• This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn more.

CES 2013: Industry Source -- More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusia


DooRules

Member
Member
Posts
181
#1
DailyTech - CES 2013: Industry Source -- More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8


"But the numbers are troubling. Despite Microsoft playing
an interesting licensing sales gameselling a deluge of licenses to OEMs at a rate that would indicate Windows 8 to be outselling Windows 7, the usage numbers indicate that OEMs are only moving a fraction of those licenses. Windows 8 is only drawing around a tenth of the internet traffic Windows 7 did at a similar point in the adoption cycle; in fact Windows 8 trails Windows Vista in internet traffic."

one tenth the internet traffic of w7 sure stands out
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    W7

jimbo45

New Member
VIP Member
Guru
Hafnarfjörður IS

Posts
4,373
#2
DailyTech - CES 2013: Industry Source -- More Than 3 Out of 4 Enthusiasts Reject Windows 8


"But the numbers are troubling. Despite Microsoft playing
an interesting licensing sales gameselling a deluge of licenses to OEMs at a rate that would indicate Windows 8 to be outselling Windows 7, the usage numbers indicate that OEMs are only moving a fraction of those licenses. Windows 8 is only drawing around a tenth of the internet traffic Windows 7 did at a similar point in the adoption cycle; in fact Windows 8 trails Windows Vista in internet traffic."

one tenth the internet traffic of w7 sure stands out
Hi Doorules

One really needs to understand what these Statistics are really telling you.

When W7 came out things like smartphones were relatively new and for Internet, Chat, email, etc one ALWAYS used a laptop or desktop computer.

Now we use a variety of devices -- sometimes people can go for WEEKS without going near a PC. Their phones provide all the communication they need.

Not only that recent hardware is so much more powerful and reliable that it doesn't need upgrading or changing very often anymore -- and todays economic situation makes people really THINK if they NEED to upgrade before buying a new PC.

This of course alters the whole base line on which data should be presented. - For all GOOD reasons the numbers of PC's being sold today is falling and will continue to fall --although PC's for the foreseeable future won't be obsolete.

As a consequence any measure of W8 sales compared with W7 sales is totally inaccurate -- and also mis-leading.

W8 will make its numbers up in mobile devices (not recorded as separate Windows sales) so you can forget the PC count compared with W7.

Most "normal" casual users I've met actually quite like Windows 8 -- so it's not an inherent problem with Windows 8 itself.
These sort of users don't go to CES or hang around on Windows forums . The people who seem to hate W8 the most in my experience are power users or I.T service guys. The "Casual" user quite likes it from my own personal experiences.

Corporations also are just basically starting to get rid of XP by switching to W7 --no way will they do another major conversion any time soon either. W8 was too new for any of these large companies to switch to whereas W7 had been out for a few years and had proved is track record in stability.

There are too many Doom sayers it appears to me on this Forum -- OK if you really BELIEVE Ms is doomed to join those other great "Corporations in the Sky" but PLEASE BASE IT ON SENSIBLE AND VALID DATA.

Some of the analysis I've seen on these forums (both W8 and W7) is about as meaningful as appliying complex statistical formula to a set of data just containing ONE observation !!. :dinesh:

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 X LG 40 inch TV
    Hard Drives
    SSD's * 3 (Samsung 840 series) 250 GB
    2 X 3 TB sata
    5 X 1 TB sata
    Internet Speed
    0.12 GB/s (120Mb/s)

DooRules

Member
Member
Posts
181
#3
Most if not all "normal" users I know will not go near it. Tried to get some of my clan members to give it a go, not a single one even wants to try it. I can see trying it and then deciding you do not like it but it is a challenge just to get beyond word of mouth now.

I would think that the metric given, internet traffic would be easily measured no matter the device. So under your assumptions the traffic should be vastly more because of all the mobile devices in place now. But that apparently isn't the case.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    W7

jimbo45

New Member
VIP Member
Guru
Hafnarfjörður IS

Posts
4,373
#4
Most if not all "normal" users I know will not go near it. Tried to get some of my clan members to give it a go, not a single one even wants to try it. I can see trying it and then deciding you do not like it but it is a challenge just to get beyond word of mouth now.

I would think that the metric given, internet traffic would be easily measured no matter the device. So under your assumptions the traffic should be vastly more because of all the mobile devices in place now. But that apparently isn't the case.
Hi there
Mobile users are on a whole slew of connections --Android, Windows, Apple -- to say nothing of actual mobile phone connections so it's not easy or even valid to measure "Internet traffic" based on pure Wi-Fi connections of the phone. Also a lot of these might be in places like Bars with free Wi-Fi or public Wi-Fi providers offering a Wi-Fi by subscription service.

Most of the current "Windows" phones won't record this as Windows 8 traffic --these are older "Windows Mobile" phones based on W7.
The newer windows phones coming on stream will alter this eventually.

Also when you use something like B.T FON it acts basically as a Proxy and statistics saying what browser / what O/S etc are often masked so the actual stats are also totally misleading.

I'll bet even on your home computer you can tell it to transmit a different browser name or even OS identifier to any site you log on to --also invalidating the collection statistics.

Some W7 drivers can be made to work on W8 by simply "poodlefaking" the check on what version of the OS you are running. - so it's easy to hide / change the apparent OS you appear to be using when logged on to the Internet in any case.

I have to say that my experience seems to indicate that people I know LIKE windows 8 -- your circle of colleagues obviously are different from mine so I can't comment on that.

I will however re-iterate that "normal users" aren't the sort of people who go to events like CES and it seems that I.T people and power users are less pleased with W8 than the vast majority of "typical Mum and Pop" type users.

Note --you need to SHOW them a working W8 computer and let them play with it a bit -- no good telling them to TRY it first on their own machines

--just look how difficult it is to get people to CHANGE Bank accounts, Car insurance companies or even Energy suppliers - when with a simple mouse click they can save often up to several hundred EUR / GBP / AUS / USD etc. a year. You need to actually hand them a working W8 machine for them SEE it and "have a Go" with it.

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 X LG 40 inch TV
    Hard Drives
    SSD's * 3 (Samsung 840 series) 250 GB
    2 X 3 TB sata
    5 X 1 TB sata
    Internet Speed
    0.12 GB/s (120Mb/s)

Coke Robot

New Member
Pro User
Gold Member
Posts
5,707
#5
I don't know about the validity of that statistic...

Windows 8 is currently being adopted by Steam gamers has is going to surpass vista usage next month. I'd consider gamers "enthusiasts." IT people on the other hand.....
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD FX 8320
    Motherboard
    Crosshair V Formula-Z
    Memory
    16 gig DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS R9 270
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014

pparks1

New Member
VIP Member
Guru
Westland, MI

Posts
3,658
#6
Among my circle of friends, coworkers and family...it's more like 3.95 out of 4 are rejecting 8.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Self-Built in July 2009
    CPU
    Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS
    Memory
    8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Acer x233H
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
    Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS
    PSU
    Corsair 620HX modular
    Case
    Antec P182
    Cooling
    stock
    Keyboard
    ABS M1 Mechanical
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Internet Speed
    15/2 cable modem
    Other Info
    Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset.

rmeigs

New Member
Member
Oregon

Posts
214
#7
I would think that the metric given, internet traffic would be easily measured no matter the device.
I think the point jimbo45 was making is that when Win7 was introduced, most people accessed the Internet using a Windows or Apple OS based desktop or laptop. That is not the case at all today. For example, more than half my Internet actively is from my Android based Nexus 7. Only the remaining is from my Windows 8 system.

So when someone says that "windows 8 is only drawing around a tenth of the internet traffic Windows 7 did at a similar point in the adoption cycle," they aren't taking into account the changed environment. Therefore it is an invalid comparison.

Now what I'm not attempting to argue is that Windows 8 is a great success, but that the Internet traffic stats between Win7 and Win8 aren't a good way to make the point.
 
Last edited:

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8 Pro w/Media Center, Windows RT

R0bR

New Member
Member
Posts
534
#8
So when someone says that "windows 8 is only drawing around a tenth of the internet traffic Windows 7 did at a similar point in the adoption cycle," they aren't taking into account the changed environment. Therefore it is an invalid comparison.
That's the problem with all these tech bloggers or the so called experts, they don't take into account that the environment has changed. The popular one that surfaces all the time is 'PC sales still dropping despite Windows 8', which is rather obvious given how things have changed. Consumers are no longer buying new PC's just to get on the internet, use email and consume data, there are better devices for that. Yet they love report that so they can slam MS. You never hear 'Mac OSX still only 6% of world OS population even after 12 years', I would think that to be a major failure...but Apple can do no wrong.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7, Windows 8 RP

Mystere

Power User
VIP Member
Power User
Posts
1,925
#9
Among my circle of friends, coworkers and family...it's more like 3.95 out of 4 are rejecting 8.
Yes, of course they do. And I'm sure that has NOTHING to do with you telling them how much it sucks all the time... nah.. i'm sure that has nothing to do with it.

Our friends and family look to us for our opinions on technology, and how we present it to them greatly affects how they perceive it. This was, at least in part, some of the reason for Vista's problems. Techies decided they didn't like it, and they told everyone they could how terrible it was. This was evidenced by the Project Mojave experiment.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    CPU
    Intel i7 3770K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Z77X-UD4 TH
    Memory
    16GB DDR3 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    nVidia GTX 650
    Sound Card
    Onboard Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Auria 27" IPS + 2x Samsung 23"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440 + 2x 2048x1152
    Hard Drives
    Corsair m4 256GB, 2 WD 2TB drives
    Case
    Antec SOLO II
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000
    Mouse
    Logitech MX

Coke Robot

New Member
Pro User
Gold Member
Posts
5,707
#10
The only opinion that has depth to me is the opinion of the common consumer of technology. That's who REALLY is at the center of the debate. From my personal experience, that is outweighing what any "expert" has to say about Windows 8 as everyone that I've rolled it out on to is satisfied with it.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD FX 8320
    Motherboard
    Crosshair V Formula-Z
    Memory
    16 gig DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS R9 270
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014

Mystere

Power User
VIP Member
Power User
Posts
1,925
#11
The only opinion that has depth to me is the opinion of the common consumer of technology. That's who REALLY is at the center of the debate. From my personal experience, that is outweighing what any "expert" has to say about Windows 8 as everyone that I've rolled it out on to is satisfied with it.
And that backs up what I was saying. Your positive opinion on it is reflected by those you present it to.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    CPU
    Intel i7 3770K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Z77X-UD4 TH
    Memory
    16GB DDR3 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    nVidia GTX 650
    Sound Card
    Onboard Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Auria 27" IPS + 2x Samsung 23"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440 + 2x 2048x1152
    Hard Drives
    Corsair m4 256GB, 2 WD 2TB drives
    Case
    Antec SOLO II
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000
    Mouse
    Logitech MX

Coke Robot

New Member
Pro User
Gold Member
Posts
5,707
#12
The only opinion that has depth to me is the opinion of the common consumer of technology. That's who REALLY is at the center of the debate. From my personal experience, that is outweighing what any "expert" has to say about Windows 8 as everyone that I've rolled it out on to is satisfied with it.
And that backs up what I was saying. Your positive opinion on it is reflected by those you present it to.
Not really, I just show the person how to use the new UI, how to close the full screen apps, what the Charms do, what PC Settings is used for, how to pin and unpin, and keep hitting on the fact that they need to either right click or use the Setting Charm. Purely a mundane tutorial of the features. I rarely make a big deal about where I'm like a salesperson on an infomercial screaming enthusiasm and saying if they don't like Windows 8, they can never contact me ever again with anything technical and/or I'll mess up their PC somehow.

It's getting mundane for me to show how to use Windows 8 over and over, just like it is to explain to people here that are having difficulties with it. People are just more wowed by the new features of Windows 8, namely picture password. That trips mostly everyone I've shown it to. Just the whole newness aspect of Windows with the Start Screen, the feature set, and just doing old things like password logins into something new like a picture password is probably why I think most people like it. OH! And the fast shutdowns and startups, people REALLY enjoy that.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD FX 8320
    Motherboard
    Crosshair V Formula-Z
    Memory
    16 gig DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS R9 270
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014

SIW2

Well-Known Member
Team Member
Posts
5,360
#13
It's not straightforward to draw comparisons.

There are many factors.

You might say Ferrari have only a tiny percentage of the car market. That is because they don't operate in the entire car market. They operate in a small sector of it.

Same with macbooks. They do well in their sector - but were down a bit over 5% in the xmas buying season.

Windows pc sales were down about double that. A good proportion of the sales that were made would have been win7 machines.

Apple had great xmas for their pads/phones.

Does that mean folk are trading their windows pc's for ipads?

Not necessarily. They may be hanging on to their pc's and buying an ipad as well.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop

Mystere

Power User
VIP Member
Power User
Posts
1,925
#14
Not really, I just show the person how to use the new UI, how to close the full screen apps, what the Charms do, what PC Settings is used for, how to pin and unpin, and keep hitting on the fact that they need to either right click or use the Setting Charm. Purely a mundane tutorial of the features. I rarely make a big deal about where I'm like a salesperson on an infomercial screaming enthusiasm and saying if they don't like Windows 8, they can never contact me ever again with anything technical and/or I'll mess up their PC somehow.
I'm not saying you gush about how wonderful it is, only that you are not telling them how terrible it is.. and showing them how to use it. You are being proactive, and simply showing them how to use the tool and make their own decisions, rather than trying to force an opinion on them. By giving them the information they need to properly use it, you allow them to judge it based on the merits of the product, not their unfamiliarity with it.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    CPU
    Intel i7 3770K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Z77X-UD4 TH
    Memory
    16GB DDR3 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    nVidia GTX 650
    Sound Card
    Onboard Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Auria 27" IPS + 2x Samsung 23"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440 + 2x 2048x1152
    Hard Drives
    Corsair m4 256GB, 2 WD 2TB drives
    Case
    Antec SOLO II
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000
    Mouse
    Logitech MX

pparks1

New Member
VIP Member
Guru
Westland, MI

Posts
3,658
#15
Yes, of course they do. And I'm sure that has NOTHING to do with you telling them how much it sucks all the time... nah.. i'm sure that has nothing to do with it.
Well, as far as coworkers go, I work for a software company. People are pretty technically savvy. They came by and looked at my test box, and played with it for a bit. I presented both pros and cons (as I saw them).

With respect to my family, nobody has really said much about Windows 8 or expressed any real interest. My dad saw a laptop I had at home once, and I logged in and let him play.....I showed him how to do a few things that he couldn't figure out on his own...(like getting out of a metro app) and getting back to the start page from the desktop. He frankly said, "yeah, I think I'll just stick to what I have".

Our friends and family look to us for our opinions on technology, and how we present it to them greatly affects how they perceive it. This was, at least in part, some of the reason for Vista's problems. Techies decided they didn't like it, and they told everyone they could how terrible it was. This was evidenced by the Project Mojave experiment.
As far as Vista goes...when it first released it was terrible. Slow as molasses, hardware requirements were far higher than they originally stated, etc. It came around and was fine after SP1....but don't be delusioned that it was just fine out of the gate. Third party driver support wasn't there, software wasn't ready for it, but mostly it was hardware that wasn't ready.

On the right hardware, Vista was ok. On most peoples hardware, it was a trainweck. But like I said, over time and after SP1, it was much better.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Self-Built in July 2009
    CPU
    Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS
    Memory
    8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Acer x233H
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
    Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS
    PSU
    Corsair 620HX modular
    Case
    Antec P182
    Cooling
    stock
    Keyboard
    ABS M1 Mechanical
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Internet Speed
    15/2 cable modem
    Other Info
    Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset.

pparks1

New Member
VIP Member
Guru
Westland, MI

Posts
3,658
#16
People are just more wowed by the new features of Windows 8, namely picture password. That trips mostly everyone I've shown it to.
To me, things like this just don't blow me away. From a security perspective, I think having a picture password is a terrible idea. So easy for somebody standing over your shoulder to gain access to your computer.

OH! And the fast shutdowns and startups, people REALLY enjoy that.
As far as I am concerned, that is the best feature and the one people actually do like the most. Waiting for their computer to boot is just a thing of the past.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Self-Built in July 2009
    CPU
    Intel Q9550 2.83Ghz OC'd to 3.40Ghz
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R rev. 1.1, F12 BIOS
    Memory
    8GB G.Skill PI DDR2-800, 4-4-4-12 timings
    Graphics Card(s)
    EVGA 1280MB Nvidia GeForce GTX570
    Sound Card
    Realtek ALC899A 8 channel onboard audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    23" Acer x233H
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    Intel X25-M 80GB Gen 2 SSD
    Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black, 32MB cache. WD1001FALS
    PSU
    Corsair 620HX modular
    Case
    Antec P182
    Cooling
    stock
    Keyboard
    ABS M1 Mechanical
    Mouse
    Logitech G9 Laser Mouse
    Internet Speed
    15/2 cable modem
    Other Info
    Windows and Linux enthusiast. Logitech G35 Headset.

Mystere

Power User
VIP Member
Power User
Posts
1,925
#17
With respect to my family, nobody has really said much about Windows 8 or expressed any real interest.
Then why did you include friends and family in your list of people that expressed negative opinions?

Why are you changing your story?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    CPU
    Intel i7 3770K
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte Z77X-UD4 TH
    Memory
    16GB DDR3 1600
    Graphics Card(s)
    nVidia GTX 650
    Sound Card
    Onboard Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Auria 27" IPS + 2x Samsung 23"
    Screen Resolution
    2560x1440 + 2x 2048x1152
    Hard Drives
    Corsair m4 256GB, 2 WD 2TB drives
    Case
    Antec SOLO II
    Keyboard
    Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000
    Mouse
    Logitech MX

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 1)