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BitLocker - Turn On or Off for OS Drive in Windows 8


DavidY

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#21
I think I understand it now.

I believe Pervasive Device Encryption will bring disk encryption to all editions of Windows, including 8.1, but you need to have certain hardware features that Microsoft calls "InstantGo".

These will presumably appear on computers which are manufactured with Windows 8.1, but I'm guessing won't be so common on many computers around today which are being upgraded from earlier versions of Windows.

So my old laptops won't run it, regardless of which edition I'm running.

From here:
Windows 8.1 FAQ - Apps, Security, Virtualization, UEFI | TechNet
What's new in device encryption?

Device Encryption, which is based on BitLocker technology and is currently included in Windows RT and Windows Phone 8, will be added to all editions of Windows 8.1. If the device is certified for InstantGo, this capability is available and automatically implemented on the device.
 

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Hello David,

That's correct. While all Windows 8.1 editions will support this, only PCs that meet certain hardware requirements will actually have Device Encryption.

Connected Standby or InstantGo, is where Windows can be turned on and off instantly like a smartphone. Pretty neat stuff.
 

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Upgrade of Windows 8 and BitLocker

Hello Brink!

Is upgrade of Windows 8 (64-bit) (English-US) to Windows 8.1 (64-bit) (English-US) possible when system partition is encrypted with BitLocker?

Thank you for your response in advance.
 

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Hello Chistianus, and welcome to Eight Forums.

Sorry, but no. You would need to decrypt your OS drive first. Afterwards, you could decrypt it again if you like. :)
 

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HI Brink but i don't see any details on my windows 8 pro of this Pervasive Device Encryption? how would i tell if its on??
 

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HI Brink but i don't see any details on my windows 8 pro of this Pervasive Device Encryption? how would i tell if its on??
Hey Tony,

It would have to be a certified Windows 8.1 connected standby (instant on/off) device to have the Pervasive Device Encryption feature.
 

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How do i tell if i have this ?? mine is Alienware x51 first revision?
 

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There's the rub. It's a new feature that I haven't been able to see in person yet. The only way that I would think of is if the PC was able to be instantly turned on or off with no load time like a smartphone, and that it should be listed as a feature of the PC if it was able to do so.

I would have to say that your PC doesn't support it. This would be more of a feature of a portable PC instead.
 

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yeah i would have to agree as mine boots fast but not instant on lol that would be nice :)
 

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So should i encrypt my drive i have yet to do so but i was curious if i should do this, and what is best way to do they key USB or just type a password all the time?
 

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So should i encrypt my drive i have yet to do so but i was curious if i should do this, and what is best way to do they key USB or just type a password all the time?
It's up to you if you feel that you need the extra access security it provides. I like using a USB flash drive, but the password option is good as well.

If you decide to do so, be sure that you back up the BitLocker recovery key and startup key. If you get locked out of the drive by BitLocker and do not have these keys, you'll be completely out of luck on trying to access the drive again.

http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/21818-bitlocker-recovery-key-back-up-windows-8-a.html
 

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bitlocker on yoga 2 pro

i want to encrypt my yoga 2 pro [y2p] system running 8.1.

i tried to boot a kali linux thumbdrive on it to see if the y2p could boot from it. i discovered it would not boot from the thumbdrive by default; I had to make an /EFI/Boot folder on the thumbdrive and add some files to it (https://forums.kali.org/showthread.php?271-How-to-EFI-install-Kali-Linux) for the Y2P system to be able to see and try to boot from the USB thumbdrive.

this has me worried about trying to use bitlocker on the Y2P; worried it wont be able to use the thumbdrive to unlock the encrypted drive because bitlocker doesn't support EFI systems? (Windows BitLocker Drive Encryption Frequently Asked Questions).

i'm terrified of trying to enable bitlocker on this thing.

btw - im not insistent on using a usb key for bitlocker; i'd actually prefer to use a passphrase.

doesn't seem like Y2P has a TPM chip (https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Idea-Windows-based-Tablets-and/Yoga-2-TPM-chip/td-p/1298457).

another related link: ***Yoga 2 Pro Owners Thread*** - Page 75

and another: bitlocker - Lenovo Community

i feel like this is way too difficult or i am missing something simple here.

what should i do? any advice?

thanks in advance all!
 

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Hello Devios, and welcome to Eight Forums.

The Microsoft article you referenced for BitLocker was for Vista instead. The BitLocker in Windows 8 and 8.1 will work just fine with UEFI, so no worries there.

You should have no issue using either a passphrase or USB, but I would recommend to keep a backup copy of the BitLocker startup and recovery key in a safe location should something happen to the USB or you forget the passphrase, and easier if you should ever need to recover the drive.

It does seem difficult, but it's really not once you give it a try and get used to it. Once you do, it almost no different then signing in to Windows, but just more securely.

Encrypting with BitLocker will either be successful or fail, but you shouldn't have any issues while doing the steps exactly in the tutorial. If it fails, then no harm no foul since nothing would have changed.

Please feel free to ask any questions you may have. :)
 

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thanks brink - i couldn't seem to find any link where microsoft (or anyone else) states bitlocker works fine/easily/completely on 8.1 UEFI systems without a TPM chip. do you have any such link(s)?

either way, i'll give it a shot when my new usb thumbdrives arrive and let forum know how it goes.
 

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That documentation example isn't super clear. Where do they find the monkeys that write and edit the MS documentation?!

For the record, happy to report that after making the policy change to allow bitlocker on a machine without a TPM chip, I was able to encrypt my C:\ (system) drive using BitLocker, and was allowed to chose to use a passphrase or USB key to unlock on boot. I chose password, and it's working great on my Y2P.

Thank you again for the help and information!
 

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You're most welcome Devios. I'm happy to hear that all went well.

Yeah, some of those documents can be a bit cryptic at times. Pun intended. :p
 

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Hello to everyone,

I want to know ... Will this work if I have installed TPM chip in the laptop but if I want to encrypt the OS drive without using the TPM chip ? ( to check "Allow Bitlocker without a compatible TPM" ) The laptop is with Windows 8.1 and I don't want to manage ( administrate ) the TPM chip :)
 

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Hello Stilcho,

I don't have a TPM to test with, but you could give it a try to see if you may be able to select not to use the TPM.

If not, then you may need to either disable or remove the TPM chip if able first to be able to use OPTION ONE to use BitLocker without the TPM.
 
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Tutorial has been updated to include options to use BitLocker on an OS drive with a TPM. :)
 

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System One

  • OS
    64-bit Windows 10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Custom self built
    CPU
    Intel i7-8700K OC'd to 5 GHz
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus XI Formula Z390
    Memory
    16 GB (8GBx2) G.SKILL TridentZ DDR4 3200 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS ROG-STRIX-GTX1080TI-O11G-GAMING
    Sound Card
    Integrated Digital Audio (S/PDIF)
    Monitor(s) Displays
    3 x 27" Asus VE278Q
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080
    Hard Drives
    250GB Samsung 960 EVO M.2,
    256GB OCZ Vector,
    6TB WD Black WD6001FZWX
    8TB WD MyCloudEX2Ultra NAS
    PSU
    OCZ Series Gold OCZZ1000M 1000W
    Case
    Thermaltake Core P3
    Cooling
    Corsair Hydro H115i
    Keyboard
    Logitech wireless K800
    Mouse
    Logitech MX Master
    Internet Speed
    1 Gb/s Download and 35 Mb/s Upload
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Malwarebyte Anti-Malware Premium
    Other Info
    Logitech Z625 speaker system,
    Logitech BRIO 4K Pro webcam,
    HP Color LaserJet Pro MFP M477fdn,
    Linksys EA9500 router,
    Arris SB8200 cable modem,
    APC SMART-UPS RT 1000 XL - SURT1000XLI,
    Lumia 1520 phone