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A look at the black underbelly of Windows 8.1 'Blue'


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As Windows 8.1 Milestone Preview testers push and prod their way into the dark corners of Windows 8.1 "Blue," they're finding a bunch of things that go bump in the night. From new and likely unwelcome features, to nudges into the Microsoft data tracking sphere, to entire lopped-off pieces of Windows 8, it looks like Microsoft is changing Windows to further its own agenda.
Microsoft Accounts bare its fangs
With Windows 8, you're encouraged to set up every new Windows user with a Microsoft Account -- which is to say, it's easy to set up a new user by employing an email address that's been registered with Microsoft. It's possible to create a new Win8 user without providing a Microsoft Account, but you need to click a few rather obscure links in the setup routine to get around the restriction.
If I were to speculate, I'd say that Microsoft ripped out the Facebook and Flickr parts of Metro Photos and, in a hurry, took out SkyDrive and network folder support. It's inconceivable to me that Microsoft would release a Metro Photos app without copious connections to SkyDrive -- if only to sell more SkyDrive space.
About the same time this observation hit the fan, Microsoft announced, quite unexpectedly, that Facebook would finally build a Metro Facebook app.
I think we're seeing a quid pro quo in action -- Facebook finally agrees to join the Windows Store and, in exchange, Microsoft agrees to drop Facebook integration from Metro Photos. If true, might other Microsoft Metro apps follow suit? And where's the Metro Flickr app?
Times really have changed if Facebook can arm-wrestle Microsoft into submission.
A look at the black underbelly of Windows 8.1 'Blue' | Microsoft windows - InfoWorld
 

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In order to use Windows 8.1 Preview you must sign in to your PC with a Microsoft account. The option to create a local account will be made available at the final release of Windows 8.1.
This one gets a major "wow" from me. I will never ever do such a thing. Not ever.
 

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The option to create a local account is in place now. All you have to do is make sure the PC or laptop isn't connected to the internet during the OS installation and you will be prompted to create a local account. This option isn't available if you are connected, and you will be forced to log in with a Microsoft email account.

Disclaimer: I'm not a Win8 / 8.1 supporter and I have no plans to use this garbage. But the info might be helpful to someone.
 

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It looks like WEI is gone.
Nobody knows for sure -- and Microsoft hasn't commented at all -- but it appears the WEI is dead. Nazmus Khandaker on the McAkins Online blog puts it this way:
Microsoft removed the Experience Index from Windows RT but kept it on the original release of Windows 8 in October of 2012. However with Windows 8.1, Microsoft has decided to kill off the Experience Index completely. I have tested this on several PCs (touch and non-touch). Before upgrading my PCs, I was able to view the Experience Index on Windows 8.0. After upgrading to Windows 8.1, they were no longer present.
One possible reason for its sudden disappearance: The lofty and expensive Microsoft Surface Pro gets a 5.6 on the WEI scale. That would've been a good score three or four years ago on a middle-of-the-road PC. I have an old single-core i3 machine with a Windows 8 WEI of 7.0.
 

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The option to create a local account is in place now. All you have to do is make sure the PC or laptop isn't connected to the internet during the OS installation and you will be prompted to create a local account. This option isn't available if you are connected, and you will be forced to log in with a Microsoft email account.

Disclaimer: I'm not a Win8 / 8.1 supporter and I have no plans to use this garbage. But the info might be helpful to someone.
No, that's not true. All you have to do is enter a bad email address first, then it will give you the option.
 

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The option to create a local account is in place now. All you have to do is make sure the PC or laptop isn't connected to the internet during the OS installation and you will be prompted to create a local account. This option isn't available if you are connected, and you will be forced to log in with a Microsoft email account.

Disclaimer: I'm not a Win8 / 8.1 supporter and I have no plans to use this garbage. But the info might be helpful to someone.
No, that's not true. All you have to do is enter a bad email address first, then it will give you the option.
I did that 3 times and never received the option. I gave up and started the installation again and discovered what I wrote. Its one of those "things that make you go WTF?" moment.
 

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It looks like WEI is gone.
Nobody knows for sure -- and Microsoft hasn't commented at all -- but it appears the WEI is dead. Nazmus Khandaker on the McAkins Online blog puts it this way:
Microsoft removed the Experience Index from Windows RT but kept it on the original release of Windows 8 in October of 2012. However with Windows 8.1, Microsoft has decided to kill off the Experience Index completely. I have tested this on several PCs (touch and non-touch). Before upgrading my PCs, I was able to view the Experience Index on Windows 8.0. After upgrading to Windows 8.1, they were no longer present.
One possible reason for its sudden disappearance: The lofty and expensive Microsoft Surface Pro gets a 5.6 on the WEI scale. That would've been a good score three or four years ago on a middle-of-the-road PC. I have an old single-core i3 machine with a Windows 8 WEI of 7.0.
it was destined to be vanished. because no one would like some wei above of 9.9 or whatever...
 

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I did that 3 times and never received the option. I gave up and started the installation again and discovered what I wrote. Its one of those "things that make you go WTF?" moment.
By bad, I mean not a valid email format.. like just putting asfdasdfdf in there. Not entering something like [email protected]
 

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So not that bad ! Still surviving !

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It looks like WEI is gone.
Nobody knows for sure -- and Microsoft hasn't commented at all -- but it appears the WEI is dead. Nazmus Khandaker on the McAkins Online blog puts it this way:
Microsoft removed the Experience Index from Windows RT but kept it on the original release of Windows 8 in October of 2012. However with Windows 8.1, Microsoft has decided to kill off the Experience Index completely. I have tested this on several PCs (touch and non-touch). Before upgrading my PCs, I was able to view the Experience Index on Windows 8.0. After upgrading to Windows 8.1, they were no longer present.
One possible reason for its sudden disappearance: The lofty and expensive Microsoft Surface Pro gets a 5.6 on the WEI scale. That would've been a good score three or four years ago on a middle-of-the-road PC. I have an old single-core i3 machine with a Windows 8 WEI of 7.0.
it was destined to be vanished. because no one would like some wei above of 9.9 or whatever...
It was very seldom used and was next to meaningless. Agreed
 

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The option to create a local account is in place now. All you have to do is make sure the PC or laptop isn't connected to the internet during the OS installation and you will be prompted to create a local account. This option isn't available if you are connected, and you will be forced to log in with a Microsoft email account.

Disclaimer: I'm not a Win8 / 8.1 supporter and I have no plans to use this garbage. But the info might be helpful to someone.
No, that's not true. All you have to do is enter a bad email address first, then it will give you the option.
Yep!

That worked for me. No problems at all.

As an aside, I did experiment with an install the other day using my MS (Hotmail) account. It worked without any problems. I then attempted to create a local account from within Windows. I was able to do so, and was able to set it as an Admin account. But every second thing you try to do, you must get permission (enter password) from the MS account.

Annoying way beyond words (at least, beyond words I'm allowed to use on here), and totally counter-productive and pointless. It's like a form of UAC, but it is yourself you must seek permission from, not the UAC. And you get stuck with the unwanted and unused Sky-Drive rubbish, whereas when using a local account from the start you never even get to see it if you don't want to. I gave up in disgust, and did the current install using the dodgy email address, and the fault (and I believe it is a fault) went away.

Strangely, if you do a local a/c install, and THEN create/log-in with an MS a/c, the Sky-drive rubbish comes back, but once logged back into the local a/c it goes away. Do it the other way around, and the local a/c is hopelessly 'nobbled', and is WAY more frustrating than UAC ever was, even Vista's UAC and that''s saying something!

Sorry MS, but, whether this is a bug or whether it's intentional, this is a fail, and I do hope it's rectified in the RTM.


Wenda.
 

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It's better to stay with Win 8 than using preview with " Local account" because some features won't function.
 

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It's better to stay with Win 8 than using preview with " Local account" because some features won't function.
Yes, but I really don't feel that vulnerable using a MS account in 8.1. What annoys me is the synchronization option turned on by default.

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It's better to stay with Win 8 than using preview with " Local account" because some features won't function.

The only 'feature' that isn't 'working' on my local a/c installation is Sky-Drive.

And I'm fine with that, because I don't want it, and won't use it.

Everything else works fine, as it did in W8.


Wenda.
 

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I don't use SkyDrive all that much so it's not a big deal to me. I do like having it available when I need to transfer a file to a friend or group of friends and it's too large for an e-mail attachment.

I rather like the automatic synchronization of settings bewteen Windows 8 machines. When I set up my second Windows 8.1 machine it ended up looking just like the first one. Some things, like Windows Store apps, didn't seem to sync up, so maybe it only synchronizes settings like the desktop background and other "look and feel" items. It's not a big deal one way or the other.

I had not noticed the inability to use a local account in 8.1 but that's interesting. I hope they fix that in the final release: they almost have to if they expect any ultimate adoption of Windows 8.1 in the business world.

It's hard to judge the final product on a preview version, but let's hope MS is paying attention and that they're going to fix these issues in the final release. If they don't, they might be scrambling to get "8.2" out there to satisfy a lot of unhappy customers.
 

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It's better to stay with Win 8 than using preview with " Local account" because some features won't function.

The only 'feature' that isn't 'working' on my local a/c installation is Sky-Drive.

And I'm fine with that, because I don't want it, and won't use it.

Everything else works fine, as it did in W8.


Wenda.
Frequent sites and Calendar not working for me.

EDIT: Correction, enabling suggested sites in Internet Options made Frequent sites to work.
 

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I did that 3 times and never received the option. I gave up and started the installation again and discovered what I wrote. Its one of those "things that make you go WTF?" moment.
By bad, I mean not a valid email format.. like just putting asfdasdfdf in there. Not entering something like [email protected]
Ok, I understand; I didn't try it that way. Thanks.
 

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It was very seldom used and was next to meaningless. Agreed

I always found it quite useless. I have a top end Alienware laptop with SSD's, 16gb of fast DDR3 memory, and top end dual graphics cards. My WEI is listed at 6.3, which I find absolutely ridiculous.
 

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I don't think it was great deal of use either. Nevertherless, the reason for it's removal may well be this:

One possible reason for its sudden disappearance: The lofty and expensive Microsoft Surface Pro gets a 5.6 on the WEI scale.
That would have been unwelcome - good reason for MS to get rid of it.

I did notice there was no S3 sleep option - until I installed the nvidia drivers. (Clean install - don't waste your breath posting up it worked for you after in-pace upgrade )

Interestingly that is what happens with Vista - I need to install the nvidia drivers, then run wei - only after that does S3 function.

Win 7 doesn't suffer from that "feature"
 

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you guys and gals need to buy an old dell OptiPlex 745,. everything works great ,on both 7&8 & 8.1 ,never mine those new fangled comps with video card and stuff, danged thing I got nutting to complain about ,

just kidding of course
 

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