What's new

Bill Gates Explains Why Microsoft Had To Punch Its PC Partners...

adamus

Banned
A kind of business man that always close and direct to his mind set.

Even there's a lot of competition around he still manage to over come the situation and take chances for the future ahead.

Yes it is true that for over 20 years of MS in the business they have achieved as OS but in the other hand today is different from the past few decades.

MS and W8 OS, if you have achieve the 2 leading products (OS & tablet) that are to be release in the coming months you have conquer the economy and the market.
 
Last edited:

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8 Release Preview, 7 Home Premium
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS K53SJ Notebook
    CPU
    CPU @ 2.10GHz
    Motherboard
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2310M Processor
    Memory
    DDR3 1333 MHz SDRAM, 2 x SO-DIMM socket for expansion up to 8 G SDRAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 520M with 1GB DDR3 VRAM
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" 16:9 HD (1366x768) LED Backlight
    Hard Drives
    500GB 5400rpm/7200rpm
    Case
    Aluminum Blue
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    HP 2.4 GHz Wireless Optical Mobile Mouse
    Other Info
    Qualcomm Atheros AR9002WB-1NG Wireless Network Adapter
    Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
    Microsoft Wi-Fi Direct Virtual Adapter
    Bluetooth Device (Personal Area Network)

area 66

Banned
Yes it is true that for over 20 years of MS in the business they have achieved as OS but in the other hand today is different from the past few decades.

20 years ?, I will say more than 30 years All true MS was establish in 1975 they release the MS-DOS in 1981, that was not their first OS, in 1980 they release the Xenix.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8 enterprise x64
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Pc-Quebec / Area 66
    CPU
    i7-3960X Extreme Edition
    Motherboard
    Rampage IV Extreme
    Memory
    Gskill 4x4 GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    4 x HD 7970
    Sound Card
    onboard
    Screen Resolution
    2560*1600
    Hard Drives
    C:\Intel series 520 SSD , 250 GB
    D:\ WD 750 black with Intel 40gb SSD cache Intel RST
    E:\ WD 2TB Black
    PSU
    Corsair AX 1200
    Case
    TT Mozart TX
    Cooling
    Water Cooled
    Keyboard
    Logitech G-15
    Other Info
    Windows 8 VM is install on his own SSD.

adamus

Banned
20 years ?, I will say more than 30 years All true MS was establish in 1975 they release the MS-DOS in 1981, that was not their first OS, in 1980 they release the Xenix.

Sorry for lack of information that is the only thing I know.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8 Release Preview, 7 Home Premium
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS K53SJ Notebook
    CPU
    CPU @ 2.10GHz
    Motherboard
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2310M Processor
    Memory
    DDR3 1333 MHz SDRAM, 2 x SO-DIMM socket for expansion up to 8 G SDRAM
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 520M with 1GB DDR3 VRAM
    Monitor(s) Displays
    15.6" 16:9 HD (1366x768) LED Backlight
    Hard Drives
    500GB 5400rpm/7200rpm
    Case
    Aluminum Blue
    Keyboard
    Built in
    Mouse
    HP 2.4 GHz Wireless Optical Mobile Mouse
    Other Info
    Qualcomm Atheros AR9002WB-1NG Wireless Network Adapter
    Realtek PCIe GBE Family Controller
    Microsoft Wi-Fi Direct Virtual Adapter
    Bluetooth Device (Personal Area Network)

Coke Robot

New Member
Pro User
Gold Member
I watched the Charlie Rose bit a few nights ago and the interview was rather interesting but the part about the Surface and Windows and Microsoft, definitely interesting! That's when it dawned on me that they're furthering their business model to where it kind sounds more like Windows 8, no compromise, best of both worlds. A company can have some verticality to it while being horizontal, a true paradox.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD FX 8320
    Motherboard
    Crosshair V Formula-Z
    Memory
    16 gig DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS R9 270
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014

SIW2

Well-Known Member
Team Member
There you have it.

They are happy to kill the pc.

Pretty obvious why.

Skydrive storage alone will be a nice earner for them.

Not so nice for the users.


I suppose there will be a desktop market for enthusiasts for a while - lappies/netbooks will be the first victims.

How long will it be before it is uneconomic to manufacture even desktops - and software for them.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop

SIW2

Well-Known Member
Team Member
Looks like the Mini ipad is a reality - $200 for a 7inch ipad.

They avoided the lower end till now.

Is that a turning point - will they do a mini macbook ?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    7/8/ubuntu/Linux Deepin
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop

Rickkins

Banned
Good luck with that, Billy boy.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win8.1 Pro, Desktop Mode
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Me
    CPU
    AMD FX-8150
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H
    Memory
    8.00 GB Dual-Channel DDR3 (9-9-9-28)
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon HD 6570
    Sound Card
    Creative X-Fi Titanium
    Monitor(s) Displays
    PX2710MW
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1080@60Hz
    Hard Drives
    1x1TB Western Digital WDC WD1001FALS-00J7B1 ATA Device Caviar Black -

    4 x 2TB Seagate ST32000542A -
    1 x 4TB Seagate External
    Case
    Antec
    Cooling
    Noctua NH-D14
    Keyboard
    Logitech Illuminated Keyboard K740
    Internet Speed
    60meg cable
    Browser
    Cyberfox
    Antivirus
    AVG Security Suite

FSeal

New Member
Member
How the freaking hell is one supposed to do real work on a computer any more?!?!?

Photoshop? Illustrator? Computer artwork? CAD? Music production? Animation? And pretty much anything more technical than dragging pictures around with a touchscreen?

Do we ALL have to move to OSX? (Even though they are also playskooling that OS as well).

It is absolutely delusional to think that you can just abandon that entire sector without consequences. When people don't need windows PCs any more (or can't get them and all switch to Apple or Linux (if that ever gets off the ground)). THEN why would anyone want to use a Windows tablet or phone over an Apple or Linux offering?!?
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7/8

HippsieGypsie

It's Gururrrrrr8!
Well stated, People. I believe M$ will come to their senses, unless they already have, to offer an Ultimate and/or Enterprise version with choice of UI with desktop start menu if one chooses to go that route. They would have to be absolutely insane not to!! After all, it is named Windows 8 and not Metro 8 just like following OSs like XP or Vista were named. That's what I be thinkin'.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1 Pro X64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer T690
    CPU
    Intel Pentium D Dual Core
    Motherboard
    Acer/Intel E946GZ
    Memory
    2GB (max upgrade)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3000 - PCI Express x16
    Sound Card
    Integrated RealTek ALC888 high-definition audio with 7.1 channel audio support
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer AL1917W A LCD
    Screen Resolution
    1440 X 900
    Hard Drives
    350 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.10
    Thumb drives
    PSU
    Standard 250 watt
    Case
    Desktop 7.2" (183mm) W x 17.5" (445mm) L x 14.5"
    Cooling
    Dual case fans + CPU fan
    Keyboard
    Acer Windows PS/2
    Mouse
    Wireless Microsoft Arc
    Internet Speed
    54mbp/s
    Browser
    IE11
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Office Pro 2013 / Nokia Lumia 1520 Windows Phone 8.1DP GDR1

FSeal

New Member
Member
I could see us seriously heading for another user/buisness split ala NT/95 :/

I think it's a really bad idea as it will fragment the application market (Well metro will already do that, it's almost like having two different OSes!)

But frankly... it seems like a serious potential outcome of all this. Windows 9 could be "home" metro only, "Pro", desktop only. The home version would be like the RT version, completely removing the entire desktop and all support for desktop apps. Then hopefully the pro version would be you know.. Windows 7 :D (Well with hardware improvements etc as forward progress in that area dictates)
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7/8

jimbo45

New Member
VIP Member
Guru
C'mon guys

Ms is NOT the evil empire

also Bill Gates via his foundation has given FAR MORE to this planet than 99% of "Failed Bailed out Banks" that almost every govt has bailed out for some reason or another whatever their electorates have said.

I can't understand why there is so much animosity against BILL GATES -- just look at his bio on google.

Steve Jobs that everybody seems to idolize never gave ONE CENT to any charity -- and his personal habits didn't endear him to his co-workers either.

I've worked in the USA and never had a problem finding places to have a shower --but Steve jobs and Water were apparently an "immixible" combination."

Cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 X LG 40 inch TV
    Hard Drives
    SSD's * 3 (Samsung 840 series) 250 GB
    2 X 3 TB sata
    5 X 1 TB sata
    Internet Speed
    0.12 GB/s (120Mb/s)

FSeal

New Member
Member
Where was the animosity against Gates? I agree with everything else you said... But anyone that thinks there is no longer a use for the desktop is by definition "Delusional". If BG falls into that category then... :/

Not sure exactly why he even chimed in on the subject really... Ballmer must have begged him to or something.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 7/8

jimbo45

New Member
VIP Member
Guru
Hi there
smart phones are fine -- but totally no subsitute for a proper computer in a lot of situations.

cheers
jimbo
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Linux Centos 7, W8.1, W7, W2K3 Server W10
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    Monitor(s) Displays
    1 X LG 40 inch TV
    Hard Drives
    SSD's * 3 (Samsung 840 series) 250 GB
    2 X 3 TB sata
    5 X 1 TB sata
    Internet Speed
    0.12 GB/s (120Mb/s)

Coke Robot

New Member
Pro User
Gold Member
C'mon guys

Ms is NOT the evil empire

also Bill Gates via his foundation has given FAR MORE to this planet than 99% of "Failed Bailed out Banks" that almost every govt has bailed out for some reason or another whatever their electorates have said.

I can't understand why there is so much animosity against BILL GATES -- just look at his bio on google.

Steve Jobs that everybody seems to idolize never gave ONE CENT to any charity -- and his personal habits didn't endear him to his co-workers either.

I've worked in the USA and never had a problem finding places to have a shower --but Steve jobs and Water were apparently an "immixible" combination."

Cheers
jimbo

This is true, steve jobs was the like the Second Coming and lead a cult following and was revered as a great person even though he was a spaghetti. The thing against Bill Gates is that he worked a capitalist system and made himself one of the wealthiest people alive, BUT, he uses that money for philanthropic work. He plans on leaving I think ALL his money to charity when he dies and has helped to make great progress in third world countries to prevent disease and malnutrition and that's his only focus these days.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD FX 8320
    Motherboard
    Crosshair V Formula-Z
    Memory
    16 gig DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS R9 270
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014

Coke Robot

New Member
Pro User
Gold Member
I think some need to realize that the Surface itself has a mouse input through its touchpad. The mouse isn't going to be abolished in two years. Touch is something that will take time to perfect, as the GUI needed time to perfect with mouse usage.

Too much freaking out over something that isn't happening methinks...
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    ASUS
    CPU
    AMD FX 8320
    Motherboard
    Crosshair V Formula-Z
    Memory
    16 gig DDR3
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS R9 270
    Screen Resolution
    1440x900
    Hard Drives
    1 TB Seagate Barracuda (starting to hate Seagate)
    x2 3 TB Toshibas
    Windows 8.1 is installed on a SanDisk Ultra Plus 256 GB
    PSU
    OCZ 500 watt
    Case
    A current work in progres as I'll be building the physical case myself. It shall be fantastic.
    Cooling
    Arctic Cooler with 3 heatpipes
    Keyboard
    Logitech K750 wireless solar powered keyboard
    Mouse
    Microsoft Touch Mouse
    Browser
    Internet Explorer 11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender, but I might go back on KIS 2014

chev65

Closed
Delusional is right, Windows 8 isn't even made for a PC, it's for a mobile platform period, so in my book it doesn't even compete with a PC or Windows 7 and it's not about to replace either anytime soon.

Looking at the attendance at this forum I'd say that he's more than delusional, he's completely insane.

The strange thing is that I've seen a bunch of Microsoft ads pushing Windows 7 lately, saying how great Windows 7 is on your PC, like it's something new all over again.

It looks like someone in the advertising department is taking steps to save the company before it goes completely under.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro WMC
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Home built
    CPU
    Q9650 @ 4.05 GHz
    Motherboard
    Gforce 780i SLI FTW
    Memory
    8GB Gskill DDR2 1200Mhz
    Graphics Card(s)
    GTX-480
    Sound Card
    Asus D2 Xonar
    Monitor(s) Displays
    HannsG
    Screen Resolution
    1680x1050
    Hard Drives
    Gskill 120GB SSD
    PSU
    Thermal Take 1000watts
    Case
    Thermal Take Xtreme
    Cooling
    9 fans air cooled
    Keyboard
    G15 logitech
    Mouse
    G9 logitech
    Internet Speed
    50mbps

HippsieGypsie

It's Gururrrrrr8!
C'mon guys

Ms is NOT the evil empire

also Bill Gates via his foundation has given FAR MORE to this planet than 99% of "Failed Bailed out Banks" that almost every govt has bailed out for some reason or another whatever their electorates have said.
I can't understand why there is so much animosity against BILL GATES -- just look at his bio on google.

OK. I did. To quote Wikipedia - Here's a portion:

Gates stepped down as chief executive officer of Microsoft in January 2000. He remained as chairman and created the position of chief software architect. In June 2006, Gates announced that he would be transitioning from full-time work at Microsoft to part-time work, and full-time work at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. He gradually transferred his duties to Ray Ozzie, chief software architect, and Craig Mundie, chief research and strategy officer. Gates' last full-time day at Microsoft was June 27, 2008. He remains at Microsoft as non-executive chairman.
So who is to blame for Metro if one wants to lay blame? Ray and Graig? Ballmer?

Not bad for a college dropout. BTW: I believe Linda Gates was the one that started the Gates Foundation and Bill, like a good husband, he went along. But none the less it is his, ah hum, their moola.

Steve Jobs that everybody seems to idolize never gave ONE CENT to any charity -- and his personal habits didn't endear him to his co-workers either.

Did you mean Steve the Hippie Yippie? I don't think he did much. I mean he had a few good ideas like using Xerox PARC's mouse. Then he left Apple and threw his money at computer graphics division of Lucasfilm, which was spun off as Pixar. ChaChing! Steve Wozniak was the brains behind the machine. I can't remember the fella's name that taught them both how to market it. Overnight sensation in the Valley! I gotta' hand it to Jobs, though. He did return to Apple and brought them back from near bankruptcy with his Yuppie toys: The iMac, iTunes, iPod, iPhone, iPad, iMe, iMe, and the iMe. :p

That leads me to my next subject. Location, location, location. Where have we heard that before? Apple in the Valley and M$ in Seattle (Redmond) is a factor.

All the Yuppie photographers, film editors, artists, and so on all bought Macs. Why? They were better at graphics. And the Valley is close to Hollywood where there's an endless pit of $.

Bill Gates' mother was the one that introduced Bill to some IBM execs in Seattle (At her bridge club none the less) which lead him to the PC for big business. Why big business? Because the PCs are number crunchers.

So after all these years, the twain has met in a dual. Who will win? Stay tuned for the next episode.....
 
Last edited:

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1 Pro X64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer T690
    CPU
    Intel Pentium D Dual Core
    Motherboard
    Acer/Intel E946GZ
    Memory
    2GB (max upgrade)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3000 - PCI Express x16
    Sound Card
    Integrated RealTek ALC888 high-definition audio with 7.1 channel audio support
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer AL1917W A LCD
    Screen Resolution
    1440 X 900
    Hard Drives
    350 GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.10
    Thumb drives
    PSU
    Standard 250 watt
    Case
    Desktop 7.2" (183mm) W x 17.5" (445mm) L x 14.5"
    Cooling
    Dual case fans + CPU fan
    Keyboard
    Acer Windows PS/2
    Mouse
    Wireless Microsoft Arc
    Internet Speed
    54mbp/s
    Browser
    IE11
    Antivirus
    Defender
    Other Info
    Office Pro 2013 / Nokia Lumia 1520 Windows Phone 8.1DP GDR1

mart4494

New Member
Member
MS is no evil empire and Bill Gates was either in the right place at the right time or just a genius. Probably a combination of both.

Steve Jobs picked Apple up after being shown the door and turned it into what it is now. Whatever anyone thinks of MS or Apple they are in their own right two very successful companies.

Whilst you can probably achieve whatever you wanted to do with either a MS based system or an Apple one they have gone in different directions. MS has tended to lean towards the everyday computing scenario whereas Apple have gone up market. Apple is not a must have product unless you want to show it off to your friends. How well they (Apple) continue to do I think the jury is still out on that one especially since Steve Jobs passed on.

The problem MS has is one of direction. It probably knows where it wants to be but isn't really sure how to get there. I hope that their Win8 and phone/tablet combo is a success but it could just be to little to late. They may just be able to get Win8 semi accepted on the desktop/laptop community but personally I doubt it. Talking about the demise of the desktop/laptop reminds me of the 'Linux is almost there' comments. Linux has been 'almost there' for goodness knows how many years but until it is able to run the likes of Adobe software as easily as it runs in a MS/Apple environment then it will always be promises and more promises of just around the corner time.

I hope MS moves out of the bubble and offers a Classic UI for Win8 although I doubt it. It's going to be driven by dreaming of making several millions/billions of $$$'s from downloaded apps and cloud computing subscriptions. I also hope they will release a SP2 for Win7 containing several of the improvements that reportedly exist in Win8. Doubt that one as well as that would automatically remove any incentive to 'upgrade' to Win8.

I will not be upgrading to the Metro UI whilst my Win7 system is going fine. Throwing the toys out of the pram and moving to the fruit company is also a no go for me. It would be cost prohibitive. And Linux, well.....

My few cents worth.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win7 & 8 64bit / Linux Mint 14
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    CPU
    i5 2400
    Motherboard
    Gigabyte
    Memory
    8GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    ATI HD3870
    Sound Card
    On-board
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Asus
    Screen Resolution
    1920x1280
    Hard Drives
    128gb SSD, 500gb SATA
    PSU
    Coolermaster
    Case
    Zalman Z7
    Cooling
    Air
    Keyboard
    Logitech Illuminated wired
    Mouse
    MS Optical wireless
    Antivirus
    Avast

stefalopod

New Member
Member
Too much freaking out over something that isn't happening methinks...

Here Here!

I think the time is about right for a tablet that can work as a desktop. The market has had plenty of time to experiment with a hobbled OS on the ipad (that's what I call playskool), and now consumers can have a tablet that will be perfectly functional for drafting in word, power point, or excel -- heck, the surface even has a keyboard and track pad right there when you want them. I don't think the surface will be most user's primary work machine, but it'll be nice to feel that you can take your tablet on vacation to Hawaii and still knock out a memo if you have to.

That feels like more options to me, no fewer.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    windows 8
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Viliv S10 3G
    CPU
    Atom Z530 (1.6GHz)
    Memory
    1GB DDR2 SDRAM (533MHz)
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel GMA 500
    Sound Card
    Realtek High Definition Audio
    Screen Resolution
    1366/768
    Hard Drives
    SanDisk 64GB SSD
    Internet Speed
    6.41/5.47 MBPS
    Other Info
    WiFi 802.11 b/g
    Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
    Internal 3G (Huawei EM770W:
    HSPA/UMTS 850/900/1900/2100MHz,
    HSUPA: 5.76Mbps (UL) / HSDPA: 7.2Mbps (DL))

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 1)

Top