What's new

Any idea on what is causing slowdowns?

aj84

New Member
Hi all,

I have a bit of a strange one in terms of performance.
The system in question is a Dell Precision M3800 with 16GB ram and 2x SSDs (Crucial CT480M500) and Liteon LCS412M65) -

The timeline is as follows:
1. Start machine from cold boot and it's into windows very quickly and runs as expected...very quick.
2. After a day or so, resuming from sleep, it's usable but a bit stuttery.
3. After a day, resuming from sleep, it's almost unusable

Now I never shutdown, only close the lid - something I've always done and never had issues until I got to this system.
I know the laptop is more than capable spec wise

Looking at task manager- nothing taxing at all when it's slow. Disk/CPU/Network/Memory usage is low.
Right now, I have the slow issue in point 2 - usable but not pleasant.
Opening Task Manager (took 8 seconds instead of the normal 1) :
Cpu: 4% Mem: 29% Disk: 1% and network 1%

I've reformatted and clean installed several times but always come to the same conclusion.

So what am I missing?
I'm not a big installer on software as most my development stuff is in VMs which are obviously not running and this time round, not even on the system nor is VMware.

Only common software between installs are Office 2013, chrome, firefox, brother multifunctional drivers/apps and thats pretty much about it.
Startup apps are low.
Antivirus is Avast Premier

I should also point out that when it gets to between point 2 and 3, chrome for instance just does not load (or takes around 5 minutesbefore it appears).
Firefox gets jittery and even doing something simple like going from one cell to another in excel is a chore.

Anything else I can check/anything you can advise?
Thanks all
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Precision M3800
    CPU
    i7-4702HQ @ 2.20GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 4600/Intel Quadro K1100M
    Screen Resolution
    32200x1800
    Hard Drives
    Crucial CT480M500SSD3
    Liteon LCS-512M6S 2.5 7mm 512GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Avast Premier!

aj84

New Member
Nope no changes made there
Anything in particular you're thinking that could be a cause?

Should note, I am on the latest set of updates and on 8.1 Pro
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Precision M3800
    CPU
    i7-4702HQ @ 2.20GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 4600/Intel Quadro K1100M
    Screen Resolution
    32200x1800
    Hard Drives
    Crucial CT480M500SSD3
    Liteon LCS-512M6S 2.5 7mm 512GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Avast Premier!

topgundcp

Well-Known Member
VIP Member
Guru
I am not a big fan of antivirus and I saw cases that it either slows down your PC or causes BSOD's. Windows Defender is good enough and of course, the best anti virus is yourself. Just watch what you are downloading, open emails etc...

Anti virus is only good if you have its definition database up to date and you know viruses are being created every single minute.

In addtion, Windows search indexing, restore points and other unnecessary processes running in the background.

What I always do is to make a backup image of the OS + installed applications using: Macrium Reflect Free and put it in another drive or an external drive so that if:
  1. PC becomes unbootable
  2. infected by virus/malware
  3. slow down
  4. etc.
Then I just restore from the backup and will be up in no time.

You might want to optimize your PC: http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/37511-optimize-performance-windows-8-a.html

EDIT: In addition, download free version: Malwarebytes Anti-Malware - Protect, Detect & Remove Malware From Your PC and manually scan your PC once a week or so. Free version does not have real time protection so it will not effect the performance of the PC.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    8.1x64PWMC Ubuntu14.04x64 MintMate17x64
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Home Brewed
    CPU
    I7 4970K OC'ed @4.7 GHz
    Motherboard
    MSI-Z97
    Memory
    16 GB G-Skill Trident X @2400MHZ
    Graphics Card(s)
    NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450
    Sound Card
    X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Professional Series
    Monitor(s) Displays
    Dual HP-W2408
    Screen Resolution
    1920X1200
    Hard Drives
    256 GB M2 sm951, (2) 500GB 850EVO, 5TB, 2 TB Seagate
    PSU
    Antec 850W
    Case
    Antec 1200
    Cooling
    Danger Den H20
    Keyboard
    Logitech
    Mouse
    Logitech Performance Mouse MX
    Internet Speed
    35/12mbps
    Browser
    Firefox

Cliff S

Missing my GIF avatars:(
Pro User
Have you been manually trimming your SSD's once in a while or letting windows do it automatically? IO ask because windows "should" do it once every 28 days or so, but I find doing it every 2 days better, plus I use the tool from the SSD software(in my case Samsung Magician) to do it. If you don't trim it often you'll get slow downs because of write amplification.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Update Pro in Hyper-V/Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Cliff's Black & Blue Wonder
    CPU
    Intel Core i9-9900K
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero
    Memory
    32 GB Quad Kit, G.Skill Trident Z RGB Series schwarz, DDR4-3866, 18-19-19-39-2T
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS GeForce RTX 3090 ROG Strix O24G, 24576 MB GDDR6X
    Sound Card
    (1) HD Webcam C270 (2) NVIDIA High Definition Audio (3) Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    BenQ BL2711U(4K) and a hp 27vx(1080p)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz
    Hard Drives
    C: Samsung 960 EVO NVMe M.2 SSD
    E: & O: Libraries & OneDrive-> Samsung 850 EVO 1TB
    D: Hyper-V VM's -> Samsung PM951 Client M.2 512Gb SSD
    G: System Images -> HDD Seagate Barracuda 2TB
    PSU
    Corsair HX1000i High Performance ATX Power Supply 80+ Platinum
    Case
    hanteks Enthoo Pro TG
    Cooling
    Thermaltake Floe Riing RGB TT Premium-Edition 360mm and 3 Corsair blue LED fans
    Keyboard
    Trust GTX THURA
    Mouse
    Trust GTX 148
    Internet Speed
    25+/5+ (+usually faster)
    Browser
    Edge; Chrome; IE11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender of course & Malwarebytes Anti-Exploit as a
    Other Info
    Router: FRITZ!Box 7490
    Sound system: SHARP HT-SBW460 Dolby Atmos Soundbar
    Webcam: Logitech BRIO ULTRA HD PRO WEBCAM 4K webcam with HDR

aj84

New Member
Thanks both
Cliff S: Interesting point - I keep thinking it is indeed the SSDs causing the issue because if CPU was being maxed out, I'd see it hopefully in task manager but more to the point, the fans would be going nuts. This is not the case - nor is memory and even to touch, memory is fairly cool.

I have just checked and indeed they were last run 27 days ago, I have just "optimized" so will check performance in the next hour or so of use.

Topguncdp: Agree although I guess it's a case of can you still be a little not careful no matter how hard you try? I am extremely careful in what I do online and even downloads are tested in a self-enclosed VM with no access to the laptop however I still worry :- )
Happy to uninstall and test if you advise it - defender can be place.
I guess the advantages of Avast over Defender is the outlook plug in which in the current day can get a fair bit of spam/attachments. Again, if you don't recognise - delete option works but it's a nice to have feature.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Precision M3800
    CPU
    i7-4702HQ @ 2.20GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 4600/Intel Quadro K1100M
    Screen Resolution
    32200x1800
    Hard Drives
    Crucial CT480M500SSD3
    Liteon LCS-512M6S 2.5 7mm 512GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Avast Premier!

aj84

New Member
Slight update - I ran the optimize and also uninstalled Avast Premier... "seems" ok so far but time till tell over the next few days
Also disabled hardware acceleration in Chrome which has sped that up
Still does not feel as slick as the spec should be especially when comparing to a much lesser i5 8gb ram PC I use at work which is very snappy and with that one,I run SQL Server on the machine.

I'm still thinking it is SSD. a Blip I noticed yesterday when copying a 20kb pdf file from one folder to another one the same SSD... took about 30 seconds. Seemed to be thinking about it and then got stuck in.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Precision M3800
    CPU
    i7-4702HQ @ 2.20GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 4600/Intel Quadro K1100M
    Screen Resolution
    32200x1800
    Hard Drives
    Crucial CT480M500SSD3
    Liteon LCS-512M6S 2.5 7mm 512GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Avast Premier!

mikeytg

New Member
Pro User
I have noticed this too, I also sleep the computer when not in use. My theory: Sleeping the system when you are not using it results in the system not having any idle time to run maintenance stuff like defrag, file search indexing, etc. I found that if I just leave it running and walk away once in a while it can catch up on all that stuff and not have to run it when the system is in use. Just my take on the problem, but it seems to help for me.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 consumer 64 bit
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Acer Aspire M5 481PT-6644
    CPU
    Intel Core I5
    Memory
    6 GB
    Hard Drives
    Spinning/SSD hybrid 500GB/20GB
    Mouse
    ELAN Trackpad
    Internet Speed
    18mbs/5mbs
    Browser
    Chrome
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender

TairikuOkami

Be nice to all, please?!
Pro User
I'm still thinking it is SSD. a Blip I noticed yesterday when copying a 20kb pdf file from one folder to another one the same SSD... took about 30 seconds. Seemed to be thinking about it and then got stuck in.
I would not blame SSD, I used the have the same problem with a classic HDD.
30 secs just to wait until the tiny file has moved or got deleted after confirmation.

That is the reason, why I have gone crazy about optimizing. As they say, it is not a bug, it is a feature, well Microsoft can keep its advanced maintenance. I have disabled pretty much everything automatic and I prefer to do it myself, not like it is needed to be done daily. Everything runs smoothly, not thanks to MS. :rolleyes:
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Win 8.1.1 Pro x64
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Lenovo E525
    CPU
    AMD A4-3300M @ 2,0GHz
    Memory
    6GB DDR3 1333MHz
    Graphics Card(s)
    AMD Radeon HD 6480G 512MB shared
    Sound Card
    Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Surround 5.1
    Screen Resolution
    1366x768
    Hard Drives
    WD 465GB
    Cooling
    Fusion Tweaker
    Keyboard
    Logitech K360
    Mouse
    Logitech M705
    Internet Speed
    50/50 MBps
    Browser
    Yandex
    Antivirus
    No AV & No Firewall
    Other Info
    Headphones: Sennheiser RS170

aj84

New Member
Thanks TarikuOkami,

Well last night I scanned a 30 page document which was done in segments (per page) of around 100kb each.
On trying to move them one folder to another, it was PAINFUL to say the least.
The first 10 moved instantly, then it got stuck at 49% and took almost 2 minutes before it resumed and just finished the rest in an instant.

Same thing happened when renaming the files ... first few were fine, on the 4th one, it just got stuck in a not responding state. Opening another explorer window and continuing renaming was fine but the old window was still stuck. About 2 minutes later, it kicked it and renamed the 4th file.

Really strange...and all this was happening on the same SSD (ie: I was copying from one my documents folder to another in the my documents folder on the same SSD)
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Pro 64-Bit
    Computer type
    Laptop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Dell Precision M3800
    CPU
    i7-4702HQ @ 2.20GHz
    Memory
    16GB
    Graphics Card(s)
    Intel 4600/Intel Quadro K1100M
    Screen Resolution
    32200x1800
    Hard Drives
    Crucial CT480M500SSD3
    Liteon LCS-512M6S 2.5 7mm 512GB
    Browser
    Firefox
    Antivirus
    Avast Premier!

Cliff S

Missing my GIF avatars:(
Pro User
You could try using Robocopy(I never used it myself, so I don't really know how to do it) it's supposed to be faster and better. It's a built in command line tool. For more information search in your browser. But as a side note there is also a GUI for it to download at Microsoft TechNet
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2006.11.utilityspotlight.aspx. And for examples on using the command line version: Robocopy and a Few Examples - TechNet Articles - United States (English) - TechNet Wiki

Maybe that can speed things up when you have a lot of & large files to copy.
 

My Computer

System One

  • OS
    Windows 8.1 Update Pro in Hyper-V/Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
    Computer type
    PC/Desktop
    System Manufacturer/Model
    Cliff's Black & Blue Wonder
    CPU
    Intel Core i9-9900K
    Motherboard
    ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero
    Memory
    32 GB Quad Kit, G.Skill Trident Z RGB Series schwarz, DDR4-3866, 18-19-19-39-2T
    Graphics Card(s)
    ASUS GeForce RTX 3090 ROG Strix O24G, 24576 MB GDDR6X
    Sound Card
    (1) HD Webcam C270 (2) NVIDIA High Definition Audio (3) Realtek High Definition Audio
    Monitor(s) Displays
    BenQ BL2711U(4K) and a hp 27vx(1080p)
    Screen Resolution
    1920 x 1080 x 32 bits (4294967296 colors) @ 60 Hz
    Hard Drives
    C: Samsung 960 EVO NVMe M.2 SSD
    E: & O: Libraries & OneDrive-> Samsung 850 EVO 1TB
    D: Hyper-V VM's -> Samsung PM951 Client M.2 512Gb SSD
    G: System Images -> HDD Seagate Barracuda 2TB
    PSU
    Corsair HX1000i High Performance ATX Power Supply 80+ Platinum
    Case
    hanteks Enthoo Pro TG
    Cooling
    Thermaltake Floe Riing RGB TT Premium-Edition 360mm and 3 Corsair blue LED fans
    Keyboard
    Trust GTX THURA
    Mouse
    Trust GTX 148
    Internet Speed
    25+/5+ (+usually faster)
    Browser
    Edge; Chrome; IE11
    Antivirus
    Windows Defender of course & Malwarebytes Anti-Exploit as a
    Other Info
    Router: FRITZ!Box 7490
    Sound system: SHARP HT-SBW460 Dolby Atmos Soundbar
    Webcam: Logitech BRIO ULTRA HD PRO WEBCAM 4K webcam with HDR
Top