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ronthai

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#1
Hi,

I would like to know which software is the best recommended here for a FULL backup of the C-drive.(OS+Apps+Settings+Documents+anything on the C-drive)

Does Windows 8.1 recovery option do that or is it better to use an other software program?

I have all setup so any downloads and other stuff is always on a separate partition. Therefore once I am finished setting up my new computer, C-drive will basically never change again (beside updates and such of course).

I estimate that my C-drive will be between 40-50 GB once finished.

I have read that an USB flash drive (64GB 3.0) is not accepted by Windows. Is that true?
If so, that means it will have to be a removable USB drive, which come no smaller then 500GB, but since it is an recovery disk/image, no other files may be saved on it.

Which ever option is best, I need to buy an USB for this recovery setup, so advice is welcome.

Well is guess this should cover it, but any suggestions regarding a perfect and full recovery method are appreciated.

Thanks, Ron
 

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#2
With Macrium Reflect Free you can use a USB drive to make a full system image.

I format mine as NTFS to get 1 big image file instead of a bunch of 4 GB files like if formatted as Fat32.
 

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Rocky

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Can this be done a USB zip drive? How big is the file?
 

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Berton

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Actually a 500GB External USB HDD at about $50USD is about the same price as a 128GB USB Thumb/Flash drive at Amazon, might be close to the same at Wal*Mart, Staples, BestBuy, etc. A 64GB USB Thumb/Flash may run about half that but the capacity may in time not be enough, depending upon how you use your computer.

Also, I think a backup program would be best such as Acronis True Image, Macrium Reflect, etc. There's been a number of posts on forums about backup and what does or doesn't work.
 

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#5
Can this be done a USB zip drive? How big is the file?
My image file is about 20 GBs shrunk from 50 GBs using high compression using a regular USB drive.
I have no idea what a USB zip drive is.
 

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Zip drives [by Iomega] came out several years ago, consider them as Super Floppies. There were 3 sizes, 100MB, 250MB and 750MB, never had the 750MB but still have and occasionally use the 250MB, mostly to recover data clients have on them. The drives were available for Parallel Ports with a pass-through for a printer and as an internal drive using an ATA connection [now called PATA]. The latest versions were USB connected. The 750MB version could read/write the 250MB disk but could only read the 100MB disk.
 

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ronthai

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With Macrium Reflect Free you can use a USB drive to make a full system image.

I format mine as NTFS to get 1 big image file instead of a bunch of 4 GB files like if formatted as Fat32.
Am download the software now

Maybe a stupid question, but will the backup on the USB be acceptable for Windows, when all fails, but the recovery message that comes with W8.1.
I have seen it already unfortunately, yesterday, but only had the standard recovery image that comes on the D-drive with the computer (off the shelf HP)

I saw on the website that Macrium supports GPT, since my HDD seems to be GPT (still don't know what that means), but after my first disaster yesterday (my stupid fault, should have known better), I tried to get in to the computer by installing my old W7 on a partition, but that was not accepted, due to GPT

Edit:
Stupid me, I should ask, if a recovery is needed, I should just use the standard Windows recovery image (as I did yesterday) and then afterwards install Macrium and restore the backup image created. Is that correct?
 
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KYHI

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the standard windows recovery image recovery is just the Factory recovery...

After you install all your software, apps and settings, then use macrium to create a system backup..

If your system fails and you use the factory recovery - you get the factory setup
if you use the macrium image recovery - you get your system the way you set it up..
 

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ronthai

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Well, unless I did something wrong with Macrium (90% of the options I really do not understand, so I just do standard stuff)
The backup which I guess should be a 100% C-drive partition.
Mine is now at about 42GB, Micrium also showed that, but the backup file is only 21GB, maybe compressed, and has an extension ".mrimg".

Well, my best guess is Windows recovery has no idea what to do with a .mrimg file, when the computer is unable to boot.

I am probably doing something wrong.

Lets make this simple for you experts here.

I know I ask stupid questions, because I have almost no real computer skills, besides using software I am used to.

All I want is in some way to back up my WHOLE C-drive.
Because when all fails, I can use it to set all back as it was before (a year, month, week), without having to re-install all software again and all that boring time consuming stuff.

Plain English Please.

Thank you, Ron
 

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ronthai

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Actually a 500GB External USB HDD at about $50USD is about the same price as a 128GB USB Thumb/Flash drive at Amazon, might be close to the same at Wal*Mart, Staples, BestBuy, etc. A 64GB USB Thumb/Flash may run about half that but the capacity may in time not be enough, depending upon how you use your computer.

Also, I think a backup program would be best such as Acronis True Image, Macrium Reflect, etc. There's been a number of posts on forums about backup and what does or doesn't work.
Thanks for the prices, but I do not live in the USA (the world is bigger then that)

Can I make a backup on a flash USB and W8.1 will accept and use it?
That was one of the unknowns, thereby a question.

Talking about prices here in Thailand, see my FLAG,
The cheapest 500GB USB drive I can find would still be around 60-65 USD
The cheapest 64GB flash drive would be about 20-25 USD,

but until now nobody has told me out of experience, if anything would work.
Please guys, I do not want to be rude or anything, but you experts, geeks, out there, help and try to reply in English, so us/me "computer idiots" also understand what you talk about. Isn't that what this forum is for, or is it just for non-English geek talk?

Thank you, Ron

PS. Sorry long day(s) on the computer and bottle of Rum is almost empty.
 

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The backup which I guess should be a 100% C-drive partition.
Mine is now at about 42GB, Micrium also showed that, but the backup file is only 21GB, maybe compressed, and has an extension ".mrimg".

Well, my best guess is Windows recovery has no idea what to do with a .mrimg file, when the computer is unable to boot.
No "ms windows" refresh and reset will not know what to do with the Macrium image - you would need to launch a macrium recovery boot disk
selecting refresh and reset via any "windows" options - will only restore the factory windows..
 

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#12
Well, my best guess is Windows recovery has no idea what to do with a .mrimg file, when the computer is unable to boot.
The cheapest paid version of Macrium has a boot time recovery environment.
Restart & select it to install your image.

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OR he needs to create bootable rescue media - using macrium - in order to restore the marcium image
 

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Helmut

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You do have to learn by doing. Sometimes things cannot be explained in very simple terms, that can take an eternity.
If you want to learn about making an Image of your Hard Drive (which is what you are asking in your first paragraph and in post #9) then look that up as to what that exactly means. I don't suppose people on here want to spend many hours educating people on a plethora of subjects when the information is already there for you to look up yourself using Google or whatever.

Windows 8.1 Hard Drive Image:
Control Panel(All items) > File History > System Image Backup.
That link "System Image Backup" is on the bottom left of the File History page.

You can use alternative Applications like Macrium Reflect free to do the same job, however the Bootable rescue discs/USB keys you may need are rather tricky to make, you have to do additional downloads and copy driver files and so on, so not quite so straightforward, much testing is involved.

Only the Application you used to make the original Image can be used to recover that Image.
The Images made cannot be used by another Application.

N.B. You are confusing the manufacturers Recovery partition which is a different thing, that restores the Laptop/PC to the state when you bought it. Thus loses all the Applications you have installed and your personal files etc.
 

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Windows 8.1 has its own called System Image Backup and it will allegedly do as you wish.
 

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Are you search an ease of use hard drive imaging software ? Recommend EaseUS Todo Backup, which enables you to backup your whole c-drive or partition to an image and restore it .
 

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