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Backing up an entire HD


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#1
Are there any recommended methods for Backing up an entire HD? I want to backup my data. I do not care about the windows file. I just want my work, movies, and music. I have about 600 GB of work, movies, and music so a bit worried about fragmentation if I just copy and paste.
 

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Barman58

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#2
There are two ways to go about this, create a disk image with something like Macrium Reflect which comes in a free version for personal use. A lot of users on our forums are big fans of this software, although the interface can confuse the user until they become familiar

The alternative , Which I personally use, is a traditional style File backup system such as Aomei Backupper I use the Professional version as I may be backing up client data but the Freeware version is perfectly adequate for home use. It has a simple interface and will also create disk images which are often better for system partitions which I would suggest that you consider as it can mean around fifteen minutes to get a system back working rather than the several hours that is usual
 

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    Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
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    AMD FX8350 8 Core @4GHz
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    Asus M5A78L-M USB3
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    32GB [4x8GB] DDR3 1600 MHz
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    Crucial 256GB SSD,
    WDC WD30EZRX-00D8PB0 3TB,
    Toshiba HDWD130 3TB
    Seagate ST2000DM001-1CH1 2TB,

    External (USB3)
    Seagate Backup+ Hub BK SCSI Disk 8TB
    2.5/3.5 Hot Swap Cradle, USB3 + eSata (client HDDs)

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zbook

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#3
A backup image should be the quickest method to back to running again after many failures.

For each method there are strengths and weaknesses.

Macrium is highly recommended in the Forums.

When I had first used this software it failed to make a backup image and posted an error message and code.
The software had found a problem with the EFI partition and the error coded problem solving required a chkdsk /r of the EFI partition.
The hidden partition was labeled and the command was ran.
Then the Macrium backup image worked.
It continued to make additional backups per the default settings.

Recently the drive crashed and the Macrium backup image was unable to used for recovery.
For additional layers of protection I had copied the USERS folder but this was approximately 6 months or more out of date.
All of the important files up to 6 months ago were secure on a storage drive.

The Windows advanced recovery menu on the computer was not accessible.
The Windows 10 iso was initially not able to be used as there was no drive detected.
Over time with multiple troubleshooting steps the drive was detected.
Then running commands in windows RE it was apparent that the operating system was corrupt and could not be repaired.
The Macrium image will record whatever it sees at the time of the image whether good or bad.
So the strength and weakness of the Macrium image is the incremental backups.
It's a strength when the image is fine and the problems occur after the last successful image.
It's a weakness when the image is fine and the problems occur before the final crash. In this case there may be backup images of problems with the operating system, registry, drivers, malware, etc.

So there are various strategies for backup and recovery. They all have strengths and weaknesses.

For Macrium you could make two different backup images.
The first one could be made after a clean install of windows with installation of drivers and applications. Then if there are problems you can always restore this image without files very quickly.

A second Macrium image would be with all of the incremental backups so that the files are up to date.

An additional method is to copy and paste the USERS folder or subfolders within the users folders to another drive. This may take a lot of time but a substantial backup can be done overnight. This could be done every quarter or every month or as frequently as needed.

A the time of a crash you could then have multiple methods for recovery:
a) system restore
b) reset with save files
c) Macrium backup image #1
d) Macrium backup image #2
e) The copy and past of the USERS folder or subfolders
 

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    windows 10 professional Version 10.0.17134 Build 17134
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    HP zbook G2
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    Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4810MQ CPU @ 2.80GHz, 2801 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)
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    HP KBC Version 03.12
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zbook

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#4
This comment was made in our sister forum by NavyLCDR:
You could clone the data partition to the backup hard drive instead of imaging it. After it is cloned the first time, then use a program such as FreeFileSync to just update the backup hard drive replacing only the data files that have changed.

So there are a lot of strategies and you must be aware of the pro and con or strengths and weaknesses of each.
 

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  • OS
    windows 10 professional Version 10.0.17134 Build 17134
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    HP zbook G2
    CPU
    Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-4810MQ CPU @ 2.80GHz, 2801 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 8 Logical Processor(s)
    Motherboard
    HP KBC Version 03.12
    Memory
    32GB
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    NVIDIA Quadro K4100M
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Barman58

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#5
I backup weekly, and prior and post any major rearrangement of the drives

The system drive is an image and the data is a traditional file backup over multiple drives/partitions (no User data is stored on the system drive the User area special folders are held on a data drive). Not sure of the actual size of my data backup but the compressed backup is around 1.7TB and takes around Five Hours to run overnight. The backups, three of each, System and Data, are stored on an eight terabyte External drive, (only active during the backup operation).

I also keep copies of my Media on a NAS drive available to the network devices, The NAS is updated occasionally using a file sync program so does act as a backup to the backup
 

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    Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
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    CPU
    AMD FX8350 8 Core @4GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus M5A78L-M USB3
    Memory
    32GB [4x8GB] DDR3 1600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus nVidia GTX750TI-OC-2GD5 (2GB DDR5)
    Sound Card
    ASUS Xoner DG + SPDIF to 5.1 System + HDMI
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer G276HL 27", (DVi) + Samsung 39" HDTV (HDMI)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 @60Hz + 1920 x 1080 @60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Internal
    Crucial 256GB SSD,
    WDC WD30EZRX-00D8PB0 3TB,
    Toshiba HDWD130 3TB
    Seagate ST2000DM001-1CH1 2TB,

    External (USB3)
    Seagate Backup+ Hub BK SCSI Disk 8TB
    2.5/3.5 Hot Swap Cradle, USB3 + eSata (client HDDs)

    NAS
    Seagate ST4000DM000
    PSU
    Aerocool Templarius Imperator 750W 80+ Silver
    Case
    AeroCool X-Warrior Devil Red Tower
    Cooling
    Stock CPU, Rear 120mm, Front 2x120mm, Side 2x120mm
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wireless K710 & K270
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    Logitech Wireless M710 M185 & M570 Trackball
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    37Mb/s Down - 9.5Mb/s Up
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    Laptop - Quad 8GB - Windows 10 Pro x64
    Netbook - Ubuntu
    2 x Nexus 7 Android tablets
    Samsung 10.2" tablet
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    HTC One Android Smartphone
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#6
There are two ways to go about this, create a disk image with something like Macrium Reflect which comes in a free version for personal use. A lot of users on our forums are big fans of this software, although the interface can confuse the user until they become familiar

The alternative , Which I personally use, is a traditional style File backup system such as Aomei BackupperI use the Professional version as I may be backing up client data but the Freeware version is perfectly adequate for home use. It has a simple interface and will also create disk images which are often better for system partitions which I would suggest that you consider as it can mean around fifteen minutes to get a system back working rather than the several hours that is usual
Can you tell me what is better for picking and choosing files? I do not care about my OS files since they are already corrupted.
 

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Barman58

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#7
Aomei file backup has the simpler interface for file backups - Both can give the same result but I would go this way as it's a familiar way of working for me. You are actually selecting at the folders, rather than files, in the main as this is a lot faster than file level selection.

You can select to backup all files of a set type or group of types, (by Extension Eg. .Docx, JPG, this can apply to just a particular section of the backup or the whole thing), if this is better for your way of working, although I prefer to have the backup include all types except those I choose not to, as I feel this is safer

I work in microsoft's way of using a documents folder, a Pictures folder, Etc but expand this by adding my own file structure under the microsoft defaults and also completely separate files structure which are project/Job based, Aomei handles this without any problems.

To set up a backup job I just click the top level of the folder tree, and the system includes all folders and files beneath, I have the option to exclude certain file types - Things such as .log, .Tmp, Etc across the whole backup, and can of course uncheck any folder that is included in a tree that that are not required to be backed up.

The system is designed to remember this selection so it will always backup the selected data in future. so can take a little time the first time - But this applies to any system other than a Backup everything strategy
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model Number
    Real World Computing
    CPU
    AMD FX8350 8 Core @4GHz
    Motherboard
    Asus M5A78L-M USB3
    Memory
    32GB [4x8GB] DDR3 1600 MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    Asus nVidia GTX750TI-OC-2GD5 (2GB DDR5)
    Sound Card
    ASUS Xoner DG + SPDIF to 5.1 System + HDMI
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Acer G276HL 27", (DVi) + Samsung 39" HDTV (HDMI)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 @60Hz + 1920 x 1080 @60Hz
    Hard Drives
    Internal
    Crucial 256GB SSD,
    WDC WD30EZRX-00D8PB0 3TB,
    Toshiba HDWD130 3TB
    Seagate ST2000DM001-1CH1 2TB,

    External (USB3)
    Seagate Backup+ Hub BK SCSI Disk 8TB
    2.5/3.5 Hot Swap Cradle, USB3 + eSata (client HDDs)

    NAS
    Seagate ST4000DM000
    PSU
    Aerocool Templarius Imperator 750W 80+ Silver
    Case
    AeroCool X-Warrior Devil Red Tower
    Cooling
    Stock CPU, Rear 120mm, Front 2x120mm, Side 2x120mm
    Keyboard
    Logitech Wireless K710 & K270
    Mouse
    Logitech Wireless M710 M185 & M570 Trackball
    Internet Speed
    37Mb/s Down - 9.5Mb/s Up
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    BitDefender Total Security 2017
    Other Info
    Also run...

    Desktop - 6Core 8GB - Windows 10 Enterprise x64,
    Laptop - Quad 8GB - Windows 10 Pro x64
    Netbook - Ubuntu
    2 x Nexus 7 Android tablets
    Samsung 10.2" tablet
    Sony Z3 Android Smartphone
    HTC One Android Smartphone