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Solved Deleted files don't go to recycle bin in one of the drives


Zivanias

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#1
After seeing a couple files permanently delete at unseasonable moments, I now at least enabled deletion confirmation messages. The bug is with the HDD I use for storage, the SSD hosting the OS works according to the recycle bin settings. I tried the classic subterfuge of switching these settings back and forth for both drives, without success though. This is a new installation of 8.1 Pro for me and I think making deletion without confirmation the default behavior was bad move.
 

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Was the allocated space perhaps not enough?

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I think making deletion without confirmation the default behavior was bad move.
Absolutely a terrible decision.
 

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Zivanias

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Was the allocated space perhaps not enough?
That's not the case, and even if it were then there ought to be a warning message.
 

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Hi there

Stuff stays in the recycle bin until you EMPTY IT - so a right mouse click on the contents has a RESTORE feature. You will get a warning if the item(s) you want to delete are too big to go into the recycle bin before they are deleted.

I'm quite happy with the way it works -- there's enough Nag warnings already on a lot of applications. If you lose an item just go to explore contents (double cluck on the Recycle bin item), navigate to the item(s) you want and then choose RESTORE.

Only if one is imbecilic enough to delete items without using the re-cycle bin will you lose items immediately.

(Note though deleting items from Networked drives doesn't involve the use of the recycle bin in any case).

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Zivanias

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I'm quite happy with the way it works -- there's enough Nag warnings already on a lot of applications. If you lose an item just go to explore contents (double cluck on the Recycle bin item), navigate to the item(s) you want and then choose RESTORE.

Only if one is imbecilic enough to delete items without using the re-cycle bin will you lose items immediately.
You make it appear as though keeping 100% precise account of every deletion operation/item in a modern PC environment is something anyone can easily manage, which is not the reality. Any serious computer user thesedays is overwhelmed by archival upkeep, there is barely any room to allow accidental deletions -triggered by many lighthearted but hardly imbecilic things, like a frolicing spouse/toddler- add any more complexity to it. Also, I don't know about your personal neuromuscular control but there are quite alot of people who have low dexterity and are habitual badkeystrokers, like myself. I don't see how getting rid of a rudimentary fail-safe deletion warning message, for those unsuspecting people, will pay off in the form of such a productivity gain on cyber masters like you to make it worthy. Really, how much trouble is it for the few people who don't need these confirmation dialogues to right click the recycle bin and change the setting?

Finally, what about...BUGS...like the one I describe here?
 

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I turned that stupid thing off long time ago but still because of old habit I press Shift so it gets deleted immediately. Like Jimbo said, there's enough of warnings and popups to fray many a nerve. If I don't know what I'm doing, I better not do it at all. Some things can cut your fingers or worse off, here you might just temporally loose a file.
 

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Zivanias

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Some things can cut your fingers or worse off, here you might just temporally loose a file.
It certainly isn't temporary in my case, but why increasing the difficulty of the process of reviewing recycle bin items, before permanent purge, be a positive trend for the general computing population in the first place?
 

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Zivanias

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UPDATE on the situation:

It appears there was a faulty memory problem at play here which caused blue screens and general instability. It also caused some nasty drive lock ups which prevented Windows repair (and Linux accessing the drives at all). I managed to remedy those in the SSD, but somehow they have affected the HDD's file system/partition/mounting *shrugs* in such a profound way that, a few clean OS installations later, there is still this problem. I am back to Windows 8 now, yet the bug persists! :confused:

During my frustrated attempts to unlock the locked drives, I noticed there was a 129MB partition in the front portion of the 4TB HDD, which I thought wasn't important so I deleted it hoping that would get me out of the impasse. Later I tried creating a new partition in this unallocated space, but that didn't solve anything. I also had a couple instances of files corrupted/blanked, however, every drive check I have performed (both Win buil-in and proprietary) after removing the faulty memory module and clean installing Win 8 (even under a different hardware platform) has turned out clean.


Currently waiting to buy a new HDD to back up my archive and then see if a format of the old one will be the end of my agony. I hope the copy operation doesn't mess the new drive as well...
 
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Zivanias

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-SOLVED-

New hard disk allowed me to backup my archives and do a format on the old one. What utter failure on behalf of Windows' disk checking/management system this little ordeal was!
 

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That seems to be the only reliable fix for this drive locked problem. What a pita.
 

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