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Solved Can't access disk drives over LAN, user is admin


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#1
Hello!

I have this problem since Windows 7, i don't remember this happens on Windows XP.

I have 2 computers with Windows 8.1 installed: desktop and laptop. I am trying to access local disk drives of "desktop" from "laptop".

For example, i type in Windows Explorer "\\desktop\c$". "Windows Security" window pops up where i am typing credentials. If i specify "desktop\administrator" user and then provide correct password everything is fine, i can access disk C. But, if i type "desktop\john" and provide correct password i am getting error "Access denied". "john" is my main account, it's in "Administrators" group of "DESKTOP" computer.

If i try to access the same resource over "cmd net use" i receive error "System error 5 has occurred. Access is denied."

Why "john" can't access "DESKTOP"'s disk C over LAN?
 

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    Windows 8.1

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#2
The users in Administrative Group aren't the real administrators. See the tutorial:
http://www.eightforums.com/tutorial...rator-account-enable-disable-windows-8-a.html

In Vista and later the user the system sets up as a member of Administrator's Group is roughly equivalent to the old Operator's Group in NT 4. It can register/unregister ActiveX, install and remove software, but it cannot delete system files etc..
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.0 x64
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Toshiba Satelite C55D-A Laptop
    CPU
    AMD EI 1200
    Memory
    4 gb DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Raedon 340 MB dedicated Ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Built in
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    640 GB (spinner) Sata II
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Touch pad

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#4
I would try the Tutorial where it shows how to turn on the Administrator account. See if you can access from there.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.0 x64
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Toshiba Satelite C55D-A Laptop
    CPU
    AMD EI 1200
    Memory
    4 gb DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Raedon 340 MB dedicated Ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Built in
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    640 GB (spinner) Sata II
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Touch pad

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My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.0 x64
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Toshiba Satelite C55D-A Laptop
    CPU
    AMD EI 1200
    Memory
    4 gb DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Raedon 340 MB dedicated Ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Built in
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    640 GB (spinner) Sata II
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Touch pad

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#7
It should MilesAhead. Not much was changed between the two OS versions, when it comes to networking.
 

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  • OS
    Linux Mint 17.2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Toshiba Satellite C850D-st3nx1
    CPU
    AMD E1-1200 APU with Radeon (tm) HD Graphics 1.40 GHZ
    Memory
    12GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon™ HD 7310 Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LCD
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    Crucial M500 240GB SSD
    Mouse
    Logitech M525
    Internet Speed
    45/6 - ATT U-Verse
    Browser
    Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    None needed. It is Linux.
    Other Info
    Arris NVG589 Gateway; Router - Cisco RV320; Switch - Netgear GS108 8-Port Switch & Trendnet TEG-S50g 5-Port Switch; Access Points - Engenius ECB350, Trendnet TEW-638APB; NAS - Lenovo ix2-4; Printer - Brother HL-2280DW; Air Print Server - Lantronix XPrintServer

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#8
Even sharing disk doesn't help.

I checked event log under "Security" folder.

- when "desktop\administrator" connects there is event "An account was successfully logged on." with ID 4624.
- when "desktop\john" connects there are 2 events: the first one is "An account was successfully logged on." with ID 4624 and the second is "An account was logged off." with ID 4634. Second event occurs immediately after the first one, so "john" logged on, and then logged off immediately.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1
#9
It's strange how lately even the correct answer still ends up not working.

I believe from the error messages that either the user profiles or the entire machine is pretty messed up if using the standard procedure for drive sharing isn't working. Trying to undo these messed up systems is near impossible from my point of view because we have no idea which settings were tampered with to begin with.

Misconceptions on how sharing works is pretty much ruining any useful advice we could ever hope to administer.

In fact once the drives are shared via the sharing and security tab there is no need to type any \\computername\$ nonsense at all just click on the drive and access either the Users folder or the entire C drive depending on if you shared from the root of the drive or the Users folder.
 

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System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro WMC
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Home built
    CPU
    Q9650 @ 4.05 GHz
    Motherboard
    Gforce 780i SLI FTW
    Memory
    8GB Gskill DDR2 1200Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    GTX-480
    Sound Card
    Asus D2 Xonar
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HannsG
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    Gskill 120GB SSD
    PSU
    Thermal Take 1000watts
    Case
    Thermal Take Xtreme
    Cooling
    9 fans air cooled
    Keyboard
    G15 logitech
    Mouse
    G9 logitech
    Internet Speed
    50mbps

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#10
Mixing and matching Windows flavors doesn't make it any easier. I had a couple of desktop machines with USB 3.0 cards and USB 3.0 Docking Stations. Initially I shared the entire drive(internal SataII and III drives stuck in the docks.) One desktop ran Vista. The other dual booted W7/XP. After awhile it was just easier to make a top level folder, move all folders into it, and share that folder. It cut out the glitches from changing drives between OSs, machines, and docks. Most of them anyway.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.0 x64
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Toshiba Satelite C55D-A Laptop
    CPU
    AMD EI 1200
    Memory
    4 gb DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Raedon 340 MB dedicated Ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Built in
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    640 GB (spinner) Sata II
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Touch pad

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#11
Even worse is throwing in a Linux workstation. That is for another topic. I have found making the older OS machines as clients in the Workgroup, and using the newer OS units as serving any shares or devices.

I just went with a Lenovo ix2-4 NAS and HP Officejet 4500 wifi printer. Got tired of doing folder shares between a mixed environment.

I have found that with SMB, that if you change the Workgroup name from "Workgroup", for some reason Windows develops Amnesia, and cannot figure out how to find machines on the network.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Linux Mint 17.2
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Toshiba Satellite C850D-st3nx1
    CPU
    AMD E1-1200 APU with Radeon (tm) HD Graphics 1.40 GHZ
    Memory
    12GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon™ HD 7310 Graphics
    Sound Card
    Realtek HD
    Monitor(s) Displays
    LCD
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    Crucial M500 240GB SSD
    Mouse
    Logitech M525
    Internet Speed
    45/6 - ATT U-Verse
    Browser
    Google Chrome
    Antivirus
    None needed. It is Linux.
    Other Info
    Arris NVG589 Gateway; Router - Cisco RV320; Switch - Netgear GS108 8-Port Switch & Trendnet TEG-S50g 5-Port Switch; Access Points - Engenius ECB350, Trendnet TEW-638APB; NAS - Lenovo ix2-4; Printer - Brother HL-2280DW; Air Print Server - Lantronix XPrintServer

    A/V UPS - Tripp-Lite Smart 1500LCD 1500 Va/900 W.

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#12
I haven't run Linux in some time. But I had the best luck just running the Samba command line tool to copy/move whatever. Trying to do the Gui drag and drop was more hassle than it was worth. One of these days when I have workbenches set up with plenty of machines I'll get back into the Linux thing.. just to see what's what with some of the new distros.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.0 x64
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Toshiba Satelite C55D-A Laptop
    CPU
    AMD EI 1200
    Memory
    4 gb DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Raedon 340 MB dedicated Ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Built in
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    640 GB (spinner) Sata II
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Touch pad
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#13
Ok, I tried it one more time and I think it worked. But not the way as I expected.


First I shared disk C. Then I logged onto "LAPTOP" under "mike" account. I opened Windows Explorer and tried \\desktop\C. It didn't work.


Then I opened cmd and run "net use * /delete".
Next, "net use \\desktop\C /user:john johnpassword".
After that I tried \\desktop\C in Windows Explorer and it worked!


One last thing: why didn't Windows Explorer ask me credentials first time?
 

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  • OS
    Windows 8.1

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#14
Glad you got it to work. I dunno' why Explorer acts the way it does. I know it does keep a cache of recently connected drives. I seem to remember that certain API calls would return true information about if a network drive/folder/file exists and some would return info from the cache. I can't remember the details. Just that checking for the existence of a file doesn't always work as expected if it's a remote drive. Lots of strange things go on in Explorer. :)
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.0 x64
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Toshiba Satelite C55D-A Laptop
    CPU
    AMD EI 1200
    Memory
    4 gb DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    Raedon 340 MB dedicated Ram
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Built in
    Screen Resolution
    1366 x 768
    Hard Drives
    640 GB (spinner) Sata II
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    Touch pad