I like to have my windows to have light on dark test. When a window goes beneath the fully transparent taskbar, the readability of the text and icons that are on the taskbar is reduced. On the original blurred taskbar, the content beneath the taskbar would blur, so it would not interfere with the actual taskbar content.
 

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